Friday, February 17, 2017

Dear Leader Is Right

First they called the media the "opposition party", and told them to "keep their mouth shut".

Today it is the "enemy of the American people."

The White House once again festers with fascism, and the tyranny that sees journalism and a free press as threats to their power and message.

The Right has never forgotten or forgiven  journalism, since Watergate took Nixon down.

"Liberal media" is a term invented by the Right. The phrase is in itself the biased opinion of the Right.

Yes, there is "liberal media" like The Nation and Mother Jones. They do not have a corporate bias. They are reality based. This is why Colbert said reality has a "well known liberal bias". Funny 'cause it's true.

There is Con-servative media from talk radio, to FOX, to Murdoch's print empire, and of course Kommisar Bannon's Breitbart, our White House propaganda ministry. They serve as propagandists for the Alt-Right, white nationalists, and Republican Party. They are not reality based.

The mainstream media is corporate owned. It is not liberal. It is corporate, with a corporate agenda and corporate bias. Sometimes they are reality based. Other times they pander to government or corporate interests. They are capitalists, not socialists.

Low information, or indoctrinated, people cannot understand or accept these facts. To that degree the duplicity is a victory for the Right.

Now a fascist tells us media is the "enemy of the American people". Yes, the same corporate media that made the asshole into a celebrity.


Ironically Dear Leader is right, just not as he sees it.

136 comments:

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "Now [Donald Trump] tells us media is the 'enemy of the American people'. Yes, the same corporate media that made the [fascist] into a celebrity."

Donald Trump is a "taker". Yes, indeed, he sure did like the free airtime that apparently, and ironically, placed him into the White House. But now that same media are seen as adversaries -- enemies. In his own words, he's "in a running war with the media."

The Trump Administration admonishes and rebukes scrutiny and transparency. I already see verses of this seemingly confused and bewildered administration rhyming with the Nixon White House. The glaring light of its birth has been baffling and unsettling.

We had a non-choice last November between nuclear war and civil war. The nation chose the latter -- but its not a foregone conclusion we will not get the former with this "deal maker". These are only the baby-steps of an infantile administration. Just wait until it reaches "adolescence".

Put a padlock on the refrigerator and hide the car keys. We're facing some sorrowful days.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "This is why [Stephen] Colbert said reality has a 'well known liberal bias'. Funny 'cause it's true."

Which segues perfectly with your previous post titled, The Right's War on Truth. It's such a debilitating disease. Fatal if not caught in time.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

"The Trump Administration admonishes and rebukes scrutiny and transparency. I already see verses of this seemingly confused and bewildered administration rhyming with the Nixon White House. The glaring light of its birth has been baffling and unsettling."

Lol with the left wing nut job who thinks WT7 was brought down as stated on his blog as "controlled demolition".

Jerry Zeifman, chief counsel of the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate inquiry fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation.

An interview by a reporter named Dan Calabrese in 2008 wrote an article which quoted Zeifman as saying: “She was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”…

In 1999, nine years before the Calabrese interview, Zeifman told the Scripps-Howard news agency: “If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her.” In a 2008 interview on “The Neal Boortz Show,” Zeifman was asked directly whether he fired her. His answer: “Well, let me put it this way. I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — we no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not recommend her for any further positions.”

Too bad JG your girl Hillary "Stronger Together" Clinton lost.

The DemocRATS are in worse shape than Hiroshima the day after the bomb landed, and they deserve it.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Archie, as usual you're barking up the wrong tree.

Dave Dubya said...

Arch is spamming again.

Dave Dubya said...

Major Chuck is spamming too. What a coincidence.

Dave Dubya said...

Just enforcing the stated guideline, "Repeated, unidentified, and off-topic trolling will be deleted as spam."

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, as I mentioned above, the right's war on truth is such a debilitating disease -- even fatal if not caught in time. It seems that Chuck is the only one "unhinged" who contributes to this blog, and I suspect these are symptoms of the death pangs we're witnessing -- the death and destruction of the paradigm of lies and deception.

Personally, though, I believe Chuck has so much anger because he secretly has a crush on you...and me. ;-) It's killing him, though, because he can't act upon those urges without rendering the scorn of Paul. It's apparently quite a dichotomy for him and it's eating him up. :-)

Paul, you ask??? Yes, of course!...Paul of the New Testament! The Donald Trump of his time. The slick snake oil salesman who invented a new religion by illegitimately appropriating a Jewish rabbi by the name of Jesus. Yes, that one! Paul made promises. Trump has made promises. Did Paul...and will Trump, deliver?

For Paul, it's doubtful. We'll never know in this incarnate life, but I'm betting mine that he was a bullshitter -- just like Trump.

For Trump, however, the answer is unequivocally no. He'll never be able to deliver on his bullshit. He'll bankrupt the country and destroy what's left of the rights not already subverted by the Patriot Act. He's the one who's destined to shut it all down.

You and I, and millions of other Americans -- most, really -- are destined to not let it happen. The "line in the sand" has been drawn -- but it wasn't by Obama. The American people are creating that line, every day, in protests and through other resistance all around the country -- in cities, in airports, on universities. The sleeping giant is awakening.

Beware Donald Trump. You're going to be -- layer by layer -- exposed for the bullshitting snake oil salesman that you are.

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
Kim Jong Don the Con will fall. He is already the worst president in history. Unfortunately his abetting the fleecing of America will cause long term harm like Bush's war that spawned ISIS and a rigged economy of, by, and for the rich.

Dave Dubya said...

Look at what's happening to America:

"You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible." Fake News from Dear Leader, Kim Jong Don the Con

One of Sweden's official Twitter accounts, controlled by a different citizen each week, reacted with bafflement.

Its current administrator, a school librarian, said: "Nothing has happened here in Sweden. There has not [been] any terrorist attacks here. At all."

A fascist loves a Nuremburg style rally. Dear Leader is not only an American tragedy and insult we will never live down, but a threat to the planet and the life on it.

Our Fuhrer even had a cult zombie who worships his cardboard cut out. This is what they are, fact free babbling buffoons.

But, hey, why not "give him a chance"?

Dave Dubya said...

Trumpists LOVED the so-called “press conference” from the so-called president:
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Anti-Semitic writers praised Trump’s press conference and used his refusal to condemn anti-Semitism as an indication that “everyone is pretty damn sick of Jews.”

Editor Andrew Anglin of the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer wrote that the press conference “was one of the greatest things I’ve ever witnessed in my life. From start to finish, it was simply beautiful. He blasted the media, the Jews, Mexicans, Obama -- all of his/our enemies.”

The Daily Stormer worships Adolf Hitler, posts defenses of the Holocaust, and attacks Jewish people as “kikes.”

Daily Stormer writer Eric Striker also praised Trump in an article headlined “Trump Dismisses ‘Anti-Semitism’ Wolf-Crier, Identifies Fake Hate Crimes as Fake.” He wrote:

I’m going to go out on a limb here and make a Striker prediction: this lice infested ghetto Jew will be getting hardcore press coverage and made into a folk hero for a month straight or more. But on the bright side, Jews will gasp when they realize that A) nobody is listening to their fake news or celebrities anymore, and B) everyone is pretty damn sick of Jews.
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Nazis get a tingle up their legs parroting their Fuhrer's "fake news" attacks, don't they?

I wonder if Chuck has a comment on that?

Or this:

“We need a free press. We must have it. It’s vital. When you look at history, the first thing that dictators do is shut down the press. I’m not saying that President Trump is trying to be a dictator. I’m just saying we need to learn the lessons of history.” – John McCain

I guess Trumpists have to call McCain an "enemy of the people" now:


ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Look at what's happening at Dave's blog:

He's become unhinged just like the NYU professor's foaming at the mouth rant against opposing viewpoints!

The sacred progressive value of Diversity applies to skin color, religion, and sexual preference but does not apply to opposing points of view on Dave's blog! amirite?

Dave Dubya said...

Arch,

Stop whining. I put up a pro-Trump viewpoint that agrees with you. See 11:06. I even included a Republican's view.

You ignored them in order to cry about no "opposing points of view" allowed.

Klan got your tongue?

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Ok Dave,

I will stop whining when you stop whining about Trump winning on Nov 8.

I know it hurts that the polls said Hillary was supposed to win, and he even grabbed a pussy!

Dave Dubya said...

Arch,
Still can't address the topic? Still ignoring the "opposing views", or any views on the topic.

How about McCain's view? Crickets.

And yes, we know criminal sexual assault IOKIYAR.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Dave,

I will see you next weekend.

I look forward to reading your point of view as it makes me laugh out loud and why views like yours has driven the Democrat Party car right off a cliff!

Thanks Obama for wiping out the Democratic Party!

Dave Dubya said...

OK, Arch.

I take that as a refusal to discuss the post topic.

Bye.

Majormajor said...

And what does JG's rant about Paul have to so with your topic?


Both of us know you are reading this.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "And what does JG's rant about Paul have to so with your topic?

Wasn't a "rant", really, only an observation that "fake news" has been used by the powerful and wealthy to control the ignorant and gullible for thousands of years.

I'm not sure which is more hideous -- those purposely conning the masses, or the poor suckers being taken. In the end, I suppose, they're meant for each other.

Majormajor said...

I'll decide what is a rant and what isn't, thank you very much. It was a rant on a blog named Freedom Rants
Too bad Dictator Dave deleted my post, it was after all a rant. Maybe you read it and begged DD remove it?

Dave Dubya said...

I'll decide what is a rant and what isn't

Looks to me someone else wants to be dictator.

He can dictate all he wants. I'M the "Decider". ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "I'M the 'Decider'. ;-)"

Yes you're the journalist and editor of this blog. You decide what gets published -- just as the editors and publishers of the corporate mainstream media do -- and what gets omitted. (By the way, thanks for removing that specific rant we discussed. I found it totally offensive. ;-)

Also, I was LMFAO at Chuck's response..."I'll decide what is a rant and what isn't, thank you very much." It's a phrase I'd expect to hear from a frumpy old biddy not getting her way. ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, I'm still waiting to hear about the terrible tragedy that occurred in Sweden.

Mr. Trump apparently felt Fox News® was a better Intel source than the bloated multi-layered government bureaucracy that the American people pay billions of under-the-table dollars to support.

Do you think he'll cut funding to them?...and, instead, rely on Fox News® exclusively?

Majormajor said...

Can I share with JG what has happened in Sweden or will you remove my post as being off subject Dear Dictator Dave, editor in chief of Fake News?

Majormajor said...

