Wednesday, February 15, 2017

Wonderful Idea, Isn't It?

General “Putin Pal” Flynn has been exposed. He resigned, not because of what he did, not because the White House didn’t know, but because someone was patriotic enough to inform the public and report the truth.

And truth is the enemy of our authoritarian leadership. The Trumpists are scrambling, not to expose the Russian interference in our election, but to squash anyone exposing their sordid actions.

It's a good thing we have a few patriots in the FBI and intelligence agencies who understand they serve all Americans, not just the Trumpists. They will be targets. Trump fired Acting Attorney General Sally Yates for daring to speak truth to his abuse of power.

Our Dear Leader, Putin’s Puppet, had no problem with his campaign illegally negotiating with Russians. He openly invited Russia to hack against Hillary. It was no joke. “I don’t kid” declared Dear Leader recently.

The Great American Tragedy has become a supreme Russian victory. Putin won the election. Comey won the election. What happens when a dictator and a powerful head of law enforcement collude in the acquisition of political power for a narcissistic authoritarian?

Police states happen.

If not for some patriotic civil servants, the Trumpists would be getting away with more underhanded tactics.

The far Right authoritarians of the GOP,(Most Republicans) are in lock-step loyalty to their Dear Leader. They will follow to the bitter end. Their bunker awaits.

Rand Paul has his priorities. “I just don’t think it’s useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party...Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense.”

Investigations are for Democrats. We get it.

Jason Chaffetz, the chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, understands. He was ready for President Hillary Clinton.

“It’s a target-rich environment. Even before we get to Day One, we’ve got two years’ worth of material already lined up.”.

Why bother to investigate the weasel Flynn’s treachery? Chaffetz said the matter “was taking care of itself”

This is the time for John McCain and any other Republican with a basic sense of human decency, to step up and voice their outrage over this ongoing Great American Tragedy.

Having one wacko "pizzagate" conspiracy nut gone is a good thing. Too bad his former emotionally unstable boss is still a follower of Alex Jones.

But fear not, Dear Leader is a "man of the people". His cabinet of Exxon/Mobile, by Goldman Sachs, and for the Kochs is cranking up to speed. And his racist run Justice Department prepares to target minority voting rights, dissent, and any opponent of Dear Leader.

Comey and Putin have decided on our presidency. Their interference and political manipulations, along with the antiquated electoral college have crushed the will of the people. This is how America will be great, right?

The Klan cheers. Authoritarian con-servatives gloat. Formerly reasonable people say, "Let's give him a chance".

Wonderful idea, isn't it? Yes, let's give Putin, Bannon, and Alex Jones a shot at determining the course of our nation.

How can anybody NOT think that a corrupt cartel of authoritarian liars, white nationalists, Putin toadies, and corporate elites will make America great?

Welcome to Trumpistan.

35 comments:

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Day 28: I wonder, at this early hour, what new revelation awaits the American people today about this asinine and corrupt administration? As I previously mentioned on a former post, we're now a kakistocracy. It's very apparent.

Have we, as a nation, crossed our own Rubicon? Have we strayed -- or more appropriately, purposely ventured -- into uncharted waters?

The dominoes will start falling faster and faster, now, and more furiously. The acceleration will be unmistakable. The question, though, will be to what end? I'm almost certain we don't want to know. It may be more horrifying than we could possibly imagine.

T. Paine said...

This is NOT the way Flynn should have been handled. He lied and broke the law. He has been forced to resign. That is as it should be. Further, he should be punished according to the law.

However, we are crossing into a VERY dangerous situation though when our intelligence agencies and other internal government officials investigate politicians and appointees without probable cause and a warrant. Whether you or I like it or not, Trump was elected legally and validly. If we allow our internal agencies to undermine and indeed go after politicians with whom they disagree, we will undermine the stability and safety of our government. Do you really think that if this persists, when the Democrats are back in power that there will not be members of the government that will illegally leak and investigate their people to unstabilize their administration?

If wrong-doing is done, suspected, or found, it should be dealt with appropriately through the proper legal channels with warrants for probable cause.

The piece of crap Bradley Manning was NOT a patriot for his leaks that got people killed. Leaks to embarrass or impeach government officials are dangerous. They should be directed to the FBI or appropriate authority accordingly.

I know your response will be that they are all corrupt and won't investigate Republicans so the only course of action is to go to the non-biased corporate Left-wing media. Bull crap!

