Let’s have a “Retro Party” with our
favorite conservative, and former blogger, T. Paine.
Since the last post’s theme is based on
a dialogue answering a Trump supporter’s question, I’ll take the liberty of
showing this ongoing dialogue with our old friend Mr. Paine
at Tom Degan’s blog. Tom’s been taking his time in moderating the comments so I
thought I’d give an express version here.
We have the familiar accusations, commie
cards, victim cards, unilateral definitions, and whataboutisms, of course.
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TP:
This is not about a fair hearing for a supreme court nominee. This is about brazen leftist partisanship stoked by hate and fear in an attempt to derail a highly qualified jurist from being seated on the SCOTUS bench. Nothing more. The presumption of innocence is dead on the left. For that matter, a return to communist tactics of the mere suggestion of impropriety without substantiation is acceptable in order to achieve the desired end results. We have gone far beyond Alinsky tactics and reverted to Stalinist tactics now. You all should be very proud of your part to dismantle our republic. If the Left were to gain unfettered power, it would be less than a decade before the United States more closely resembled Venezuela.
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DD:
“Communist tactics!” “Stalinist!” “Venezuela!”, shrieks the knee-jerk conservative hysteria response, as the LIE DETECTOR graph jumps at the bullshit filled hate.
If Ford's allegations had 1/10th as much evidence in support of them as Kavanaugh does for a leftist cabal against him, then I dare say even Republican senators would be removing there support for him.
Right, she passed a lie detector. We can just trust the Republican operative.
How about a lie detector for Mr. Sniffles and his drinking buddy? Not fair! amirite?
And how about that “fair” FBI investigation that was supposed to go for a pitiful week, yet the LIARS cut it down to three days? A so-called “investigation” that refused to question the people present and witnesses of Sniffles Kavanaugh’s blind drunk behavior?
I would imagine Mr. Paine’s daughter would get more sympathy if she was assaulted, and trembled in fear of death threats, to tell her story. Mr Paine will believe any slimy Republican over any woman, even though she passed a lie detector! It is con-servatism. He’s not enraged about the death threats, though, because only liberals are evil.
No... I don't see any reason why Judge Kavanaugh wouldn't think that there was a grand leftist "resist" conspiracy against him.
“Not fair!” whines the outraged snowflake con-servative, while Merrick Garland was treated so respectfully by the “constitutional” Republicans, amirite? The evil drips from their hateful hypocrisy.
The "Renate Alumnius" treats all women "with respect". Another LIE.
"But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out… Passed out would be—no, but I've gone to sleep, but—but I've never blacked out." Self-righteous Mr. Sniffles whines.
The "blatant lying" and "lying under oath" inspired two of his Yale classmates to dispute his account in separate CNN interviews. Brookes described him as "stumbling drunk" and said, "I can almost guarantee that he doesn't remember that night." Swisher countered that "there's no problem with drinking beer in college; the problem is lying about it," and that "I don't think many of his answers were credible."
The FBI “investigation” didn’t want to hear from them. I wonder why? And why can’t we see the directive? Not our business, I suppose. Only evil liberals want transparency.
Mr. Paine even repeated a LIE Angry Mr. Sniffles Kavanaugh uttered while under oath, declaring everyone at the party "refuted" Dr. Ford's allegation. HE LIED UNDER OATH!!! Where is that "constitutional"? The only ones refuting the claim were Kavanaugh and his toady lush drinking buddy.
THEY are who we should trust, NOT the woman who was threatened and passed a lie detector test. Why? IOKIYAR. They are all sickening amoral authoritarian hypocrites and liars.
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TP:
“Right, she passed a lie detector. We can just trust the Republican operative.” ~ Dubya
Yep, that is what she claimed. I even believed that she was likely assaulted at one time and may even sincerely believe that Kavanaugh was guilty of that crime; however, in her quest to bring forth the truth to the senate judiciary committee during the Kavanaugh hearings, she didn’t want to release the actual lie detector test or her therapist notes to the senators. That is when my benefit of the doubt regarding her story began to get stretched. And yes, her story was not corroborated and was also REFUTED by even her one friend whom she claimed was with her at the party. She said she was NEVER at any such party and did not even know Kavanaugh. I know that words mean different things to some leftists though. What does “refute” mean to you, Mr. Dubya?