I doubt JG will consider this a tragedy as it's happening to white European people.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqaIgeQXQgI

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-sweden-became-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-immigration/

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/12103667/Suddenly-the-Swedes-are-talking-about-their-refugee-problem.html

www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/

www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/inthefield/2016/04/sweden-backlash-tide-turning-refugees-160408180758209.html

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35549169

Of course if JG and DD hold to their typical liberal response, they will dismiss this as just Corporate News, more right wing propaganda (from the Swedes no less), Republicans worshiping at the foot of manna, lies from the European branch of the KKK, blame GWB, call it racist, or just remove this post as not be relevant to the threads topic.

Remember, this is what JG said "I'm still waiting to hear about the terrible tragedy that occurred in Sweden", is this tragic enough for you JG?

Dave Dubya said...

As we know, Chuck is a sensitive soul. To him, Medicare is a "tragedy".

And as we also know, he doesn't finish reading from his links.

He's kind enough to offer up some far Right opinions, along with, shockingly, Al Jazeera.

Al-Jazeera notes:

Syrians accounted for 51,000 of these asylum seekers, 41,000 came from Afghanistan, 20,000 from Iraq (Thank Bush's wars for the latter two. Sweden should send the bill to Cheney)

Not one terrorist incident. So where's the "tragedy", one may ask.

The primary issue for Sweden is NOT terrorism or crime, but the ability of their social safety nets to accommodate a larger share of their population. A larger percentage than immigrants would make up here.

In other words, they are doing way more than the US for refugees, but the US is the country going nuts. (51,000 Syrians to Sweden alone, 18,000 to US)

So there it is, the reality-based "typical liberal response". No "alternative facts". No "tragedy".


Majormajor said...

DD,

Re-read my post and JGs and you will see, SURPRISE neither of us said the word " terrorist". Guess YOU should start reading my posts, ;-)
Just another example of you putting words into the mouths of others, like hyour off the wall Medicare comment.
Can you say unhinged? Totally.

And the BBC is far right? Wonder if they know that?

As for Al-Jazeera, I included them just to see which source would you quote from, caught you DD, your real colors are showing, again.
Now go back to your love for open borders and hope nothing happens because of the liberal Seattle judge,

Dave Dubya said...

SURPRISE neither of us said the word "terrorist"

Now that's a downright "tragedy", amirite?


Majormajor said...

Off your meds again Dave?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

I'm referring to Trump's remarks, "...when you look at what's happening last night in Sweden -- Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden."

He said this at a campaign-style rally this past Saturday while weekending again in Florida -- referring to Friday night, I suppose (based upon his words, "last night").

So, my question, what happened -- specifically -- on Friday night in Sweden that has caused consternation around the globe?

(Hmm... how many weekends has Trump flown to Florida, at taxpayers' expense, since January 20th? Does anybody know the answer to this?)

Dave Dubya said...

JG,

Trump is a taker of the largest order. He wastes taxpayer dollars just to boost his ego at Nuremburg style rallies. And remember how the Righties whined when Obama played golf? Trump has him beat already on THAT too. IOKIYAR.

Dear Leader can do no wrong as far as his cult is concerned. Looks like they quoted Chuck's soul mate at the rally:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a53275/trump-melbourne-florida-rally/

"America was going down the tubes," said Bill Moro, a raspy-voiced and stubbly 50-something who voted for the first time ever for Trump. "They said our constitution was unconstitutional. That's what Obama said. And Clinton."

"[Trump] needs to drain the swamp of judges, too," he said. "I don't care what he does. I'm behind him 100 percent. Put it this way: If he became a dictator, and they said, 'We want him in forever,' he's my man. He's in. I'll never vote against him ... I love his power ... It's the power that does something to me."


Told you they are a cult. A very fascist cult at that. His dupes show it all the time.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "...hope nothing happens because of the liberal Seattle judge..."

Is this what your alt-right websites are writing?...because your allegation is "fake news".

James Robart was nominated by President George W. Bush to a seat on the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington in 2003. Before, earlier in his career, he was a legislative assistant to Republican U.S. Congressman John Dellenback, who represented Oregon's 4th congressional district from 1967 to 1975.

A liberal? Nice try. As usual, everything you spout is con-sense. (How do you live with yourself?)

Majormajor said...

Liberal Senator Murphy is the person who gave the liberal Seattle judges name to Bush.

I guess you over looked that.

Check what happened in Rinkeby Sweden last night.

The best excuse yet is Daves reason for riots in Sweden, like PM Thatcher said, socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money.
And Dave since you have swerved off the topic of YOUR thread, you naught man, by bringing up golf, how about those lucky people living in the socialist paradise of Venezuela losing an avg of 19 lbs in last year? Must be running out of other people's money.

Both you and JG need to visit HillaryBeatTrump.org

Here's an idea, let's send all future immigrants and refugees to the east side of MI, say around where Dave lives, then he can really be sensitive ;-)

LOL

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "[Trump] wastes taxpayer dollars just to boost his ego at Nuremburg style rallies."

He's been holding Nuremburg style rallies and wasting taxpayer money doing it.


"Told you they are a cult. A very fascist cult at that. His dupes show it all the time."

The quotation you provided from the imbecile hater is very telling. It is indicative of the bottom-of-the-barrel we've reached as a country. The Idiocracy has arrived early.

Chuck reflects the reality of the stereotypical image of "low-information-citizens" brought on by America's cultural and educational decline since the Reagan years. Tom's totally correct -- we live in "Idiot Nation".

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "I guess you over looked that."

Please provide a reference -- if you can. More con-sense?


"Check what happened in Rinkeby Sweden last night."

More fake news from the alt-right.


Dave Dubya said...

Chuck wants to teach us about the Rinkeby "riot" where it was reported, "no one was hurt or even arrested".

Another "Chuckie Tragedy", amirite? I bet the "Bowling Green Massacre" was another "Chuckie Tragedy".

Chuck is showing his ignorance and racism again. SE Michigan has a large Arab population. No terrorism.

Another "Chuckie Tragedy"? Just like Medicare? That's socialism. How can it NOT be a "Chuckie Tragedy"?

Oops, I spilled some coffee. Another "tragedy". Just like Sweden all over again. Time for more Gevalia, anyone?

Oh, the humanity!

Dave Dubya said...

"I'm going to be working for you,” Trump said at a rally last year. “I'm not going to have time to go play golf.”

Obviously IOKIYAR. And EVERYTHING is OK if you are Dear Leader, Kim Jong Don the Con.

How can that man golf when all that "tragedy" is out there waiting for only him to "fix it"?

I bet he has a secret plan for all that too.

Majormajor said...

JG,

Sorry pal, but I'm not going to do your fact checking for you, look it up yourself and let me know what you find I'm wrong. Senator Patty Murray (not Murphy as I in error wrote) brought fwd the Liberal Judge who has opened our borders to those who want to slit YOUR throat.

AP and Reuters are now alt-right, my goodness liberals will do anything to avoid facts.
Like the BBC is "far right"?
You have become unhinged.

Dave,

Do you agree with former President Obama's comment on the Muslim call to prayer?
You are amazing cruel and hard hearted in the way you brush aside without a hint of sensitivity at the
riots, rapes and murders of whites in European areas (including Sweden) committed by refugees from the Middle East.
I could say you don't believe that white lives matter but you would claim that was racist of me, so I won't .
Cheers 😃

Majormajor said...

Simple liberal solutions,

1. spend more money
2. don't do anything
3. ignore the problem
4. put words in others mouths and then demand that be responsible for the words.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0QcrR5dTOo

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "I'm not going to do your fact checking for you, look it up yourself and let me know what you find I'm wrong."

You were wrong -- and admitted it yourself with "not Murphy as I in error wrote".


"Senator Patty Murray (not Murphy as I in error wrote) brought fwd the Liberal Judge who has opened our borders to those who want to slit YOUR throat."

A "liberal" judge? I hardly think so. Of course, you would have found Abraham Lincoln, or even Richard Nixon, "liberal". Wouldn't you have?

Honestly, though, nobody wants to slit my throat -- except, possibly, you. ;-) Besides, I'll take my chances. The probability of dying in an automobile accident (or getting stuck in an elevator) is astronomically greater, but I haven't called for a ban on all foreign-made cars coming into the country (or stopped riding in elevators). More con-sense on your part -- and a severe non-understanding of basic statistics and probability.

Question: Do you ever proofread the con-sense you write? You should.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Here's some more corporate mainstream media news that's hard to fathom. But believe it we must -- about the one who's going to "drain the swamp".

"During his eight years in office, Mr. Obama racked up about $97 million in travel costs. Mr. Trump is on pace to eclipse that by the end of his first year."

and...

"The President returned to Washington from his so-called 'Winter White House' Monday night. He has been there the past three weekends. That’s 11 of his first 33 days in office."

As Dave Dubya already observed, and observed quite keenly, Donald Trump is a taker.

Dave Dubya said...

look it up yourself and let me know what you find I'm wrong.

LOL!!!

JG,

Poor Chuck can't be bothered with looking up information, he's too busy with fake news and Trumpism.

You are amazing cruel and hard hearted in the way you brush aside without a hint of sensitivity at the riots, rapes and murders of whites...you don't believe that white lives matter.

Yes, only a "not racist" would ever say such things, as fellow Trumpists terrorize Jewish Centers and Synagogues across the country.



Majormajor said...

Sure JG, Senator Murray (d) recommended a conservative, and the BBC is right wing.

One of the hallmarks of a stable well rounded adult is the ability to admit when they were wrong and not be destroyed by the fact.
Something neither you or Dave have yet to become.

BTW since President Trump,was sworn in the markets have grow 10%, so much for being a taker.

Now grow up and try to focus on reality.
That a liberal senator gave GWB the name of the judge who turned over President Trump's XO and that Sweden is having riots caused by their open borders.

You guys cant stay on subject, know why? Cause you've got no 🤚

LOL

Dave Dubya said...

You guys cant stay on subject, know why?

(He's still under the delusion he's a dictator, just like Dear Leader Kim Jong Don the Con.)

Now grow up and try to focus on reality.

Which reality would that be? The Bowling Green Massacre? A Constitutional free press as the enemy of the people?

So many to choose from.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Sure JG, Senator Murray (d) recommended a conservative..."

Sure, Chuck, George W. Bush (R) nominated a liberal to a seat on the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington.


"...and the BBC is right wing."

Yes, that's correct.

"For too long, the right has got away with weaving a fairytale of BBC leftwing bias. Until the left starts complaining – and loudly too – the BBC's agenda will be shaped by supporters of government, big business, the free market and western foreign policy. That does not just subvert honest journalism: it undermines our democracy."


"One of the hallmarks of a stable well rounded adult is the ability to admit when they were wrong..."

Okay, I admit...you were wrong.