You are instigating anarchy by doing so. Perhaps that is what many folks on the Left truly want though. After all, no functioning government and rule of law is far preferable to having a sinister authoritarian government that they fear in the swamp-fevered dreams.

Once again, our brothers and sisters on the Left are being short-sighted and not realizing the damning ramifications of their dangerous and foolish actions. In other words, it is just another day for them.

Dave Dubya said...

Gee, TP. If I didn't know better, one could imagine you are now blaming and demonizing imaginary "anarchist liberals" for Trump and his corrupt cronies.

If we allow our internal agencies to undermine and indeed go after politicians with whom they disagree, we will undermine the stability and safety of our government.

Yes, Comey let that cat out of the bag, didn't he?

He had NOTHING, yet implied Hillary was going to be incriminated by something in Wiener's email. This was done while Comey KNEW the Trumpists were being investigated for colluding with Russians. How's THAT for partisan?

All a Republican has to do is say, "Email!" and the Right goes into a Pavlovian frenzy.

But thanks for being more angry at liberals than Trump or Flynn.

Priorities.

Majormajor said...

Links DD and JG would never check into because it might upset their current narrative.


Make the Flynn Tape Public
www.nationalreview.com/article/444934/michal-flynn-russia-release-tape-call-russian-ambassador

Surprise: At the End, Obama Administration Gave NSABroad New Powers
reported by NYT
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/

New York Times Accuses, then Exonerates
Trump Aides in Russia Claims
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/14/russia-new-york-times-classified-info-says-trump-aides-spoke-russian-intelligence/

NSA Whistleblower: Agency
‘Absolutely’ Tapping Trump’s Calls'
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/15/exclusive-nsa-whistleblower-agency-absolutely-tapping-trumps-calls/


The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins
observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-mike-flynn-russian-embassy/

Jerry Critter said...

TP, Are you suggesting that we should not investigate the connections between the Trump campaign/administration and Russian intelligence agencies?

T. Paine said...

Jerry, if there is probable cause, then absolutely those suspected should have a warrant issued for the purpose and the proper agency (FBI?) should indeed investigate. I expect the rule of law to reign on this issue, even if it involves Trump himself. Intelligence agencies should NOT be leaking information to the public in order to discredit or undermine individuals that have not been yet convicted of a crime. That undermines domestic and international confidence in the stability of our government and the very rule of law.

Jerry Critter said...

Not all leaks are bad. Leaks of illegal activity (whistleblowers) are sometimes necessary to spur investigations and counter coverup activities.

Dave Dubya said...


JG,

Shame on you for not believing Dear Leader is making America great. SO great, it's un-buh-lievable. He's very smart guy. He said so. It must be true.

Major,

The only fools who believe Breitbart/Bannon are it's cult of con-servative white nationalists.

Here's what to expect from Bannon/Trump Fake News:

"Trump won the popular vote." "Poll says Trump is the best president ever and is making America great again". "All other news sources are dishonest. Trust ONLY Bannon/Trump Fake News. A Million White Nationalists can't be wrong". "Trump to reign in NSA powers".

TP,

That undermines domestic and international confidence in the stability of our government and the very rule of law.

A rational person may suggest shady Trumpist collusion with Russia, Trump's inviting them to hack our election, advocating torture and other war crimes, etc. have already been undermining confidence in the stability of our government and the very rule of law.

Rules are for chumps. Kellyanne knows IOKIYAR. "Buy Ivanka, everybody!"

Yes, I'm surprised Comey is off your radar here. Well, no, not really. IOKIYAR FBI Director.

One wonders how far an investigation would go if agencies gave damning info on the Trump thugs to Crony Comey. After all Comey was working for Trump BEFORE the election.

Sometimes leaks, especially those pertaining to wrongful behavior, are the only way important information gets out. They might be the only way to discover probable cause in the first place.

Secrecy for politicians' dirty deeds is bad, and they should be exposed any way possible. The alternative would be unchecked tyranny.

If the leaks do not endanger the public or military, and would be to the benefit of the country and in the interests of justice, bring them on.


Dave Dubya said...

It's obvious the Republicans are not going to seriously investigate Russian collusion and interference.

However, they will do their utmost to whine and convey outrage about the leaks, over the actual content of the leaks.

We see that tactic here in this thread. "Blame the liberals", and the leakers, is always their fallback.

This is what one party rule looks like.

