Tuesday, January 8, 2019

The Return Of Contrarious Con-servatism: Part One


Here we go again, dear Readers. We students of Modern American Con-servatism have been rewarded with another round of enlightenment that only a con-servative can offer. Return with me to the glories of yester-year, (Or was it yester-week?) as we once again ride the rocky range of Con-servative ideology.

And once again credit is due to Mr. Paine’s blog, whether the representative of Con-servative ideology found a new voice (that just sounds a lot like our old friend,) or whatever the other possibility may be.

The reader must pardon our confusion that has resulted from Mr. Paine and the new voice both posting as “Unknown”. Our new emissary of the far Right “Rex” laughs at the suggestion of any mistaken identity. 

Other mysteries are examined. Who's really playing the "race card"? And what exactly IS the "race card". There seem to be multiple differences of interpretation at stake.

At any rate, someone deemed it important to bring Jefferson’s Guardian and yours truly to heel.

For mercy’s, and brevity’s, sake, I’ll just include my exchanges with “Rex”. Should one have nothing better to do, or have further interest in the commentary, the extended discussion spans into the comment threads of our two blogs.

Let’s see how that went, shall we?

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 The Return Of Contrarious Con-servatism: Part One

Posted as “Unknown”:

Amazing how hard it is for some (most) leftists to simply stick to the facts. Trump’s ban was for people from certain mainly Muslim countries that could not be vetted that they were who they claimed. it was from most of the same nations that Obama also had on a watch list, not that facts matter to you people. Do you lefties care more about political correctness than protecting innocent Americans? Never mind. We already know the answer. I guess little Davey would say IOKIYA-flaming leftist.

As for Jefferson Davis’ Guardian, a Tesla model 3? That is a pretty expensive car. I don’t think the average person under your socialist utopia you seem to want would be able to buy one on these. Perhaps you expect to be one of the elite in the politburo and not be subjected to the same laws as the rest of us comrades? Think how many people you could help with the money saved if you bought a Ford Fiesta instead, after all, that is what you and Dave are all about, right? Helping the little guy with your benevolence? Oh, I forgot… That is government’s job, right?

Rashida is an ass and a raging anti-Semite. You leftists should be very proud! Her ignorance is only surpassed by Ocasio-Cortez. That stupid woman cannot even list the three branches of government. She should stick to cooking advice and dancing. These idiots are indictments of the failure of our education system and popular culture. After reading lots of Davey’s and Jeff Davis’ Guardian’s comments, they seem like they are probably old enough to know better though. I wouldn’t be surprised if they make up two of the hundred votes cast for McGovern.

The funny thing is that these leftist snowflakes think that they have captured the moral high ground. They insist on abortion on demand. Men pissing in public women’s restrooms. Legalized drugs for everyone. (as if their fried brains need any more drugs). Sanctuary cities for even criminal illegal aliens. And of course they call conservative greedy while wanting to tax us more to fund their socialism and entitlement plans. They have hate and disgust towards any truly biblical based morality and sexuality. These idiots insist that we stay out of their bedrooms but want us to pay for any consequences of what happens to them behind closed doors. And little Davey thinks conservatives are the hypocrites! HA!

You know, I voted for Trump and I do regret it. He has done some good things but he has also screwed too many other things up, like his trade war with China and pulling out of Syria. T. did warn me but I chose the lesser of evils. Trump’s rhetoric and truly stupid statements are simply not acceptable for a president. I want someone better than me in that office, not someone that has the demeanor of a leftist radical. It really doesn’t matter though, because even if Trump acted like a statesman and gentleman, you asshats on the left would still savage him. You are mad because he actually has done some good things to swing the country back to its conservative founding and reduced the size of your impotent gods found in the federal government. 

Jeff Davis applauds idiot-girl Cortez for wanting a 70% tax rate because it “will balance the budget”. Bullshit! You leftists won’t cut any spending. On the contrary, you will only spend more as the economy goes back into recession. The only thing you all want to cut is funding for the wall as that might actually keep out future Democrat voters. Tell me, if leftists don’t want any foreign influence in our elections, why do they think it is okay for illegal aliens to come here and vote?