Majormajor said...

Ivanka Trump’s Perfume Soars to No.1 Bestseller on Amazon Despite Boycotts

Way to go liberals! Helpin capitalism grow every day

;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

That's a hunk of change Trump is stealing from the American people, don't you think? In just one month he has cost the American taxpayer almost $10 million! I thought he said he was going to "drain" the swamp -- not add to it.

It's estimated, if he continues his government-financed trips to Florida at the current pace, he'll exceed the $97 million Obama cost the government for the full eight years he was president -- in just one year!

Wow!

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Cause you've got no 🤚"

You've got hand, though, don't you Chuck?...like when you read Rain's comments on Tom's blog. ;-)

Have you invested in a splash-proof monitor screen yet?

Majormajor said...

10 million wow, that's really upsetting, NOT.

Majormajor said...

Could you two wizards of liberalism tell us who President Trump took the money from and who ended up with the money?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "10 million wow, that's really upsetting, NOT."

In the scheme of things, certainly just a drop in the bucket. But that's not draining the swamp -- only filling it.


"...who President Trump took the money from and who ended up with the money?"

It went from one side of the ledger to the other side. The funds, in effect, turned from an asset into a liability -- from money in 🤚 to money in "the swamp".

I thought that's what you wanted drained...not filled. I can only assume, because a Republican is spending the money, that's okay with you? That's what I take from your reactions. Is my assumption wrong?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

The "Taker" continues to fill the swamp with brackish water. Link to and read Why the Trumps' Travel Expenses Matter.

"But Eric Trump’s trip is different. It’s not just about the cost of the trip, or the partisan hypocrisy at play given his father’s vociferous condemnation of his predecessor using taxpayer money for vacations. It’s not even that the Trumps will likely take international trips on their own fairly frequently compared to previous first children. The problem is that the $97,830 charge was for all intents and purposes a business expense, one of what will likely be many instances of the federal government paying to effectively subsidize the Trump Organization. Not only that, it’s yet another reminder of the president’s refusal to divest from his businesses, a situation that continues to create a multitude of conflicts of interest."

Does the Taker's hypocrisy sting at least a little bit? It should -- it's the sting of brackish water as he fills the swamp.

Question: Where's the outrage by the alt-right?

Majormajor said...

So, no one was paid to fly the plane, fuel the plane?

Majormajor said...

Let me get this straight, liberals in an attempt to over turn President Trump's XO, went to a conservative judge who just happens to be in the "conservative" 9th ?
Really? Where's the alt-left out rage at this hypocrisy?

Is it any wonder that liberals are unable to formulate a rational argument to support their tired failed policies, but instead can only resort to Alinski's step number 4 in any debate?

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck,

Don't worry, we'll let you know when you get it straight.

Keep trying.

Majormajor said...

As I said Dave, you have no rational argument, you have no 🤚.

Thanks again for proving my point.
Cheers

;-).

Dave Dubya said...

Keep trying.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "So, no one was paid to fly the plane, fuel the plane?"

Not unless it was done for free -- as gifts from the Koch brothers, or Goldman Sachs, or other corporate donors. Otherwise those services and products were paid by the American taxpayer, correct?

I'm going to repeat my questions to you (from earlier today, February 22nd, at 6:15 pm), because you've purposely ignored them. Here they are, once again: "I can only assume, because a Republican is spending the money, that's okay with you? That's what I take from your reactions. Is my assumption wrong?"

Majormajor said...

Oh yeah, bringing back the oldies, Goldman Sachs, Koch brothers, conservative BBC (LOL).


Sorry JG, I'm going to invoke the famous Dave Dubya answer to your question, you know the one where he said, (to paraphrase) I choose not to answer irrelevant questions that are obvious set ups.

Sucks doesn't it but if it's good enough for Dave, it's surly good enough for me.

Anyway I'm still working out how liberals in an attempt to over turn President Trump's XO, went to a conservative judge who just happens to be in the "conservative" 9th?

Maybe it's an inside job done by the corporations that run everything ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "...bringing back the oldies, Goldman Sachs, Koch brothers, conservative BBC..."

Oldies, but "goodies". Did you think they went away? Your boy, Trump, is in their pockets too. (Well, Goldman Sachs and the Koch brothers, anyway.)


"I choose not to answer irrelevant questions that are obvious set ups."

It's never a set-up if you're being honest and telling the truth.


"Maybe it's an inside job done by the corporations that run everything..."

They don't necessarily "run" anything, but if you were honest with yourself you'd agree they call the shots.

Maybe James Robart -- who was nominated by George W. Bush, a Republican, by the way -- is just an honest judge following constitutional law. That never occurred to you, did it? There's always a boogeyman around very corner with you, isn't there?...everything's "us versus them"?

When are you going to answer my previous questions? (And while I'm on the subject, when are you going to finally answer Mozart's questions on Tom's blog?)

Majormajor said...

GOVERNOR GEORGE WALLACE would be proud!

"A student activist group at the University of Michigan is demanding campus officials provide them with “a permanent designated space on central campus for Black students and students of color to organize and do social justice work.”

The demand is one of several lodged by “Students4Justice,” who this month ratcheted up campus demonstrations to pressure administrators to cave, complaining in a newly launched petition that President Mark Schlissel has snubbed their demands.

The clamor for a segregated space for students of color to organize social justice efforts comes even as the public university builds a $10 million center for black students in the center of campus."

www.thecollegefix.com/post/31322/

JG,

I am invoking my rights as out lined by Dave Duyba, which it seems you have ignored.
Sucks doesn't it.

Key word in your post is "maybe". Just like "maybe" corporations don't necessarily "run" anything. or "maybe" 9-11 was an inside job just like "maybe" the 1st World Trade Center bombing while Clinton was President was an inside job.

The funniest line from you is 'There's always a boogeyman around very corner with you, isn't there?...everything's "us versus them"?" A review of your own blog will show just how stupid a statement that is.

Dave Dubya said...


Chuck quotes a Rightist propaganda source, as usual. Note the Rightist spin here, "The clamor for a segregated space".

This is a lie, of course. There was no "clamor for a segregated space". Segregation means exclusion based on race or ethnicity. Nowhere does the student group indicate whites are excluded or even not welcome to their functions.

Nowhere but in the reactionary minds of Right Wing Authoritarians, that is.

And as usual Chuck ignores the broader story :

Let’s see what else happened at the University of Michigan that would make Trumpists proud:

ANN ARBOR, Mich. — Authorities say they're investigating after some students at the University of Michigan received racist and anti-Semitic emails purportedly from a professor.

The Michigan Daily and the Ann Arbor News report the emails, which were received Tuesday by computer science and engineering undergraduate students, included subjects such as "African American Student Diversity" and "Jewish Student Diversity."

...The Michigan Daily says two of the emails included the phrase "Heil Trump." The emails prompted an early-Wednesday protest.


And there it is, folks. Turns out the racism is from the Trumpists, which was projected unto the students.

Typical.

Majormajor said...

A makeshift “black people”-only food cart caused plenty of indigestion Thursday in the Bronx, outraging onlookers who called the stunt racist.

A man and a woman set up the cart at around 9 a.m. outside Bronx Supreme Court, advertising their free donuts and juice on Styrofoam plates.

“Free Food For Black People” their three handmade signs read.

Passersby weren’t amused.

“Are you kidding me? If I did something like that it would be considered hate,” railed one woman, who was repeatedly denied any grub when she confronted the duo.

A young man running the cart also refused to serve a Post reporter. And the woman insisted the cart was not restricted to just African Americans.

“Mexican people are black,” she offered.

The pair closed up shop around 10:30 a.m.

Dave, when the "Authorities" investigating the emails discover they were sent by a radical liberal, will you state you were fooled by fake news? I doubt that you will.


The Campus Hate Crime Hoax Epidemic
Fed by leftist mass hysteria, a radical academic vanguard, and an increasingly greedy racial-grievance industry.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262716/campus-hate-crime-hoax-epidemic-matthew-vadum

fake hate crimes: a database of hate crime hoaxes in the usa
http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/

There it is folks turns out Dave has said "Heil Trump" right in his very own blog!!! Does this mean he sent the emails? Will this turn out to be racism from the left, which was projected unto the students?

In the words of JG "maybe".

T. Paine said...

I guess, as far as I am concerned, if people want to set up a "black people" only food cart, then that is their prerogative. Yes, it is racist and intolerant, but such is their right. If I were white, why would I want to eat from a "black only" food cart anyway? I am sure there are plenty of other excellent places to eat instead in the Bronx.

Even though most all of the real life cases are not about intolerance, I want to afford people that live their lives with religious convictions to not have their businesses forced to partake in gay "weddings" as their right too, if they so choose.

With such rights and freedoms, we cannot infringe on those same rights for the boorish and intolerant. Sadly, many progressive politicians and their PC supporters will try to curb such rights, like those folks that are exercising their first amendment religious rights, while not ever saying a word about the double standard of a "black only" food cart.

The fact that they cannot see the hypocrisy and double standard should not surprise us though.

Dave Dubya said...

TP and Chuck,

Are you two really so dim to believe that was a real "Black people only" business handing out free doughnuts for all of an hour and a half?

Oh, the humanity and injustice!

It is absolutely intolerance to discriminate against gays. The bakers are intolerant bigots by definition. Sorry. It's not like the bakers are required to kiss the grooms. Sheesh. It's a frickin' cake.

They are so thin-skinned and sensitive to their intolerance being called what it is.

God made them gay, just like He made you two Right Wing authoritarians. It's the bio-chemistry in the brain's wiring.

Since you two are still in the Dark Ages, believing gays choose to be that way, tell us, when did you choose to be authoritarians?









Majormajor said...

Dave,

I'd be real careful who you call "dim". You see Dave, you would have to be pretty dim to think there is a Nazi PhD employed at Mich. U., duh!!!

In other news that liberals will ignore because it doesn't fit their narrative

'Trump was RIGHT!' Inside the Stockholm suburbs where cars are torched, drugs sold openly and fire engines must be bulletproof

President Donald Trump claimed Sweden was in the midst of immigration crisis
His words last week provoked ridicule and anger from Swedish officials
On Monday, a riot broke out in the deprived Rinkeby suburb of capital Stockholm
Young men set fire to cars, threw stones at police and looted shops in the area
Teenage boy with long criminal record who was on the run sparked the riots
The suburb - where nine out of ten residents are immigrants - is rife with crime
Youths openly deal heroin and other narcotics inside near the only train station
'Perhaps Trump was right after all,' a police officer in Rinkeby told MailOnline
But a Swedish government spokesman denied a connection between immigration and crime, saying 'it is mainly due to unemployment'. NO, that can't be in the wonderful socialist country of Sweden.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4251958/Perhaps-Trump-right-Swedes-immigrant-problem-real.html#ixzz4ZY5Hu4Ho

With the high rate of black on white crime, would you be ok Dave with white students demanding a safe space that was white only???
Would you be upset Dave if a restaurant said they would sell to whites only?