T. Paine said...

"Not all leaks are bad. Leaks of illegal activity (whistleblowers) are sometimes necessary to spur investigations and counter coverup activities." ~ Jerry

Jerry, I would concur with you on this ONLY if the proper channels had been tried in order to correct or punish the wrong-doing and they had done nothing and there were no other options in which to move forward with this.

Majormajor said...

"The only fools who believe Breitbart/Bannon are it's cult of con-servative white nationalists."

I take that to mean you didn't read the links, just as I said.

Oh well, is the NYT liberal enough for you to at least read to get another point of view another side to an issue?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "The piece of crap Bradley Manning was NOT a patriot for his leaks that got people killed."

Yours is a personal opinion. As far as his leaks getting "people killed", that's purely government propaganda and is unsubstantiated. Whenever the U.S. government is exposed and embarrassed, that's always its stock answer.

One thing Bradley's leaks did expose was the Baghdad airstrikes of July 12, 2007 in which Apache helicopters fired upon and murdered a group of Iraqi men, including some children, and also two war correspondents who worked for Reuters. I guess it was all in a day's work for our U.S. military.

Tell me, is Edward Snowden a "piece of crap" also?


"Leaks to embarrass or impeach government officials are dangerous."

Yes, dangerous to government officials who are corrupt and/or criminal. Embarrassing, too, I would imagine. But isn't that what a free press should be doing?


"They should be directed to the FBI or appropriate authority accordingly."

That must be the optimist in you. In a perfect world, sure, but do you really believe it will always see the light of day and the associated public scrutiny it deserves?

Ya' know, there is a reason that the only industry explicitly mentioned in the Constitution is "the press".

It seems as though you don't care very much for whistle-blowers -- or a free and open press. So much for your self-avowed "originalism" of constitutional interpretation. ;-) Let me remind you of the very first of the specific rights our Founders chose to include in our Constitution.

Amendment 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Anna Van Z said...

The people here alleging that mass media is "liberal" are announcing themselves as clueless. Most media in general, and ALL major media, are owned by six multinational corporations - conservative ones who benefit from and seek access to power.

It's such a favorite talking point though it has become a concretized tenet of wingnuttery. And like other favorite righty memes, it has little relation to reality.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Anne Van Z: "And like other favorite righty memes, it has little relation to reality.

Anna, on every post Mr. Paine refers to the mainstream media as being the "liberal media". I have to correct him each time, citing the very reason you did, but still the concept doesn't stick.

Like most conservatives, Mr. Paine's viewpoint is grossly outdated and only contributes to his "con-sense".

Majormajor said...

'Yes, dangerous to government officials who are corrupt and/or criminal. Embarrassing, too, I would imagine. But isn't that what a free press should be doing? "

I'd say the press has been AWOL for the last 8 years, nice of them to return for duty, LOL.

Father Tyme said...

Do Republicans or Vichy Democrats who think they're somehow holier-than-thou (because WE'RE better than them!) suffer Alzheimers, are they just plain hypocrites or do they all simply choose to select only that which applies to their own views to try to make a point?
I can't figure how someone could mention an AWOL free press of the last 8 years (to try to sound so very Buckleyish) but neglect to remember or choose not to mention the non existent (AWOL?) free press from 2000 to 2008. But that lately seems the "norm" which means they won't and don't refer to the same things that got us to this point under a Bush/Cheney administration which they conveniently refuse to acknowledge did worse.
Worse than fake news is specially chosen select views that some use to try to highlight their point by leaving out facts that would diminish their attempt at rebuttle.

Oh, and Probable Cause? The department in insinuation is authorized to do exactly what they are required by law which is to monitor all calls to foreign agents or persons they suspect of such actions. Kind of a shame they didn't do their job between 2001 and 2003, eh? I wonder why not?

Ya' know, there is a reason that the only industry explicitly mentioned in the Constitution is "the press".

There's also the same reason radio, television, WiFi, Twitter and especially even atomic weapons were never mentioned in the Constitution. But that doesn't mean every citizen is entitiled to that last one regardless of what the NRA thinks.

Let me remind you of the very first of the specific rights our Founders chose to include in our Constitution.
Uh, the Bill of Rights is NOT the Constitution - just an addendum. Possibly you're thinking of Scalia's or now the Right's version of the Constitution?

Maybe James forgot to add them intentionally at the time?