Oh, and by the way, there were death threats made to Ford AND Kavanaugh, so you also can put away your newly found sense of morality, sir. Did you and J.G. get a buy-one-get-one free sense of morality? Like I said, I am glad that you all are on the right track. The fact that this is new to you gives you a little leeway in my book. You first need to have actual evidence before making such an allegation if you wish to hold on to your new-found morality though.
“Mr. Paine is outraged liberals spent money to keep angry Mr. Sniffles, the man of even temperament, off the Supreme Court.” ~ Dubya
Yep. The right wouldn’t have needed to spend millions in response if the left would simply have let the hearings proceed. Instead, Feinstein-supported harpies invaded and disrupted the proceedings with press passes that she and her “Democrat” allies signed for them. It is interesting that the Democrats time and again have to rely on paid protesters to do their dirty work. Cowards.
Next, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you forgot my stance on Judge Garland. I did not care for him, but I thought that McConnell was dead wrong in not allowing a hearing and vote to proceed on his nomination. Although he didn’t always follow the Constitution, Obama was well within his rights on this one and the Republicans were wrong in not following their constitutional duties.
Then, of course, Mr. Dubya follows the leftist playbook precisely after that. The Democrats couldn’t make an unsubstantiated allegation of sexual assault stick to Kavanaugh, so then they changed the tune to his temperament and his drinking. Good lord. Throw it all up against the wall and see if anything sticks in your desperation. As I said, I cared enough about your opinion way back to get pissed just with your allegations of racism towards me; I can definitely understand Kavanaugh’s temperament towards the game-playing Democrats of smearing him with such thin accusations of sexual assault. I think he showed remarkable restraint towards Feinstein, Durbin, and the rest of the romper room crowd there accordingly.
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DD:
Mr. Paine now spews the hypocritical party line: “I even believed that she was likely assaulted at one time and may even sincerely believe that Kavanaugh was guilty”
In other words, she is either a liar or a victim of false memory of assault. “100% certain” is how she put it. But conservatives are 200% certain only THEY know she’s wrong.
Like a typical authoritarian Trump supporter, he trusts Trump and doesn’t believe a woman who passed a lie detector. The woman lied, but NOT TRUMP and Mr. Sniffles. Nosiree. But “Character matters”. Right. Like “Law and order” matters more than justice.
Mr. Paine hides behind ignorance, or an arrogantly assumed authority, to define words again.
Refute: prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
"these claims have not been convincingly refuted"
synonyms: disprove, prove wrong, prove false, debunk, discredit, invalidate;
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prove that (someone) is wrong. deny or contradict (a statement or accusation).
Mr. Paine, Mr. Sniffles, Trump, and their cult are the ones who refute Dr. Ford, as in “deny or contradict”.
The woman said she BELIEVED Dr. Ford. Not remembering the specific gathering, uneventful from her experience, is NOT refuting. Only in the twisted cult mentality of the radical Right can that be called “refute”.
In fact they are LIARS!
This is a LIE from a sex offender Mr. Paine regurgitates. I don’t see any liberals, let alone an entire party, out there repeating Clinton’s lies. IOKIYAR.
The difference being, she gets death threats after she PASSED a lie detector! Mr. Paine and his fellow authoritarians will dismiss, discredit, demean, and deny it. Ideology over truth. Power over justice. This is con-servatism. It is putrid.
As I noted all this far Right hate has been ramped up for decades by FOX(R) and Limbaugh. They embrace that hate so deeply they accuse liberals of being evil commies and call the press the enemy of the people.
Damn that blind hate and closed minded cult. Loyalty to a cult is not a virtue. They are captives of evil and don’t know it. They act as if they believe a conservative ideology is virtue itself.
They are enemies of truth and democracy, and consent of the governed, because those are liberal values.
“the Democrats time and again have to rely on paid protesters to do their dirty work. Cowards.” MORE Trumpism. Pure ignorance and hate.
What a hypocrite. As if FOX(R) didn’t openly financially support the damn racist Tea Party protests against the Black President, AND shill for the racist Trump.