You bet your liberal ass you would ;-)

Dave how do you explain your saying Heil Trump? (this ought to be good)

T. Paine said...

Dave, I don't care if that was really a "black only" business or simply an apocryphal story. You are missing the forest for the trees and my point that they have that right to do so. They should have the right to be intolerant.

As for the "intolerance" of those trying to be true to their religious convictions, I am sorry that you do not understand or accept that they should be allowed to live their lives according to beliefs taught by their faith for millennia, sir.

There is a grandmother in Washington State that just had the state supreme court rule against her in an ACLU-sponsored lawsuit because she politely refused to make a wedding cake for a gay customer's "wedding" because of her faith. Never mind that she has served him for years in her bakery and said she would serve him today were he to come into her store now. Never mind that she has hired LGBT people as workers in her bakery over the years. She is obviously an intolerant bigot, so you would have us believe.

And I don't appreciate your name-calling directed towards me simply because you cannot fathom a serious concern that I and tens of millions of other Americans have when it comes to our religious liberties as enshrined in the first amendment. You can demonize me and resort to epithets if you choose, but that won't help us to at least acknowledge the humanity of each other in civil discourse. I wonder if perhaps I have exhausted all that I can accomplish on your blog accordingly. Do you really want discourse or simply an echo chamber for your own views? I certainly don't care to resort to an exchange of name-calling, for certain, my friend.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

The "food cart" was NOT a business. Got it? It was people giving away doughnuts, for Pete's sake. How quickly you use this as an excuse for more discrimination is disturbing.

As for the "intolerance" of those trying to be true to their religious convictions, I am sorry that you do not understand or accept that they should be allowed to live their lives according to beliefs taught by their faith for millennia, sir.

First, just because religion is their excuse for their intolerance, doesn't make it anything other than intolerance. You know as well as I that religion has been used to excuse all sorts of bigotry, hate, war and violence.

It's just a frickin' cake, or flowers, or whatever. Weddings are integral to baking and flower businesses. If you don't want business from gays, you're obviously in the wrong business, or the wrong century.

My theory is the woman was afraid of the judgmental reactions she would face from more hardcore bigots in her church. I can understand that. That would put her in an uncomfortable position, even though it would be her fellow Christians putting her there.

If she thought she would go to Hell for her wedding work, then that is entirely her delusion. She is certainly free to exercise all of her religious beliefs. Nobody is telling her how to pray, what church to go to, or anything other than doing her job without discrimination.

Here are the words of the baker:

"I just couldn’t see a way clear in my heart to honor God with the talents He has given me by going against the word He has given us."

Where did God say, "No cakes and no flowers for gays!"

He didn't.

Maybe she needs to inspect brides for virginity from now on, you know to be pure?



T. Paine said...

"How quickly you use this as an excuse for more discrimination is disturbing." ~DD

Really? But even just "giving away donuts" ONLY TO BLACK PEOPLE is seemingly okay with you but not a grandma exercising her FIRST AMENDMENT AND GOD GIVEN RIGHT to exercise her faith as she chooses?

Both should be allowed to do as they choose -- whether Dave Dubya or T. Paine approves or not.

The grandma is obviously not homophobic or intolerant towards gays and has served gay customers and hired gay workers for a long time. Her faith tells her that she cannot be a material part of a gay "marriage", because some of the more orthodox Christians still believe God's word that marriage is only between a man and a woman and anything other than that is not a valid Judeo-Christian marriage. There are still a few of us left that do believe in the sacredness of marriage. You can mock and condescend that if you want; you have the right to think that is intolerant if you wish; but it seems to me you are ignoring all of the other facts of this seemingly very tolerant lady's life.

I know... we must accept ALL of the PC agenda or we are labeled as the bigots and intolerant. You and many on the left are seemingly homogeneous in your thoughts and beliefs and anyone that strays from THAT orthodoxy is worthy only of scorn and derision. I got it.

And you have the audacity to call me "intolerant".

Majormajor said...

TP

I can think of a lot of others words to describe DD than audacity.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Good night, and goodbye, gentlemen -- you too, Chuck. I'll be in the desert southwest for awhile visiting and conversing with my shaman -- partaking in ancient rituals older and more authentic than those of the major monotheistic religions -- and relearning the truth of the ancient ways.

Life is good and life is great. Enjoy the ride. It doesn't last for long.

Peace.

T. Paine said...

"I can think of a lot of others words to describe DD than audacity." ~ Majormajor

Lol, well so can I, but I am hoping that I can one day bring Dave in from the dark side, so it is important for me to remain as civil as possible.

JG, I hope you have a wonderful time and find much good and peace in your endeavors there, sir. Truly!

If I may ask, where in the southwest are you going?

Enjoy, my friend!

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

Yes, liberals are intolerant of intolerance. It's who we are.

You are falsely equating private citizens choosing who to give doughnuts to with a business choosing to refuse service based on race.

Both should be allowed to do as they choose -- whether Dave Dubya or T. Paine approves or not.

Now you're saying businesses should be allowed to refuse service to blacks? Wow.

How "not intolerant" of you. Now you can whine about being called intolerant. I didn't do so until you pushed it by saying businesses can refuse service based on race or sexual orientation.

It is what it is. Own it.

Intolerance and discrimination means not treating everyone equally. I made an effort to understand the woman. You are not making any visible effort to understand what I am saying.

Refusing sales and services by discrimination is NOT in anyone's Bible. It's all in their heads.

As you said, "to exercise her faith as she chooses" There it is.

She chose to equate doing business with gays with condoning their marriage. Not the same. Besides, can't you understand gays regard their marriage as something sacred too? Why else would they want it in the first place? This hurts you how?

She can do flowers for a wedding "not valid" in her opinion, or any other legal occasion. Who cares? Instead she chose to deny and hurt her "friend". She is not being oppressed. You whine as if she's under the Inquisition.

I take it you don't object to virginity screens of engaged couples by bakers and florists? We don't want them "condoning" naughty behavior, do we? See how irrational that false equivalence is?

Probably not.









Dave Dubya said...

JG,
It's good to disengage from observing the evil of the "Fork Tongues" in DC. These dark and twisted times require a good cleansing and refreshing of the mind and spirit.

May the Great Spirit grace your journey.

Majormajor said...

JG,

Just remember

"maybe".

;-)

"Fork Tongues" in DC, like Maxine Waters?

Majormajor said...



Two leading Swedish politicians have a message for President Trump’s critics: He’s right.

Per Jimmie Akesson and Mattias Karlsson, both leaders of the Sweden Democrats, penned a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Wednesday supporting Trump’s characterization of a Muslim immigrant-led crime crisis in Sweden.

“Mr. Trump did not exaggerate Sweden’s current problems,” Akesson and Karlsson wrote. “If anything, he understated them.”


And what do hear from liberals?
Crickets

Dave Dubya said...

And what do hear from liberals?

Fascists live in every country.

Minister blasts Sweden Democrats' Wall Street Journal op-ed: 'They're lying about Sweden'

Sweden's justice and migration minister has accused anti-immigration party leaders of lying about Sweden after they wrote in the Wall Street Journal that Donald Trump was right in his comments about immigration.

Sweden's justice and migration minister Morgan Johansson told The Local on Thursday.

"I note that it has gone so far that the Sweden Democrats are intentionally harming Sweden by lying about how things are. We can't let that go unchallenged. They're painting a picture of a country characterized by violence, when it's the exact opposite. Not to mention the risk of being the victim of deadly violence in the US is four times higher than in Sweden," he said.

A total of 112 people were victims of deadly violence in Sweden in 2015, according to the National Council for Crime Prevention. Deadly violence has decreased since the 1990s.

Majormajor said...

Would you believe your eyes if you saw the videos of violence?

Sadly, liberals live in every country.

T. Paine said...

"Yes, liberals are intolerant of intolerance. It's who we are."

I imagine some liberals are, Dave, but sadly I see a lot more who absolutely aren't tolerant of anyone that veers from their liberal orthodoxy. And these damned brainwashed kids on college campus with many of their professors are the very worst of the lot. It is almost as if they are all bound to some sort of liberal sharia law.

"You are falsely equating private citizens choosing who to give doughnuts to with a business choosing to refuse service based on race."

If both are done in a service to the public, how does that differ, Dave? Is it simply the fact that the florist charges money that makes it racist/sexist/homophobic? Are you really being that obtuse?

As for businesses, I don't agree with discrimination of customers based on race, sex, or even sexual orientation for goods or services UNTIL it conflicts with a tenet of my faith.

"As you said, 'to exercise her faith as she chooses' There it is. She chose to equate doing business with gays with condoning their marriage. Not the same. Besides, can't you understand gays regard their marriage as something sacred too? Why else would they want it in the first place?"

Dave, my faith instructs me as per God's word in the bible that a marriage is sacred, lifelong, indissoluble, and is between a SINGLE MAN and a SINGLE WOMAN. Because my Catholic faith has taught that for two thousand years and is formed on the basis of Judeo teachings going back thousands more, I CHOOSE to believe that and live my life accordingly.

While I don't condone the gay lifestyle, I personally do not have any animus towards any gay person simply because of that choice. I have gay friends and family members whom I love dearly. If any of them were to get married and invited me to the wedding though, I would have to politely decline. I cannot stand in witness to a "marriage" which I am taught as being sacrilegious to the covenant of marriage and God's word. The grandma baker is evidently in the same category. She doesn't wish ill upon her customers or employees that are gay, as she has proven by years of serving them otherwise. She simply cannot be a material part of a ceremony which contradicts a very important part of her faith.

I am not saying that gay people should be forced back into the closet or cannot have civil unions. I don't get to say what other people do, nor should I. God gave us all free will to choose between right and wrong, good and evil. What I am saying is that I cannot violate a dictate and teaching of my faith and be supportive in a material way of a ceremony that mocks or blasphemes something I hold to be sacred. Can you understand that, sir?

"She can do flowers for a wedding 'not valid' in her opinion, or any other legal occasion. Who cares? Instead she chose to deny and hurt her 'friend'. She is not being oppressed. You whine as if she's under the Inquisition."

And therein lies the problem. The Left and evidently Dave Dubya do not see the harm in legally forcing someone to violate the dictates of their conscience as informed by their faith. And you have the gall to call me an authoritarian...