T. Paine said...

Snowden is in a different camp than Manning, from what I know of his whistle-blowing, JG. Had he not eventually sought asylum in Russia, the facts that I know about him would have made me have a favorable opinion of his actions. He brought to light the warrantless monitoring of our citizens in violation of the constitution. He specifically redacted any information that would jeopardize lives when he turned his data over to the media. He WAS trying to right a grievous wrong. Manning was simply trying to burn the house down and should still be in prison, were it not for Obama's seeming forgiveness towards those that despise America.

As for a free and open press, I am absolutely and positively for that. They have a responsibility to report the UNBIASED FACTS to hold our government officials accountable. Instead, too often, they will editorialize and promote their political agendas in what they choose to report and not report, my friend.

I fully support the 1st amendment and the freedom of the press. I simply wish they would do their jobs. Unfortunately, true journalism has long been dead.

You, Dave, and now Anna all decry the fact that most of the media is owned by big corporate entities. That is so. Where you all fall off the reality wagon is that you don't see the intrinsic left-wing bias in a VAST majority of media outlets, regardless of supposed conservative corporate ownership or not.

There are so many double standards and a complete lack of any journalistic objectivity that very few people even bother to get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MS-NBC, NY Times and other big city newspapers any more. And when they do, often times the news reported is rightfully treated with some degree of skepticism. The fact that you good people fail to realize the overwhelming political bias in the voting patterns of most "journalists", editorial boards, and media institutions is a testament to the fact that you all are wilfully ignorant or are so far to the left that these folks appear "conservative" to you. It must simply make sense that 90% of the "enlightened" journalists would of course vote for and support the progressive agenda. Of course, being professionals, they can still be objective in their reporting though, right? (despite ALL evidence to the contrary.) Regardless, your lack of acknowledgement of the left-wing bias in the majority of the mainstream media only serves to illustrate YOUR left-wing bonafide nuttery, my friends.

Dave Dubya said...

Has anyone else noticed, for all the "liberal media" crap they spew, they provide zero evidence to support the claim.

A moderate opinion will appear "liberal" to the Right. An objective piece of news that reports dishonesty from Republicans will be seen as biased.

As for the press endoresements they get zero acknowledgement from Righties.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1957/8/1/are-our-nations-newspapers-biased-pin/
…according to Editor & Publisher's poll of the nation's newspapers, in terms of circulation 80 percent of the papers sold daily editorially backed Eisenhower, 11 percent supported Stevenson and 9 percent were uncommitted; of the weekly papers 75 percent favored Eisenhower, 20 percent Stevenson, with the others undecided.
I also recall when most American newspapers endorsed George W. Bush in 2000.

https://www.gwu.edu/~action/natendorse5.html

Even after the debacle in Iraq Editor&Publisher found that 213 daily newspapers endorsed Kerry and 205 daily newspapers endorsed Bush in 2004.

https://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/cands/natendorse5.html

Some "liberal media", eh?


T. Paine said...

Here is a good start for left-wing media bias. I can probably come up with dozens more if I were to spend the time comprising more examples.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/top-50-examples-liberal-media-bias/

The fact that Hillary accepted donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign nationals and companies with business before the U.S. and State Department, INCLUDING the sell of some U.S. uranium reserves to Russia, and the media either ignores it or downplays it smacks of liberal bias... just like Dave.

If George W. Bush had been so overt with his pay-to-play transactions, Dave would have been rightfully screaming for his impeachment. Thanks to the liberal media and liberal blogs, Bill and Hillary made millions. (That is until she lost her bid for the presidency and those millions of dollars in donations dried up.)

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Father Tyme: "Uh, the Bill of Rights is NOT the Constitution - just an addendum. Possibly you're thinking of Scalia's or now the Right's version of the Constitution?"

"Just" an addendum, huh? I'm not really certain of the point you're attempting to make, but the Bill of Rights is certainly as much a part of the Constitution as any of the Articles -- which I believe is exactly what I alluded: "Let me remind you of the very first of the specific rights our Founders chose to include in our Constitution." (Bold font for emphasis)


"Maybe James forgot to add them intentionally at the time?"

No, he was waiting for a letter from Paris. (He should have used FedEx.)

Dave Dubya said...

TP,
Thank you for the far Right assertions of "liberal media" bias. Even down to the far Right meme of "Obama the Messiah" BS that you faithfully parrot.

"Pay-to-play transactions". This is your religion again. No evidence offered. None needed, it just sounds good. Hillary is also Satan's whore, amirite?

I stand by my assertion that far Right beliefs are religiously held. Like a cult. Never mind the idiots saying "Jesus sent Donald to make America great again". Frickin' nuts.

