grew up in the Great North Woods and hunted from a young age. I learned early that
some rights are contingent on responsibilities to safety. I own firearms…and
I’m not trembling in my ammo can, fearing Obama’s coming to take them away.
Many gun owners are really afraid of this false and manufactured “threat to
freedom”. It is due to appeals to emotion, reinforced by political propaganda and
very familiar with the gun debate and think I’m with the mainstream public on
this. We don’t need AR15s and AK47s for sport or self defense. Weapons of
modern warfare should have been restricted long ago. Actually they were once, then
Bush let the restrictions expire.
think new sales of weapons of war, as well as their large magazines, could be
banned and not one American would be less free or less safe. We have a Second
Amendment, yet we don’t arm psychotics, or have the right to machine guns,
RPGs, and flame throwers. This is for good reason. It is a reasonable and sane
point that we are all for some kind of gun control. It is a matter of degree.
many, this reasoning doesn’t resonate well with such an emotional issue.
Emotions can affect how we react to events and how we think of things. Reasonable
discussion can be difficult if not impossible when emotions are involved. Extreme Ideologies prey on emotion, and allow only ideologically filtered information.
Both freedom and safety are emotion-charged concepts.
will attempt to appeal to reason and provide an alternative point of view on
some points presented for consideration, and I will also offer appeals to
emotion for perspective.
better incentive for hastening of a
tyrannical police state than a disarmed populace?”
a better incentive for hastening for a police state would be a population of ill-informed
souls conditioned by corporate media to never understand, or even be exposed
to, the words 'Inverted Totalitarianism" and “Neo-liberalism”. They are
engineering the demise of democracy and the entrenchment of unchecked economic political
power. Educate yourself on these terms, and you’ll understand what I’m saying.
previous Republican Administration has proven the government can get away with a war
of aggression, mass surveillance, torture, and indefinite detention without
charges. Let’s also remember that just before the invasion of Iraq 70% of Americans
falsely believed Saddam was an ally of al-Qaeda and involved in 9-11.
Americans believed Saddam had aluminum tubes for a nuclear weapons program, "biological labs", stockpiles of WMDs, and other falsehoods
Corporate media wasn't interested in dissenting voices. Relatively few were allowed. The New York Times and Washington Post, along with CNN and FOX "News" simply parroted the claims of Cheney and other Neocons.
Corporate media programming and manipulation, lack of public interest and involvement, and our easy acceptance of propaganda are how we become intellectually disarmed for tyranny.
German civilians in the 1930s had guns. Seems gun owners had no problem when
they were pro-police.
is a fair claim that Americans are uneducated on our history and Constitution.
would be careful of demeaning others’ “lack of understanding the Second Amendment”. There is no one indisputable “understanding” of the Second
Amendment. Beware the ideologues who tell you otherwise. The founders didn’t
say it was for armed rebellion if your party lost an election. It might just be
about the outdated militias. See what I mean? The same applies to much of the
rest of the Constitution.
were a free society before AR15s. We would still be as free without them. They
do not grant, bestow or assure freedom. The Bill of Rights does.
don’t understand how innocent humans being slaughtered is an acceptable “price
of freedom” for grown men wanting to play soldier or militia. I know a lot of
these guys, and they are misinformed and afraid. And someone profits from
misinforming them and fueling their fear. They respond to appeals to emotions
wrapped in words like freedom, liberty, and patriotism.
too late to undo the harm, and future harm, from military style weapons in
circulation. The bloody epidemic of weapons of war has been unleashed and will
only grow worse if no action is taken. The more weapons of war in society, the
more piles of bodies. See Aurora Colorado, See Newtown. See Orlando. See San Bernardino. See Iraq.
But it's getting better, so we don't need more gun laws, some say.
violence has fallen dramatically since the '90's (Firearm-related homicides
dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011)”
the overall firearm homicide rate is down, largely because the crack epidemic
subsided and the 18-24 year old population bracket has shrunk.
else has changed?
The number of mass killings by semi-automatic rifles has risen.
Like it or not, the NRA has made it easier for terrorists to buy weapons of
Someone profits from this slaughter. (Blatant appeal to emotion.)
taking all of that into consideration, (Firearm homicide rate lower than death by auto, tobacco, alcohol, etc) or please remind me why we need to start
taking away people rights?”
noted, see the right to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theatre. It is not taking
away a right to employ reasonable limits, unless you want the right to shout “Fire”, and to have mortars and artillery. Again, we’re trying to be
Are not the victims and families really the ones who had their rights to life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness taken away? (Blatant appeal to
gun wasn't the problem, it was the fault of a poor vetting system and the
radical ideology of the shooter”
course the shooter was the problem, but, again, shall we ask the victims if the
assault rifle was not a big part of the problem? (Blatant appeal to
“Every time something like this happens people stand on the graves of the
victims and try to capitalize on tragedy and take away freedoms.”
Who really capitalizes? That would be the NRA and the makers and sellers of AR15s. They are the ones who profit
most after these horrible incidents. It can be argued that military style weapons in
abundance make us less free, especially the victims. (Final blatant appeal to
There’s that “More than one understanding” thing again.