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

these damned brainwashed kids on college campus No sweeping generalizations there? Unless you mean the ones who believe in Don the Con. ;-)

If both are done in a service to the public, how does that differ, Dave?

This is how you falsely equate two people on the sidewalk handing out doughnuts to an established business. They are not the same. One is NOT even a business "in a service to the public". Just a fact, my good man.

Thank you for this statement:

I don't agree with discrimination of customers based on race, sex, or even sexual orientation for goods or services UNTIL it conflicts with a tenet of my faith.

Good for you on the first part. And for owning that religion-based discrimination That is what it is. And it is your belief. God made them gay. It is NOT their choice. Homosexuality even occurs in nature. Talk to Him about that reality. I respect your attempt to “love the gay sinner but hate the gay sin”.

”I cannot stand in witness to a "marriage" which I am taught as being sacrilegious to the covenant of marriage and God's word.” OK. That is your feeling on the issue. Do you think it is a sin just to attend their wedding, or sell them flowers and cake? If so, explain.

I’m sorry you feel gay weddings are “a ceremony that mocks or blasphemes something I hold to be sacred”. But THEY hold it sacred. Isn’t that important? You fail to understand that if you really think they are mocking marriage. It’s a serious legal commitment too.

We go to weddings, gay and straight, not to “condone” the marriage or their way of expressing love, but to support loved ones in their special time. I’ve gone to weddings I didn’t approve of or deem wise, but I went to support friends and family. We go to Jewish or Hindu weddings, not because we believe their religion, but for the individuals involved. How about an atheist wedding with no religion involved at all? Is that a mockery? Maybe you should stick to only Catholic weddings, just to be sure. ;-)

If this is what you can’t tolerate, fine. That’s your personal choice. The same discrimination in a public business is another matter.

There is nothing in the Bible that says “No flowers or cakes for gays”. Or “Attending gay weddings is a sin”. Or “Attending a wedding means condoning any physical act they may choose to express their love”.

I do understand your position. I just don’t share it, and I won’t call you a bigot for your religion based disapproval and support for that particular type of discrimination.

I’ve become more tolerant in my old age. Maybe you understand my views, maybe not.

T. Paine said...

"these damned brainwashed kids on college campus No sweeping generalizations there? Unless you mean the ones who believe in Don the Con. ;-)"

Yes, that was indeed a generalization. Not all college kids are brainwashed, but there sure as hell seems to be a preponderance of them that are willing to suckle at the tit of liberalism and spew the PC and progressive propaganda "taught" by their professors evidently without question, challenge, or skepticism. Sadly, I have a loved one that has drank that koolaid. And I note that you think it is only brain washing if they don't agree with you regarding President Trump. :)

"This is how you falsely equate two people on the sidewalk handing out doughnuts to an established business. They are not the same. One is NOT even a business 'in a service to the public' ".

So are you saying it is okay to act in a prejudicial manner as long as you don't do so as a business?

"...And for owning that religion-based discrimination That is what it is."

Yes, it absolutely is, but not necessarily in the pejorative sense in which you imply. My faith teaches me what it deems right and wrong. It is my duty to discern, based on those teachings, and comply with them accordingly. I would rather comply with God's wishes as I am informed by my faith and be condemned by the world, than to championed by the world and act contrary to God's will. THAT is what I, and I dare say the elderly baker, both try to do with our lives; albeit I am hardly an example of how to always do so faithfully.

As for the elderly baker, the state AG tried to cut a deal with her and give her a far more minimal fine if she would not promise to discriminate in such situations in the future. Her response is precisely what this very debate is about in its essence:

"Your offer reveals that you don’t really understand me or what this conflict is all about. It’s about freedom, not money. I certainly don’t relish the idea of losing my business, my home, and everything else that your lawsuit threatens to take from my family, but my freedom to honor God in doing what I do best is more important. Washington’s constitution guarantees us 'freedom of conscience in all matters of religious sentiment.' I cannot sell that precious freedom. You are asking me to walk in the way of a well-known betrayer, one who sold something of infinite worth for 30 pieces of silver. That is something I will not do."

See the whole story with my latest post, if you so choose: http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com/2017/02/washingtons-denial-of-religious-liberty.html

"Do you think it is a sin just to attend their wedding, or sell them flowers and cake? If so, explain." ~ DD

You already know the answer to your question. Yes, it would be wrong of me to stand in witness as a guest at a gay marriage because the implication of my being there is that I support what is being done in the ceremony, my friend.

My wife has a lesbian friend who married her partner. They are both wonderful and loving people. They invited us to their wedding. As my wife and I are orthodox in our Christian faiths, we politely declined the invitation to go to the wedding, as it was something we both felt was wrong in the eyes of God. We don't hate them or wish them ill; on the contrary we like them both very much and indeed invited them to our own wedding, which they attended. They understand our views and we are all friends despite our mindsets on marriage.

The short answer for me is yes, it is wrong to support with flowers, cakes, photographs or any other material means which promotes that which I feel to be intrinsically wrong according to God. You are right though, that we MUST love the sinner and not condone the sin!

T. Paine said...

"THEY hold it sacred. Isn’t that important? You fail to understand that if you really think they are mocking marriage." ~ DD

Dave, the Bible is chock full of stories regarding pagans that hold various idols and beliefs sacred. That doesn't mean that I necessarily have to be supportive of what they find sacred if it contradicts my own faith. Many ancients used to sacrifice their babies to the god Moloch. The Aztecs used to offer the heart of human sacrifices in their sacred rituals. Now I am not equating these things to gay marriage, certainly, but just because one group holds something to be sacred does not mean that I have to acknowledge the sacredness of that thing too ... just as the proponents of gay marriage do not acknowledge the sacredness of an orthodox Christian covenantal marriage. That does not take away from what they hold to be sacred in their own "marriage". It just means that we disagree on what is hallowed and what is not.

As an American, I should not be forced to violate the dictates of my conscience or faith to uphold a politically correct secular law when it is contrary to God's law in my estimation.

"There is nothing in the Bible that says 'No flowers or cakes for gays'. Or 'Attending gay weddings is a sin'." ~ DD

No there is not explicitly. Back then homosexuality in many cultures was punishable by death, including in Jewish culture. It would not have even occurred to early Judeo-Christian society to have to declare that gay weddings are a grave sin. The bible doesn't explicitly condemn pedophilia or necrophilia either, but I can say with near infallible certainty where God comes down on those two topics as well.

For what it is worth, I do understand your viewpoint and I know that your thoughts on the subject are formulated so that nobody must face discrimination. That in itself is a good and noble thing, Dave.

I hope you can understand mine too that sometimes discrimination or discernment in choosing what I believe to be right because of my informed conscience should not be trumped by secular law.

I don't see gay people as deserving of derision and scorn worthy only of hell and damnation like those of the Westboro Baptist Church does. They are still fellow brothers and sisters created by God. I hope you can see the difference, my friend.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

We can agree to disagree on gay weddings. I get your reasons. And you get credit for not holding a malevolent attitude towards gays. And if the woman equates selling flowers to gays with Judas selling out Jesus, ludicrous as it may be, that’s her choice also.

Now back to college:

Not all college kids are brainwashed, but there sure as hell seems to be a preponderance of them that are willing to suckle at the tit of liberalism and spew the PC and progressive propaganda "taught" by their professors evidently without question, challenge, or skepticism.

Yes, we get your point, inaccurate and sweeping as it is. When the kids see Trump as a product of the “conservative party”, is it any wonder they look elsewhere for better ideas?

And hell yes, anyone who believes Trump’s lies is by definition brainwashed. Now Dear Leader is throwing a tantrum at journalism again. Only HIS sycophantic media are being allowed access. Lie your ass off and then demonize the press for calling it out. That’s what Right Wing authoritarianism looks like. You don’t need to go to college to know this is Common Sense. ;-)

As I noted: Journalism is always the enemy of tyranny, and the Republican Trump Cult is no exception.

The far Right’s dogma and demonization of “liberal media” reflects the same scorn for a free press as the Nazi’s term “Lügenpresse” (lying press).

Trump's suppression of accepted sources of journalism is un-American and a mockery of our Constitutional free press. As McCain said, this is how dictators start out. You know when I quote Republicans for support of my point, you may acknowledge there’s something to it, right?

Dave Dubya said...

Meanwhile, NOT in Sweden, we have a classic Fascist American in Trump's Amerika.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article134459444.html

First-degree murder charge filed in possible hate crime shooting at Olathe’s Austins bar

An Olathe man who reportedly told two strangers — Garmin engineers originally from India — to “get out of my country” before he shot them in an Olathe bar was charged Thursday with first-degree murder in the death of one of the victims.

Adam W. Purinton, 51, allegedly shot Srinivas Kuchibhotla, 32; Alok Madasani, 32, of Overland Park, and another bar patron, 24-year-old Ian Grillot of Grandview.
Kuchibhotla died at a hospital after the 7:15 p.m. shooting in Austins Bar & Grill near 151st Street and Mur-Len Road.


But it's the COLLEGE kids that are brainwashed, amirite?


T. Paine said...

I appreciate you giving me "credit" for not hating my fellow man even when we disagree on important issues. :)

As for Trump being a "product of the conservative party", I think I am offended by that characterization. ;) Trump is hardly a conservative. He is a loud-mouthed narcissistic populist that changed many of his long-held positions to more "conservative ones" in order to run as a Republican instead of a Democrat. His change in core values strikes me as opportunistic and is one more reason why I do not trust him. That said, when/if Trump follows through with his "stated" conservative plans, then I will give him credit for that. When/if he acts unconstitutionally and as an authoritarian, I will stand by your side in condemning him for ACTUAL offenses.

As for Trump's demonization of the press, well frankly I think that is something that the press has brought on themselves. If they had not been so left-wing biased in their reporting (and non-reporting) for decades and actually had retained some sense of credibility, then they wouldn't be able to be ostracized for being political hacks attached to the Democrat Party.

I think Trump is over-the-top and very un-statesman-like in how he is approaching the biased media, but sadly I think the mainstream corporate left-wing media is now reaping what they have sown and are becoming largely irrelevant. Frankly, that scares me because if they had been holding ALL of government, regardless of party, accountable for their actions over the years, then they would still be the valuable watch dog that they were supposed to be today. Instead, they are little more than whining yapping purse dogs anymore.

As for the murderer in Olathe, Kansas, I think that is horrific and I hope he is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law possible. That said, simply because I point out the fact that seemingly most college students are brainwashed, this does not negate the possibility of other nut jobs on the right from responding with hateful rhetoric and violence too. I condone neither and unequivocally condemn both.

Dave Dubya said...