Little Davey says conservatism is a religion as he further trashes real religion which the founders saw as vital to the founding and continuance of America, but fails to see his own hypocrisy as he builds idols to failed socialism and green polices. Who is truly they cult member here, little Davey?

Davey throws tantrums because we deduce what the left is thinking through their stupid actions and then tells us what we think and how we are authoritarians and supporting of evil. Funny. Perhaps him and Jeff Davis have shared a few too many bong hits. Some of their idiocy might be explainable if they truly are higher than the balls on a giraffe.

Hey, JTF, don’t bother with facts regarding Venezuela or anything else with these clowns. They ignore the fact that many leftwing pundits, including the New York Times, once pointed to the “success” of Venezuela’s socialism. Of course they then whine that no facts were presented. Must be the pot haze blocking their view.

Hey Richard Cranium (that’s dick-head for you) Davey! Quit with your race card. It might surprise you to know that there are millions of us conservatives that are people of color. Is that the only play you have left? I guess when you don’t have facts, this is what you resort to, right? Yeah Trump has said some stupid racist shit, but that doesn’t make conservatives racist. I won’t vote for him again, but I sure as hell won’t vote for the 1/1024 Indian princess either in 2020. Here’s a tip, Einstein; just because someone believes in capitalism, morality, and liberty (in other words conservatism) that doesn’t make him a racist. I’ll let you and Cheech get back to your fantasies now.

Rex
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Dave Dubya:

Oh, my.... Looks like Rex got very agitated and angry at me.

“Little Davey”. How cute! Except for my large hands, of course.

"Jefferson Davis' Guardian"? Hookaay, that makes no sense. I really wouldn't consider him one of the "very fine people" with the tiki-torches, though.

"Do you lefties care more about political correctness than protecting innocent Americans? Never mind. We already know the answer."

Ah, how refreshing to hear from an “expert” on my thinking. (Not one of my points was quoted or disproven, but he did confirm they have all the answers.)

"Perhaps you expect to be one of the elite in the politburo and not be subjected to the same laws as the rest of us comrades?"

Hilarious projection on behalf of Putin’s Puppet!  Good one!

”Helping the little guy with your benevolence? Oh, I forgot… That is government’s job, right?” 

Right you are. “Providing for the general welfare” is in the Constitution. But that fact doesn’t count, amirite? Punishing and shaming the poor while denying them healthcare is the “Right’s way”.

Along with Nazis, the Klan and other white supremacists, he hates AOC and Rashida, of course. No facts to support his accusations. Very con-servative. Would he dare to read what I wrote on Con-servatism? Nah, that would take curiosity and interest in what’s outside his cult bubble. Just hate the libs and brown people. That’s enough for his ideology.

”I wouldn’t be surprised if they make up two of the hundred votes cast for McGovern.”

They DO love their crooked Republican liars, don’t they? Why would we have voted for the crooked Republican liar? McGovern was an honorable combat veteran.

Legalized drugs? Say, wouldn’t that be called “liberty”? Or is that just hypocrisy and moral relativism? Someone needs another drink and a cigar.

“..disgust towards any truly biblical based morality and sexuality...”

Does that include “do not leave alive anything that breathes”, owning slaves, and multiple wives? Yes it does.

We’d better listen to our moral superiors.

”Trump’s rhetoric and truly stupid statements are simply not acceptable for a president.” 

Agreed! Damn those nasty libs for not wanting a crude, stupid, cruel, and dishonest man for president. They have no values or sense at all!

But has he been doing “good things to swing the country back to its conservative founding”?

I guess that would make Trump a conservative then. Although rebelling against a monarchy and empire was never considered a “conservative founding”. The conservatives of the time were Royalists. Revolution to establish a democratic representative republic by consent of the governed was, and still is, radical. This is what progressives on the left want today. Real American values.

“...why do they think it is okay for illegal aliens to come here and vote?”

Who thinks that, and who SAYS they think that? Must be the same genius who says I “trash real religion and build idols”. As Saint Ronnie said, “There you go again”.

”...real religion which the founders saw as vital to the founding and continuance of America”

Except for that darn Constitution again, demanding NO religious test for office. But these facts don’t count, amirite?  Politicians, political parties, and a government deciding what constitutes “Real religion” is just what the founders DIDN'T want.