Let's look at a few bits.

"McVeigh was also part of the mythic “white militias” fear that the media and President Bill Clinton drummed up"

LOL! No such thing as white militias. No sir.

" the Democrat Party is the party from which the KKK was born" Yep, no white con-servatives in the Klan. Nosiree. Thems all demacrats.

"Rather-gate" when Dan Rather was duped by "forged documents that claimed Bush had gone AWOL from his Texas Air National Guard unit back in 1973."

The fact is Bush DIDN"T fulfill his commitments. And Rather was fired. Is THAT how "liberal bias" works? Looks to me like accountability.

Now the "liberal media" will catch hell for accurately fact checking and reporting on the pathological liar in the White House.

James O’Keefe unveiled videos of members of several ACORN officials agreeing to help what they imagined was a pimp trying to get government breaks on his housing costs for his prostitutes,

This edited film of Breitbart propaganda is a lie, pure and simple. Are they now the "state media"?

Abu Graib was an "isolated incident"...Right. Damn the media for reporting facts. Worship the military or STFU, amirite?

Same with the Vietnam War.

"The media fell in love with Occupy Wall Street protests" LOL!

"Whether you think Barack Obama is a natural born citizen or not," WTF??? Millions were conned by the Big Lie.

Here's a good one:

"There are no prominent Republicans that support the idea that Obama isn’t a natural born citizen."

Right. Just just Don the Con and his years of waging the Big Lie. And where did THAT get him? Ach, so, mein Freund!

And the famous debunked "climate-gate" email "scandal". Just don't put any of it in context, amirite?

I could go on...and on....and on...exposing your Breitbart alt-Right propaganda.

Whatever will you tell your children or grandchildren, when they witness the catastrophic consequences of climate change? Besides blaming liberals, of course.

Maybe you'll be gone, but they will wonder why you embraced Republican politics and Big Oil shills over science and evidence. It will be too late by then, of course.

The effects are visible and measurable now. "Sunspots" amirite?

True believers will believe almost anything. Except science and facts. Lies, confirmation bias and propaganda are more comforting I suppose.


Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "Had [Snowden] not eventually sought asylum in Russia, the facts that I know about him would have made me have a favorable opinion of his actions."

If he hadn't sought refuge in Russia, it's quite probable he would be rotting in Guantanamo or some other black site around the world.


"Manning was simply trying to burn the house down and should still be in prison..."

So you're more of the buffet type when it comes to selecting who's worthy of whistle-blowing protections? I already cited the murder of Iraqi men and children, including correspondents, that was a part of the revelations released through WikiLeaks. Apparently that was okay with you.


"...were it not for Obama's seeming forgiveness towards those that despise America."

Oh, you mean the Wall Street banksters who took the U.S. economy down during George W. Bush's reign -- and to this day have never seen even a day in jail? You mean those people who "despise America"? (Please stop jumping around, Mr. Paine, and stick to the topic. ;-)


"[The mainstream media] have a responsibility to report the UNBIASED FACTS to hold our government officials accountable. Instead, too often, they will editorialize and promote their political agendas in what they choose to report and not report, my friend."

You'll get no argument from me about that -- and you never have.


"I fully support the 1st amendment and the freedom of the press. I simply wish they would do their jobs. Unfortunately, true journalism has long been dead."

I agree wholeheartedly with your first two sentences, in addition to your third. Unfortunately, true journalism -- for example, investigative reporting -- will never occur when there's so much money at stake. Newsrooms have become nothing more than profit-centers -- just like these mega-media conglomerations' entertainment holdings, and it wasn't always that way. If a story is deemed to be, or might be, offensive to a revenue-producing sponsor, it's not going to get airtime or ink. It's just not going to happen. The crux of my argument is that like everything else in America today, the profit motive for these five or six media-dominated conglomerates is far more important than telling the American people the truth -- or what we used to call the "news".

TO BE CONTINUED...

Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "Where you all fall off the reality wagon is that you don't see the intrinsic left-wing bias in a VAST majority of media outlets, regardless of supposed conservative corporate ownership or not."

No, I agree I don't -- for the reason(s) I explained above (time-stamped 5:30 PM).


"There are so many double standards and a complete lack of any journalistic objectivity that very few people even bother to get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MS-NBC, NY Times and other big city newspapers any more."

You'll get no argument from me. But, the lack of objectivity has nothing to do with "a left-wing bias", as I've already explained. It is difficult for the American public to ever get both sides of the story. What is happening in the United States today is a real nuanced type of propaganda. It's very sophisticated, true, but propaganda just the same.