From the Trump-banned CNN:

A survey from the Pew Research Center found 54% of Americans approve of the Affordable Care Act -- the highest level ever recorded by Pew -- while 43% disapprove. That's up from an even split (48%-47%) in a Pew survey from December, suggesting support for the law may be galvanized by the ongoing public fight over its future.

So? Republican don't give a damn what Americans say. The Trump Reich knows best.

Dave Dubya said...


TP,
Do you see any connection between Trumpist rhetoric and the killer's motive? Any at all?

He is a loud-mouthed narcissistic populist that changed many of his long-held positions to more "conservative ones" in order to run as a Republican instead of a Democrat.

Yes, That would make him a product of the “conservative party”. This is a good reason for educated people to investigate other ideas. Those students are in the right direction for seeking truth.

When/if he acts unconstitutionally and as an authoritarian, I will stand by your side in condemning him for ACTUAL offenses.

So you support his suppression of the First Amendment and free press because you and the far Right think they are “liberal” and deserve to be quashed.

Sad. No more “Mr. Constitution” we see. IOKIYAR after all. ;-)

Trump seems to be everything BUT wrong to you.

At least you have a glimpse of the contrast between liberal and conservative "brainwashing".

I bet the killer was a “good Christian”...in his mind. Your side “wins” the body count in that regard, competing head to head with the Islamic fringe nuts in deaths since 9-11.

Just another Christian terrorist adding to their list of murdered victims.

Trumpism is a cult and a delusional mental disorder.

But at least Don the Con is a reborn conservative, with his cabinet of Goldman Sachs, by Exxon/Mobile, and for the Kochs. Time to cut taxes for the rich and gut environmental regulations. And that is their plan.

That should comfort you. Your side won.



Dave Dubya said...



IOKIYAR

White House press secretary Sean Spicer barred reporters from several large media outlets from participating in a scheduled press briefing Friday. Two months ago, in a panel discussion, he insisted that open access for the media is “what makes a democracy a democracy versus a dictatorship.

Dave Dubya said...

Insight about the "Conservative Party" of Don the Con.

Trump hasn’t changed. Conservatives have. And CPAC just proved it.

The President Trump we saw Friday morning at the Conservative Political Action Conference was born six years ago on the exact same stage, when he first addressed the annual political conference.

“It's nothing different,” White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said Thursday. “If you go back and watch the tape of President Trump . . . that was the Trump agenda.”
Stephen K. Bannon added, “This is really where he got his launch, you know, with his ideas in the conservative movement.”

They're largely right. A comparison of the two speeches — along with Trump's 2013 CPAC address — does show plenty of consistencies in Trump's worldview. While he has certainly expanded upon the things he talks about, at the core of his 2011 message was the same nationalism, populism and flair for the politically dramatic that we saw today.

And, most remarkably, what seemed off-key in 2011 at CPAC suddenly seems remarkably in keeping with the conservative movement. Trump didn't really change; conservatives have changed for him.

...And that's really the most notable aspect of how the conservative movement became the Trump movement. A lot of these conservatives weren't easy fits for a wealthy former Democrat without much religious conservative cred and with a bigger appetite for nationalism than more-traditional Republican litmus-test issues. But the conservative movement fell in love with Trump's style and decided to worry about the details later. Now, his details are theirs.

While bragging about his business success back in 2011, Trump noticed he was getting some strange looks and reactions. “A little different, right?” he said. “A little different than what you've been hearing.”

It's not so different anymore.


Oh, oh. Looks like the Post needs to be banned too, now.

Majormajor said...

Dave,

Re: Shooting in KC.

I choose to use the Robert Reich explanation:

"Berkeley riots were a right-wing false flag, or something" not left wing.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/03/robert-reich-rumors-that-berkeley-riots-were-a-right-wing-false-flag-or-something/

The KC shooting was a left wing false flag, if it's good enough for Dr. Reich, it's good enough for me.

;-)

T. Paine said...

Good Lord, Dave. Most of the American public has been against Obama care nearly since its inception in poll after poll and yet you pull out one outlier poll and claim that the public is being ignored. I could use the kind of hyperbolic hateful rhetoric that you sometimes do and say that Goebbels would be proud of you. But I won't do that. :)

"Do you see any connection between Trumpist rhetoric and the killer's motive? Any at all?"

No Dave, please enlighten me about what I am missing? Is it because Trump has wanted to stop ILLEGAL immigration or temporarily ban people from certain unstable countries in the Middle East? Is that the "cause" to which you are referring? If so, I must have missed the part where even idiot Trump has said to hate all people of color or legal immigrants. This killer's act was deplorable, and not in the Hillary Clinton sense. Your attempt to connect responsibility where none exists is frankly disgusting, sir. Again, there are enough legitimate reasons to go after Trump without having to create stuff out of thin air.

And you, like those students, are NOT seeking the truth. You listen to one side, swallow it all, and mobilize in hateful but "tolerant" protests against a duly elected government because you all didn't get your way. Waaaa waaaaa! You know what? I haven't gotten my way since Reagan and haven't voted for the last two presidents ever. Get over it.

As for the press, again you are doing the Dave thing and putting words in my mouth I never said or attaching intentions I never meant. I understand why the press is being ostracized. They completely lack credibility and objectivity. That said, President Trump is WRONG to ban certain press agencies from White House briefings. That is exceptionally foolish, dangerous, and wrong. I don't agree with the crappy and false reporting that happens by some of them, but a ban is something that third world banana republics do. Trump is a damned fool for doing so. There, is that clear enough for you, or should I call for us to bomb the White House?

Next a "good Christian" would NOT have done as that killer did. I don't know what his religious faith was, if any, but what he did was evil. He is NOT a part of my side. But it is nice of you to divide and demonize me and others before you even have all of the facts. Hell, you should be a CNN reporter with that kind of mindset Dave.

My side did not win the election. The Republican Party nominally won. I abhor them for what they have done in failing to live up to their oaths to the constitution. If I wanted that, I would have voted for Hillary and the lying ass Democrats.

Oh, and for the record, the Kochs hate Trump. And Obama's treasury secretary, Tim Geitner, was instrumental in Goldman Sachs destruction of the economy. But like you say, IOKIYAD, amirite?

You keep on with the Alinsky playbook, Dave, though. I am going to let you have that and I will try to find common ground with progressives when I can. I really don't care much for the hate, demonization, and intolerance that seems to be coming from many on the Left these days. I thought "love was supposed to trump hate". I guess that love is only to be shared with like minded people though, right?

I am done for the weekend. Cheers!

Dave Dubya said...


TP,

Let's be clear. The Kochs don’t trust Trump. They certainly love his tax cuts and deregulation. Their cronies and stooges infest the Trump Administration.

David Koch gave Mike Pence’s two gubernatorial campaigns $300,000. Americans for Prosperity ran ads supporting Pence, and the Republican Governors Association, to which Koch and Koch Industries have donated a combined $10.8 million since 2003, spent $4.2 million in 2012 and 2016 backing Pence.

Texas oil and gas investor Doug Deason, who, along with his billionaire father, Darwin, is a Republican political mega-donor and key figure in the Koch political network, pushed for his friend Pruitt to head the EPA.

We could go on....

I suppose if you believe Trump over CNN this won’t matter:

(CNN)Support for Obamacare is at an all-time high, according to two surveys released this week as Republican leaders continue to press the case for repeal amid fierce resistance at many town halls.

The latest Health Tracking Poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 48% of Americans view the law favorably, compared to 42% who have an unfavorable view. This is the highest level of favorability measured in more than 60 Kaiser Health Tracking Polls conducted since 2010.

The boost comes largely from independents, half of whom view Obamacare favorably compared to 39% who don't. Nearly three-quarters of Democrats continue to view it favorably, while about the same share of Republicans have an unfavorable view.

Also, a survey from the Pew Research Center found 54% of Americans approve of the Affordable Care Act -- the highest level ever recorded by Pew -- while 43% disapprove. That's up from an even split (48%-47%) in a Pew survey from December, suggesting support for the law may be galvanized by the ongoing public fight over its future.


About that “outlier” pol:


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pew-research/


Least Biased:

These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sourcesFactual Reporting: HIGH


Why do I bother? This is meaningless to you if you are on the Trumpist media propaganda bandwagon.

Next a "good Christian" would NOT have done as that killer did.

I said “in his mind”.

He is NOT a part of my side. But it is nice of you to divide and demonize me

“Your side “wins” the body count in that regard,” Oops. And for that I apologize. I meant “Their side”, as in the far Right fringe nut killers.

Sorry.

“get out of my country”

"Do you see any connection between Trumpist rhetoric and the killer's motive? Any at all?"

No Dave, please enlighten me about what I am missing?

First there’s the obvious fact it IS Trumpist rhetoric. It is the angry Trumpist message to Mexicans and Muslims, and the hate and ignorance behind it. Or maybe the Trumpist’s motive was his bitter resentment of foreigners “taking American jobs”.

Either way, I highly doubt the motive was over a card game.

Have a great weekend. I’m going to visit a disabled Vietnam veteran. My brother was at the helo base at Pleiku during the battle at nearby Ia Drang.


Majormajor said...

I could use the JG wimp cause, "maybe" if I were you Dave, as it could be a false flag operation by radical leftist done in an attempt to blame conservatives. Like Mr Reich showed us. Like the website I gave you showing all the fake reports of racism, remember. You did look at that didn't you?

;-)

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Dave,

We all have seen your favorite polling sources for ObamaCare.

What was your favorite polling sources for the past election? You know the ones who all said Hillary was going to win throughout 2016 even though Trump grabbed hundreds of pussies? Even Nate Silver had his head up his arse. amirite?

Dave Dubya said...


Trump and the Republicans have done more to increase support for Obamacare than Obama did.

Yes, Arch. Polls were also often accurate. More Americans voted against Trump than for Dear Leader.

However the electoral college is not a poll.

Michael Moore was right, wasn't he?

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

lol on deflecting discussion on your polling sources for HRC who had no energy and was a fat crony capitalist pig.

Who cares how the Welfare Factory states vote? These voters on the free stuff wagon steered by the Liberal Plantation only want free stuff from the people pulling the wagon. amirite?

Dave Dubya said...

Arch,
I see you are deflecting from Michael Moore being right.

So how about that pussy grabbing, since you bring it up? Sounds like you approve of Dear Leader's criminal sexual conduct. IOKIYAR, amirite?

At least it's finally clear what con-SServatives mean by "value$". Basic human decency and honesty aren't among them, as Dear Leader and his loyal followers demonstrate.