”we deduce what the left is thinking through their stupid actions”

Yeah. It’s a long list, isn’t it? Unions are stupid. Anti-pollution laws are stupid. Unemployment insurance is stupid. Public healthcare is stupid. Public education is stupid. Climate science is stupid. Voting rights are stupid. Consent of the governed is stupid. Stupid Declaration of Independence, amirite? Regulation of commerce is stupid. Taxes are stupid. Providing for the general welfare is stupid. Stupid Constitution, amirite?

Quick, look! Venezuela!! Libs want the US to be Venezuela, ‘cause cons say so!

”Quit with your race card.”

Yeah, how dare that nasty Dave suggest Trump is a racist and the Klan, Nazis, and other white supremacists all LOVE him, and hate liberals.

Shame on me.

“Trump has said some stupid racist shit, but that doesn’t make conservatives racist.” Agreed. But it makes Trump a stupid racist, doesn’t it? Or is that playing the “race card”? Many  conservatives are not racists, but they voted for one. Kudos to the other morally grounded conservatives who didn’t vote for Trump.

If Trump “has the demeanor of a leftist radical”, I would love an example for comparison. His hateful, dishonest, and angry demeanor is certainly that of an authoritarian right wing radical.

”just because someone believes in capitalism, morality, and liberty (in other words conservatism) that doesn’t make him a racist.”

Who said that? Gotta love the big Straw Man. Are we to believe because Trump says stupid racist shit, that doesn’t make him a racist? I guess the same would apply to all white supremacists who say stupid racist shit.

Obviously this person did not read my “Con-servatism 101” post. He probably won’t, because he already knows what I think. 

11 comments:

Rex said...

Cannot stop laughing at you.

I will comment later. More important stuff to do at the moment.

In the meantime, here is a link to chew on and dispute.

https://borderfacts.com/

TB3 said...

Or you could go to the government's own websites to read up on border security. Or you could have. If the President wasn't tantruming.

Majormajor said...

Say liberals! How many more illegals do you want to enter our country before you are happy. We already have 10-12 million, how many more do we need to make America great?

Just the Facts! said...

Do you lefties care more about political correctness than protecting innocent Americans?"
Well, do you? Why are you deflecting? Running away again, looks like it.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Do you lefties care more about political correctness than protecting innocent Americans?" ~~ Just the Facts! (aka Majormajor, Timothy L. Trueblood V, and "Vern")

Place some context with your question, otherwise it's analogous to saying, "Do you rightwingers care more about demonizing professional athletes expressing their constitutional rights than protecting our environment from pollutants, toxins and carcinogens entering our air, waterways, and food sources?

See what I mean?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

LOL

Mr. Paine (aka "Unknown" and lately on this blog, as "Rex" - woof! woof!) shut down the comment section tonight on his blog, Saving Common Sense.

Only "team members" may participate.

Happy days are here again. LOL

Dave Dubya said...

TB3,
Good point, but I don't think it will be noticed, for Rex is a very busy man with important stuff.

JG,
I feel I can safely convey a response on behalf of Just the Major, "No, I don't see what you mean".

Rex is really starting to troll now.

Right off the bat he stormed in and ranted: “Hey Jefferson Davis' Guardian, kiss my ass you pansy snowflake. Your mean girl bullying shit don't bother me. You prove the lack of moral high ground on the left nearly every time you type a comment anywhere.”

How many times have I politely requested that he refer to my post’s content for refutation? He decided to call me a dick-head instead.

Now he dumps an RNC link and scoots off.

Since he has more important stuff, allow me to show a sample of RNC brainwashing.

Here is a lie from that link:

The Democrats would rather risk the safety of hard-working Americans than work with President Trump to secure our nation’s borders. But in 2013, all 54 Senate Democrats, including Chuck Schumer, voted to pass legislation that provided $46 billion to build a physical barrier on the border.

Politifact reports:

A 2013 legislative package proposed $8 billion for border fencing — not $25 billion for a border wall. (And NOT $46 billion to build a physical barrier.)
More importantly, the border fencing Schumer backed in 2013 is different than how Trump has described his border wall.
But characterizing the 2013 legislation as a $25 billion deal to fund a "border wall" runs into factual hurdles.
That proposal, a comprehensive immigration plan Schumer sponsored and voted for, cleared the Senate in 2013. But the Republican-controlled House did not take up that bill after that.