"The fact that you good people fail to realize the overwhelming political bias in the voting patterns of most 'journalists', editorial boards, and media institutions is a testament to the fact that you all are wilfully ignorant or are so far to the left that these folks appear 'conservative' to you."

Of course they appear "conservative". They are! (See explanations above -- time-stamped 5:30 PM)


"Of course, being professionals, they can still be objective in their reporting though, right?"

No, they're never going to be objective. They're always going to kowtow to their editors, and their editors and publishers are always going to kowtow to their corporate sponsors. Period. Like it or not, we live in a world dominated by monied interests -- not truth. Please, Mr. Paine, quit thinking and believing the world operates as it did forty or fifty -- or even thirty years ago. It's truly a brave new world, if you catch my drift.


"Regardless, your lack of acknowledgement of the left-wing bias in the majority of the mainstream media only serves to illustrate YOUR left-wing bonafide nuttery, my friends."

I'm disappointed in you, Mr. Paine. Not once did I attempt to defame or attack your personal being. You're starting to sound a lot like Chuck. (Oh, well, my last sentence just negated the one previous. Sorry. ;-)

Dave Dubya said...

This is the free press they are attacking.

First they called the media the "opposition party."

Today it is the "enemy of the American people."

Fascsim demonizes all voices not echoing the Leader.

Breitbart uber Alles, Nicht Wahr?

Majormajor said...

"Has anyone else noticed, for all the "liberal media" crap they spew, they provide zero evidence to support the claim."

It needs to stated that DD has rejected any evidence any Conservative has offered to support their claim, so why bother any more, DD just rejects it.

Dave Dubya said...

That's right, Chuck.

"DD has rejected any evidence any Conservative has offered to support their claim"

The so-called "evidence" was examined and debunked as more far Right propaganda.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, as a courtesy to Mr. Paine, I linked to and examined the article he provided (Western Journalism). I can only assume that he meant to portray a sarcastic sense of humor, since the "reasons" journalism is one huge "liberal bias conspiracy" were laughable at best. In reality, they were insulting to any rational or educated person -- no matter their political persuasion.

More appropriately, the blog title should be called "Yellow Journalism".

More con-sense.

Majormajor said...

Thanks for proving my point DD, the ONLY evidence you accept is that from the same media that Americans don't trust. How ironic is it that that 45 percent of voters trust President Trump more than the media, while 42 percent say the media are more trustworthy.

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck,
The only media you trust is Breitbart/FOX. Your FOX poll also says, "A 55 percent majority also believes that the media should cover the president aggressively.”

The propaganda of the radical Right is provably more false than even mainstream corporate media.

The latter point being the part you can't understand or accept.

While the low-information kooks on the Right whine about the fictional "liberal media", informed people understand there is a corporate/government bias in mainstream media that undermines their trust in them. The New York Times' parroting Dick Cheney is another example why liberals question corporate media.

I try to source information beyond the regurgitation of political hacks, party dogma, and mere opinion, and TP's "evidence" was just that.





Dave Dubya said...

Perhaps someone who “Trusts Trump more than the media” can clear this up for us.

Then:

Letterman: Have you had any dealings with the Russians?

Trump: I've done a lot of business with the Russians. I know the Russians very well

Now:

Trump: “I can tell you, speaking for myself, I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don’t have any deals in Russia... Russia is fake news... I have nothing to do with Russia. I told you, I have no deals there...I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does.”

Jerry Critter said...

Trump is clearly a lying asshole. That is a fact. The only question unanswered is when. He also admits to being stupid when he says, "To the best of my knowledge...". His best is pretty bad.

Majormajor said...

DD I don't have to clear up what a poll says. You just don't get it do you? How about you clearing up the Red Line In The sand Obama drew?

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck,
Fear not, I get "it". And I get you. Maybe more than you get yourself. And I get your propaganda, willful ignorance, demonization, lies and hate.

We know you work for the Republican Party.

'Nuff said.

Majormajor said...

'Nuff said.

Dave "authoritarian" Dubya.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "I get [Chuck's] propaganda, willful ignorance, demonization, lies and hate. We know you work for the Republican Party."

Yes, the Republican Party, the one which will be remembered -- if there are survivors -- as the ruling regime when the nation collapsed into its own footprint.

The free-fall will begin under Donald Trump. That's a certainty.