Thanks for enlightening us, Arch.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

lol Dave on how you are clinging to the failed Socialist program ObamaCare. All the exchanges that were supposed to bring competition and lower costs are going belly up like fish in a polluted river. amirite?

Lets follow Nancy Pelosi's advice, We will have to let the Republicans pass their bill to see whats in it? amirite?

Thanks for the laughs and see you next weekend!

Dave Dubya said...

GOP Governor Snyder likes Flint citizens drinking lead "like fish in a polluted river. amirite"

"Socialist program Obamacare"? LOL.

Yes, the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romeny are "socialists" for inventing it.

And then there's those "socialist" insurance companies.

It's not hard to imagine someone who believes that to be a cult follower of Dear Leader.

Obamacare is gaining in popularity as the Republicans have no clue how to replace it.

"Let 'em die", right Arch?



Majormajor said...

"GOP Governor Snyder likes Flint citizens drinking lead "like fish in a polluted river."

Source of quote please.

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck, I partially quoted you, er, I mean Arch.

Snyder and his corporate managers liked saving a few bucks, so Flint got to drink "like fish in a polluted river", that would be lead with their river water.

Is that clear? Now Snyder wants taxpayers to cover his lame ass. Republicans set the standard as Takers.

Majormajor said...

So Snyder DIDN'T say he liked Flijnt6 Citizens drinking lead water.

Not that you would ever put your words in anther's mouth, lol.
;-)

Dave Dubya said...

It wasn't a Snyder quote was it? It was my illustration of his attitude, just like yours towards health care with your "failed Socialist program ObamaCare" lie.

If something saves lives, it "failed" only in the eyes of those with con-SServative value$.

"Let 'em die" is another such "quote".

Still waiting for the Republiklan's version of health care not covered by that quote.

Majormajor said...

DD,,

There you go again, treating your opinion as if it were fact. How many times have you done that Dave? Can you see how wrong that is?

Who said "let 'em die" and in what context?

If Obamacare is so wonderful, how come it had to be mandated?

If Obamacare is so wonderful, how come demorats who ran on it lost?

If Obamacare is so wonderful, how come out of the projected number of 40 million w/o health care, only 20 million signed up? Of that how many ended up on Medicare?

If you REALLY want to see the GOP version of health care, just check the bills that republicans offered but sadly were prevented from getting out of committee by demorats.

BTW, any news about the Nazi professor at U of Mich? Has he been drawn and quartered for the emails?
What's your take on the list of fake hate crimes I gave, is it still crickets?

Will you disavow Keith Ellison?

Dave Dubya said...

While we wait...and wait...and wait for the Trumpists to figure out how to screw more Americans out of health care, Obamacare is getting more popular.

It is not opinion, but FACT, that Obamacare is better than the "Let Him Die Plan":

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/tea-party-debate-audience-cheered-idea-of-letting-uninsured-patients-die/

Tea Party Debate Audience Cheered Idea of Letting Uninsured Patients Die

CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer’s hypothetical question about whether an uninsured 30-year-old working man in coma should be treated prompted one of the most boisterous moments of audience participation in the CNN/Tea Party Express.

“What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for himself,” Paul responded, adding, “That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risk. This whole idea that you have to compare and take care of everybody…”

The audience erupted into cheers, cutting off the Congressman’s sentence.
After a pause, Blitzer followed up by asking “Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?” to which a small number of audience members shouted “Yeah!”


Dear Leader explains, “Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated"

They want to take our country back alright, to their “Let him die” plan.

T. Paine said...

"If Obamacare is so wonderful, how come it had to be mandated? If Obamacare is so wonderful, how come demorats who ran on it lost? If Obamacare is so wonderful, how come out of the projected number of 40 million w/o health care, only 20 million signed up? Of that how many ended up on Medicare? If you REALLY want to see the GOP version of health care, just check the bills that republicans offered but sadly were prevented from getting out of committee by demorats."

All excellent questions, Majormajor!

I would add to this, why did many Democrat Senators have to be bribed to support and vote for Obamacare if it were so wonderful?

And why are so many of the Obamacare exchanges going broke or already have collapsed if this plan was so great?

How come premiums have skyrocketed under the plan, instead of reducing the average family of four's costs by $2500 annually as promised?

I was trying to see all of the details in all of the televised transparent debates on the topic like President Obama promised, but he must have forgotten about that promise too. I had to wait until they passed the law to see what was really in it. I liked my plan and my doctor, but I wasn't allowed to keep either as promised. But my rates went up for a far inferior plan. I guess that is so I can pay for those that didn't want insurance but now have to sign up for it.

Oh, and lastly, lets not forget that if Obamacare is so great, how come it has to have the HHS mandate the violates my first amendment rights to freedom of exercise of my faith by making all businesses provide abortifacients to their employees. That is the very definition of authoritarian when the government tries to force NUNS to buy a plan that includes such things that are explicitly against their core beliefs.

You are worried about Dear Leader, but refuse to see that we already had one of those in Obama, sir.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

Yes, we get it. Obama was just like Trump.

While it's always a pleasure to see your resentments over Obamacare, perhaps even because of it, you must ignore the human lives that have been saved to retain such bitterness and clearly one-sided view.

is bills that republicans offered but sadly were prevented from getting out of committee by demorats."

This is pure "alternative fact" con-sense. Projecting obstruction to democrats isn't supported by evidence or reality.

Yes, we know their "plan". You're on your own if you can't afford a "health savings account" out of your pocket while making minimum wage. Even insurance across state lines won't get it. If you "let the market decide", people will die. People will likely die after Republicans strip them of their Obamacare.

They call this "freedom", of course.





Dave Dubya said...

How come premiums have skyrocketed under the plan, instead of reducing the average family of four's costs by $2500 annually as promised?

Good question.

The same reason premiums have always skyrocketed. It is a corporate friendly program in a healthcare-for-profit system. That is inevitable. It must be reversed. In a civilized country healthcare is a right. Not here. What does that say?

Liberals have always had the best solution. The cheaper, more humane, more effective solution, with better outcomes. And it aint Obamacare or "You're on your own".

It will be interesting to see the degrees of indifference to human suffering Republicans will show in order to strip Americans of health care.

But Obama was soooooo evil.


Dave Dubya said...


Chuck wonders, "BTW, any news about the Nazi professor at U of Mich?"

Looks like Ann Arbor has a few more Trump supporters:

Bomb threat reported at Jewish Community Center in Ann Arbor

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2017/02/bomb_threat_reported_at_jewish.html#incart_2box_news_ann-arbor

Trump's RepubliKlaners are really coming out from under their rocks.

T. Paine said...

"While it's always a pleasure to see your resentments over Obamacare, perhaps even because of it, you must ignore the human lives that have been saved to retain such bitterness and clearly one-sided view."

Really? So any exceptionally crappy GOVERNMENT solution will do, huh?

I think a lot more human lives could have been saved if the real health care issues were truly addressed rather than simply trying to make this step one in a ultimate revamp to a single-payer-government run health care system, which is what they really wanted to do in the first place.

For that matter, as a member of the middle class, my insurance got worse and more expensive so I didn't get some things treated right away because of the deductibles and copays involved now. Good thing that my issues didn't turn out to be potentially life-threatening or I could have been one of those that did die BECAUSE of this vaunted Obamacare plan.

And no, Obama was not "just like Trump". So far, he was worse. We will see if Trump races to catch up with him though.

Regardless, I hope your weekend was good and that you had a good visit with your disabled veteran friend.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

Yes. Your opinion is clear. Still, Republicans have offered no solution better than Obamacare. In fact, Obama invited them to offer their ideas, but their only idea was to obstruct everything. Remember that?

And no, Obama was not "just like Trump". So far, he was worse. Yeah, after all, Trump inherited such an awful “mess”, while Obama had...what was he left with again? Did he whine like Dear Leader too? Nobody seems to remember...

And thank you. I had a great time with my brother. He has shooting range in the woods behind his place. Imagine that. Two liberals with firearms, and not scared to death that Obama was coming to take them. (I think it’s due to that less active amygdala, the reptilian brain, in progressives. Well that, and being informed by facts instead of “alternative facts”.)

Dave Dubya said...



“I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy. That we need the media to hold people like me to account,” George W. Bush told Matt Lauer on “The Today Show” Monday morning. “I mean, power can be very addictive and it can be corrosive and it’s important for the media to call to account people who abuse their power, whether it be here or elsewhere.”

But some say, "Obama was much worse" than Trump.

T. Paine said...

No Dave. I do not remember that. I remember several different plans proposed and all summarily rejected by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Obama.

Next, Trump has indeed inherited a mess. Our economy still has high TRUE unemployment, record welfare rolls and people living in poverty, and less security and standing in the world. Granted the economy was even worse at the time when Obama inherited from Bush because Georg W. Bush tried to use progressive Keynesian economics with government spending to recover things. We saw how well that worked. We'll see if Trump also follows Obama's suit and whines about the mess he inherited for the first four years of his term.

Glad you had a good time with your brother. Did you use black powder muzzle loaders? I think the anti-NRA crowd still finds those type of firearms acceptable and the only ones that should be protected under the 2nd amendment since that is all there was when it was written. :)

T. Paine said...

"But some say, 'Obama was much worse' than Trump."

Indeed! Bush's quotation you cited is correct and the media absolutely needs to hold the president, congress, and all elected officials accountable always.

Too bad they play softball with Democrats though, like when Obama said many many times that he didn't have the authority to issue an executive order to grant amnesty for "dreamers" and then eventually did anyway... and the press made scant notice of it. (Probably because they are all corporate-controlled conservatives, huh?) ;)

Majormajor said...

I see you have again deleted my post Dave. My guess is the points I made which only you have read, were spot on. Once again you have shown us who really is the authoritarian. It's you Dave.

You see for anyone who reads this in the brief time before Dave deletes this post, I simply ask Dave to support his claim that "Ann Arbor has a few more Trump supporters:

Bomb threat reported at Jewish Community Center in Ann Arbor."

Isn't that a riot??

;-)

Dave Dubya said...

Arch, er, I mean Chuck,

Which post do you mean, and by whom, may I ask? I deleted one by Archie. You "guys" overlap, perhaps you might clarify.

Bomb threats from Trumpists amuse you now?

Majormajor said...

Dave,

"Bomb threats from Trumpists amuse you now?"

How about some proof that bomb threats were from President Trump supporters?
Again putting your words into the mouths of others and holding them responsible for your words.