The package included more than $46 billion for border security. The vast majority of that money ($30 billion) was for hiring more U.S. Border Patrol agents along the southern border. Around $8 billion would have gone toward building or repairing 700 miles of fencing (including some double-layer fencing) along the U.S.-Mexico border.


After inviting him to refute my discussion points, he flippantly dismissed any rational discussion.

”After reading your “Conservative 101”, I do know the fallacy of your thinking, Dave.”

My response: “Did you really? Then why won’t you cite my errors and provide evidence? You didn’t even get the title correct.”

It is clear he will only spin this in endless circles of con-servative tactics of accusations, deflection, distraction, distortion, name-calling, and other demeaning rhetoric.

My offer for civil discussion remains extended. However his trolling won’t be allowed any further, unless it is to be used as evidence of authoritarian con-servatism.

Speaking of trolls!

I’m amazed at the incredible coincidence of Just the Facts AND Majormajor visiting with only 12 minutes between their comments.

Like a loyal authoritarian follower and sidekick, he repeated “Rex’s” idiotic question, “Do you lefties care more about political correctness than protecting innocent Americans?”

He demands an answer. NOW! Note how his accusatory non-sense also echoes the RNC link. “The Democrats would rather risk the safety of hard-working Americans than work with President Trump to secure our nation’s borders.”

Apparently forcing TSA, corrections officers, Secret Service, air traffic controllers, the Coast Guard, and other federal safety and law enforcement officers to work without pay has no effect on the safety of Americans.

KanaW said...

“Do you lefties care more about political correctness than protecting innocent Americans?”

The simple answer to that question is "No, we don't."

Dave Dubya said...

KanaW,
Thank you. You are correct, but cons will refuse or ignore that answer. It is their indoctrination and party line to dictate to their cult what we think.

It's a meaningless question anyway, like most of their hateful ignorant rhetoric.

Rex said...

Dave, can you please tell my why Democrats voted for better enforcement and wall construction in the past but refuse to do so now that Trump is president? What has changed, other than who sits in the oval office? If there is truly a relevant fact I am missing, please enlighten me. Otherwise, this smacks of nothing more than petty partisanship on behalf of Schumer, Pelosi, and the Democrats.

Dave Dubya said...

Rex,
I'm happy to answer your politely delivered question. Thank you.

The relevant facts that I see are these:

1. Both the House and Senate voted for a CR that included funding for border security.

2. Trump was about to sign it, then the voices of his far Right base called him a coward.

3. Trump proudly claims the shutdown as his own. Trump is the ONLY one who is refusing to compromise.

Your question was framed upon the correct premise that Dems voted for border security in the past. If "open borders" was their real goal, why would they care to fund security improvements?

As noted in Fact 1, there was border security funding in the bill Trump backed out of, like a coward, cowering to Ann Coulter and Limbaugh.

The fact remains the Dems are not refusing to approve border funding. They ARE refusing $50 billion for Trump's wall. It is an ill-defined and ever-changing demand. He is holding our government hostage to this demand. Real Americans are paying the consequences, not Mexico.

Most Americans agree on not giving Trump that money for his stupid campaign promise for his fantasy wall and BS about Mexico paying for it. Where's the pesos?

In fact, representatives of EVERY district bordering on Mexico don't want Trump to get his $50 billion wall.

One more fact to remember is Schumer offered $25 billion in border security, (Not his wall) in exchange for relenting on DACA. Remember when Trump said, "I love the Dreamers!"?

Trump REFUSED to compromise. Now he blames Democrats. This is that authoritarian personality thing I keep harping about.

I hope you find these facts helpful.

Facts. We liberals and moderates along with journalists, scientists and teachers use them all the time. ;-)

Those on the far Right generally choose their "alternative facts".

This is big problem reflected by the many futile attempts made to communicate and compromise with the Right.

I also believe communication is best accomplished through polite discourse by mutually accepted facts, evidence and definitions of terms.

I can dream, can't I?