Mr. Paine admits the Republicans were wrong about Garland. No outrage, mind you. Instead Trump mocked Dr. Ford’s painful testimony and Mr. Paine still takes Trump’s side. Dr. Ford is the “liar” who passed the lie detector, and the Democrats are the real enemy.
I think he showed remarkable restraint towards Feinstein, Durbin, and the rest of the romper room crowd there accordingly.
Of course he’d think so. He gets to redefine words. Can he show us a Democratic appointee who behaved that way? No. Angry Mr. Sniffles is a privileged, elite, white brat, among an entire party of them.
This is why reasonable discussion and debate is impossible with this arrogant evil cult of self righteous greed, division, and hate.
And they insist they alone have “values”. Yeah, we know what those value$ are. We know just how Christian and honest they are. They think they can fool everybody.
Then they get mad when their hate and lies are called out.
This is con-servatism.
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TP:
Mr. Dubya, I do not know with 100% certainty that Kavanaugh is not lying any more than you know with 100% certainty that Ford is not lying. That said, "old fashioned Americans" like yourself should understand the concept of "presumption of innocence" until proven guilty. This USED to be the cornerstone of our justice system before the left's turn to automatic convictions of anyone ever accused of any infraction if they are right of center politically. (Anyone associated with Trump should be given life sentences or worse, I suppose, right? After all, we are all lumped in that same basket of deplorables in Idiot Nation.)
This presumption of innocence SHOULD hold true especially when there is no supporting evidence of the allegations. This includes Ford's inadmissible lie detector test you keep mentioning. There is a reason these tests are not admissible in court. They can be beaten and are not definitive proof of honesty. I dare say that someone trained in psychiatry might even know the mechanisms with which to defeat such tests.
Of course we won't likely ever know this because Dr. Ford has refused to provide the actual transcript and results of those tests, along with her therapist notes to the senate in her quest to bring the "truth to light". THAT was my point that you obviously or perhaps intentionally missed. If she is only wanting to tell the truth, why does she refuse to share the results and transcripts of her lie detector test? Is she hiding something? THAT is when I started questioning the entire veracity of her story.
Like the Antifa fascist you have evidently become, you lump this all in with Trump. Anyone that disagrees with Dave Dubya is an authoritarian, right? You are as bad as these paid hipster protesters. In fact you are worse. They are often times ignorant of history, facts, and truth and don't know any better. You should know better and yet want to attach yourself to their "enlightened" form of hate in the snowflake brigades.
Refute Synonyms: disprove, prove wrong, prove false, debunk, discredit, invalidate; More
prove that (someone) is wrong. deny or contradict (a statement or accusation).
Ford's friend, Ms. Keyser said through her attorney, "Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford."
That seems to contradict, deny, and even discredit Ford's allegation, wouldn't you say? Go ahead and re-define the word again, sir. One would think that Keyser might remember a distraught Ford that was supposedly almost raped running out of the house in fear. It would seem reasonable that a friend would ask what had caused such a reaction in Ford. Instead Ford claims she never told anybody about the event until years later about this party where all named witnesses say that they have no memory of the party or events.
Ford cannot say where, when, or whose house it even was. She doesn't know how she got there or how she got home. But she is "100% certain" that it was Kavanaugh that assaulted her and she has the lie detector test she refuses to share that "proves" this.
The bottom line is that Kavanaugh was successfully seated on the SCOTUS bench and this is what truly outrages Mr. Dubya and his ilk. They are mad because they think this further empowers Trump as he and the senate carried out their constitutional duties in seating Kavanaugh. What it is truly about is that they are mad that the constitution was followed and once again limited their hatred fascist power as they attempt to dismantle America and remake it in some leftist totalitarian utopia where they can properly "re-educate" or "take care" of us "hateful" right wingers that failed to drink the Marxist Kool aid.
You are great at calling others hateful and liars and you do so with such vehemence, Mr. Dubya. Perhaps it is seeing these traits within yourself and loathing them so much that cause so much heat in your "debate" on these topics. I feel sorry for you, sir.
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DD:
And here we go:
What it is truly about is that they are mad that the constitution was followed and once again limited their hatred fascist power as they attempt to dismantle America and remake it in some leftist totalitarian utopia where they can properly "re-educate" or "take care" of us "hateful" right wingers that failed to drink the Marxist Kool aid.
Mr. Paine loves not only to spew his white conservative Victim Card and his all-occasion hateful Commie Card, but like a true far Right authoritarian, he needed to play his hypocritical “Mr. Constitution Card”. Why wasn’t he so annoyed when the Republicans denied the Black President his Constitutional duty? (Hint: Nothing partisan or racial to see here.) Why isn’t our own Mr. Constitution concerned with Trump’s violations of the Emoluments Clause? (Hint: Nothing partisan here.)
Turns out “IOKIYAR” is in his personal constitution.
The bottom line is that Kavanaugh was successfully seated on the SCOTUS bench and this is what truly outrages Mr. Dubya and his ilk. They are mad because they think this further empowers Trump as he and the senate carried out their constitutional duties in seating Kavanaugh.
Mr. Constitution is very annoyed with liberals opposing a long time Republican OPERATIVE to the Supreme Court. The same man who has openly suggested the president is immune to the law. Then he decides the woman who passed a lie detector is the real liar, and the beer soaked privileged partisan white guy is telling the truth.
Figures. Does Mr. Constitution really believe that courtroom standards for criminal conviction are identical to a Senate confirmation process?
What is really revealing is the slime he wants to spread on Dr. Ford for not wanting her patient/ therapist confidentiality violated. Issues and information that have nothing to do with the case at hand should not be forced from her. The same is true for the lie detector test. Mr. Constitution may be equally ignorant of that process as well. To establish a pattern, the person has to honestly answer many questions of a personal nature, that also having NOTHING to do with the case at hand.
But slime, he must. What else can we expect from the shrill paranoid lunacy of “Communist tactics!” “Stalinist!” “Venezuela!”?
Mr. Constitution seems very happy with the three day FBI “investigation” under Trump’s direction. “What investigation?”, we still ask. Say wasn’t it suppose to be a week?
Apparently ignoring all the witnesses to Mr. Sniffles’ drunken black outs is the path to the truth. Trump’s “truth”. Mr. Constitution’s “truth”.
That seems to contradict, deny, and even discredit Ford's allegation, wouldn't you say? (Dr. Ford's friend saying she believes her but cannot remember the party)
No. I wouldn't say so, because it does not, by definition, REFUTE Dr. Ford, which was my point.
And back we go to Mr. Paine's superpower of the far Right to unilaterally define terms.
That seems to contradict, deny, and even discredit Ford's allegation, wouldn't you say? "The woman said she BELIEVED Dr. Ford. Not remembering the specific gathering, uneventful from her experience, is NOT refuting." Go ahead and re-define the word again, sir.
I know he misinterprets a lot when he’s angry, but the FACT is I presented definitions, NOT a re-definition. This is an ongoing theme of our discussions, along with the false accusations needed to play the “white victim card”, "commie card", etc.
And how’s THIS for re-defining?
Like the Antifa fascist you have evidently become
Another one, folks! "Antifa fascist". What’s next, I’m part of a “MOB?” I have a feeling Mr. Constitution is more sympathetic with Trump's “very fine people” than with me. After all, he seems to feel included with the deplorables.
Yes, Poor Mr. Paine still has no idea who the term was applied to. So he claims it. LOL!
Mr. Constitution is mystified why democrats are upset at having no power when 3 million more votes were for their candidate. Or when the House or Senate are held by a party that fewer American voters supported. He arrogantly accused them of “failure” at the ballot box.
Imagine his never-ending bile and anger if his party got more votes, as the other one takes power. We can imagine, for he cannot. Their empathy is up there with their wisdom, grasp of facts, and compassion.
All of this proves the Right is opposed to the Constitution when the Black Guy is in office, opposed to democracy, and opposed to the consent of the governed. THE “old fashioned American value”.
All they want is to maintain their conservative white privilege, and for the rich to have more wealth, along with dominant political power. They want the poor to have reduced public safety nets, less healthcare, and inadequate education. They might not admit it outright, but they enthusiastically support polices and politicians that accomplish just that.
And most of all the want others to LOSE, especially those they fear and loathe. Somebody other than the rich have got to pay. Let’s raise the debt, and gut Medicaid and food stamps, so the Kochs and Trump get a tax cut.
Con-servative “value$”.
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