5 Big Myths about Obamacare repeal.


1. It will add 20 million to uninsured rolls. This is the most pervasive myth of all, repeated ad nauseam in every news story about the law. There is no truth to it. The figure comes from the Obama administration itself, based on manipulated survey data. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services — which runs ObamaCare — says the number of uninsured declined by 15 million between 2013 and 2015 (the last year for which they have data). The Census Bureau says it dropped by less than 13 million. The Heritage Foundation looked at actual enrollment data and found that just over 14 million gained coverage by the end of 2015. Not all of this decline is because of ObamaCare, either, since millions of people got jobs over those years, many of whom gained coverage as well.

In any case, Republicans plan a transition away from ObamaCare to reforms that will make insurance more competitive and more affordable, along with rules that will encourage young people to buy and maintain coverage. The 20 million claim is pure poppycock.

2. It will increase the deficit. ObamaCare never did cut the deficit as promised, thanks to unilateral changes made to ObamaCare by the administration that lowered revenues and increased costs. Since then, skyrocketing premiums and higher than expected costs for Medicaid are driving ObamaCare costs higher. In the next decade ObamaCare will, if left in place, add significantly to red ink. As would single payer.

3. It will increase health costs. Obama loved to claim that ObamaCare led to a slowdown in health costs. Not true. The rate of increase in national spending on health care had been on a steady decline well before ObamaCare became law. ObamaCare reversed that trend once it went into full effect. The rate of increase in premiums for employer-provided insurance had also slowed before ObamaCare took effect. The shift in the employer market toward Health Savings Account plans — which Democrats hate — is largely responsible for that.

4. Without ObamaCare, people with pre-existing conditions won't get insurance. A Kaiser Family Foundation report says that 25% of U.S. adults could be uninsurable if ObamaCare gets repealed because of pre-existing conditions. But that number is wildly inflated, since the vast majority of people get coverage through group plans or government-run programs that don't deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Plus, every Republican alternative to ObamaCare includes some protections for those with serious health problems.


5. The public doesn't want ObamaCare repealed. Whatever public opinion polls say — and keep in mind that these surveys are conducted by the same pollsters who failed to predict a Trump win — the fact is that voters have effectively voted to repeal the law three times. The first was when the GOP took control of the House in 2010, just months after Obama signed ObamaCare into law, despite public opposition. The second was when voters handed control of the Senate to Republicans in 2014 after ObamaCare's disastrous launch and Obama's "keep your plan" lie was exposed. The third was when voters elected Donald Trump in the midst of skyrocketing premiums and skimpier health plans.

In every case, Republican candidates who won elections emphatically and repeatedly vowed to repeal ObamaCare if elected. If this isn't a mandate for repeal, it's hard to see what is.

The truth is that Democrats fear ObamaCare's repeal NOT because they worry about the harm it will do. They fear repeal because the GOP's free-market oriented replacement plan is likely to be far more popular and successful.





Dave Dubya said...

Chuck, Don't you know yet that the Klan has openly celebrated Trump? Sorry, liberals don't vandalize and terrorize minorities. Con-SServatives and RepubliKlans do.

We don't need any more un-credited, plagiarized, copy and pasted Republican editorials.

It may be news to you, but most Americans voted against Trump and his agenda. Now most Americans support Obamacare.

You never did say which comment of yours, or Archie's, was deleted. Must not have been important or relevant, amirite? ;-)





T. Paine said...

"Sorry, liberals don't vandalize and terrorize minorities."

Oh really? Ask Milo Yiannopoulos (a gay conservative ... now there is a minority for you!) if that is true when he was slated to speak at Berkeley but the "tolerant" and "peaceful" liberal students and agitators decided to burn and riot on campus because they are so fearful of opposing conservative ideas.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,
You're right.

There's no difference between student vandalism, like after a sports victory, and the Klan's bomb threats and grave desecration.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,
I'm also impressed by your compassion for the "terrorized" Milo. That's much worse than Jewish kids getting bomb threats. That's terrorism, but only if a Muslim does it, according the dictates of Dear Leader. Milo's hate speech should be tolerated by students and paid for from their activity fees. Why should they object?

Then Milo mentioned "young boys and older men" being a good thing, and something about a priest. More "conservative ideas"?

I bet if a liberal said that you would be just as compassionate.

And I'm sure the fascist Trumpist who shot the Indian immigrants after saying "get out of my country" is the real victim.

Liberals do that terrorism all the time, amirite? They are so intolerant.



Majormajor said...

Dave,


Why do liberals support Keith Ellison?

Dave Dubya said...

Why do liberals support Keith Ellison?

Probably because he's not a Republican. Why do conservatives support a racist, narcissistic, ignorant sex criminal and pathological liar?

Because he's not a Democrat?

T. Paine said...

Dave, first I imagine that the handful of conservative students attending Berkeley did not feel threatened for their safety at all by those hateful liberals lighting fires in the student union.

Next, I don't support Milo's sexual comments or ideas by any means. That is not what he was on campus to discuss. I also hope you know that I unequivocally condemn the actions of those desecrating graves or engaged in racist activity such as the KKK. I don't care who they support politically. They are wrong and should be punished when they break the laws.

I don't support anti-Semitism either, and you know that.

As for the idiot that shot the Indian, was it ever determined that he was a Trump supporter, or are you simply creating fake news without evidence? (Not that the left would ever do that...)

Oh, and why do liberals support the intolerant Keith Ellison?

Dave Dubya said...

“I don’t like the racism and I don’t like the name-calling and I don’t like the people feeling alienated,” George Bush told People magazine about the Trump Administration. “Nobody likes that.”

Sorry, Georgie, your party has followed Trump into the depths of fascism only dreamed about by Dick Cheney.

Look at all the "good con-servatives" who will resent that statement and insist Obama was "worse than Trump". Well Old Dubya disagrees. He must be a commie, amirite?

I can just picture it, "Bush is playing the race card against Dear Leader!! Waaaahhh!"

Fascists have the thinnest skin on the planet.

T. Paine said...

"Why do liberals support Keith Ellison? Probably because he's not a Republican."

Hmmm... I don't support and did not vote for Donald Trump simply because he was a Republican.

I guess party trumps the country for some people... on both sides of the political spectrum.

Don't liberals think that there were far more reasonable and tolerant options than Keith Ellison to try and elevate to head the DNC? I guess he had to settle for vice chair instead. I am sure that will make for a more loving, inclusive, and tolerant Democrat party.

T. Paine said...

“I don’t like the racism and I don’t like the name-calling and I don’t like the people feeling alienated,” George Bush told People magazine about the Trump Administration. “Nobody likes that.”

I agree with President Bush on this for certain. Bush was a decent and respectful man despite his horrific progressive domestic spending policies. And despite Bush's decency and respect towards even his leftist political opponents, he was demonized as Hitler etc. back then. Seems to be something that the left reverts back to constantly in its playbook.

Demonize and marginalize your enemy. ~Saul Alinsky

Dave Dubya said...

TP,
I know you don't condone the racist acts of terror any more than I condone student vandalism. One is clearly more evil than the other though. Agreed?

As for the idiot that shot the Indian, was it ever determined that he was a Trump supporter,

Wow. "Fake news", huh? Very Trumpist of you. Just because you don't want it to be true, right? I hold this truth to be self-evident.

Um, how much would you wager on this point? Really. How about a friendly bet? I'll donate to the NRA if he wasn't a Trump supporter. And you would donate to the NAACP or the ACLU if he was?

You just can't get past the fact racists and Klansman are Trump supporters. Why is that?

Remember when "Worse-than-Trump Obama" said a judge with Mexican parents was unqualified? I don't either. How about,"It's OK when I go into teenage girls' dressing rooms"? I don't remember that either. How about grabbing women's crotches? But Obama was so terrible compared to Dear Leader, amirite?

So who has Ellison-the-intolerant banned from our country?

Now Dear Leader wants to blame the failed SEAL mission on Obama! Imagine if Hillary had done that... Yeah, we know damn well what the reaction would be.

IOKIYAR after all.

Dave Dubya said...

Demonize and marginalize your enemy. ~Saul Alinsky

How unlike the Trumpists, amirite? It's not like Dear Leader insisted for years the president was not a citizen. It's called projection, my friend.

Funny how you deflect from a point of agreement with Bush, to attacking Bush's critics, but it's OK if you criticize him for your own reasons.

Bush did start a war based on lies that spawned ISIS. Nothing wrong with that simple "misunderstanding". At least he was compassionate to cut taxes for the rich, like Dear Leader will do. Humble "men of the people".

Obama was the real monster.

The far Right has mastered projection.

Dave Dubya said...


Then:
OBAMA: "Healthcare is complicated."

Now:
TRUMP: “Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated.”

Obama was SOOOOOO much more stupid and arrogant than Dear Leader, obviously.

T. Paine said...

"I know you don't condone the racist acts of terror any more than I condone student vandalism. One is clearly more evil than the other though. Agreed?"

Dave, it wasn't just a case of mischievous vandalism by a few rambunctious students. They were lighting fires and even were trying to burn down the venue where Milo was to speak. According to the Huffington Post, the police didn't call the fire department to douse the flames out of fear for their safety. Racist and political acts of terror should be condemned always by both of us. Agreed, my friend?

"Wow. 'Fake news', huh? Very Trumpist of you. Just because you don't want it to be true, right? I hold this truth to be self-evident."

Dave, I am not emotionally or intellectually impacted by whether it turns out to be true that this murderer was a Trump supporter or not. It is interesting, however, that you find his guilt to be "self-evident" of being a "Trumpist." So much for judging one's guilt before any evidence is presented. Guilty until proven innocent sounds like an authoritarian idea to me.

You bet that their are racists and KKK members that support Trump. There were black racists and Black Panthers that supported Obama. If Trump were to seek or accept their support, then I would be in agreement with you. Any connection to that though seems to be stretching the facts, sir.

As for Trump's vulgarity in how he has treated some women in the past and so on, I agree with you that such is disgusting and below the dignity of the office of the presidency. I further agree that even the arrogant Obama conducted himself with far greater decorum and decency most of the time as compared to Trump.

"Demonize and marginalize your enemy. ~Saul Alinsky

How unlike the Trumpists, amirite? It's not like Dear Leader insisted for years the president was not a citizen. It's called projection, my friend."

I agree that Trump is a thin-skinned narcissist that results to Alinsky tactics routinely. Why wouldn't he? He holds progressive values at his core and was a Democrat for most of his life until it was an opportune time to become a Republican to run for the presidency. I have always held that Trump is NOT a real conservative. I see plenty of proof to continue to support my assertion.

Bush did start a war based on lies... and nuclear tubes, and so on... blah, blah, blah.

I think every time you go down that untruthful path, I will simply post the link to my rebuttal: http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com/2015/08/re-fighting-iraq-war.html

Cheers!

Dave Dubya said...

TP,
Thanks for your Iraq post link. I read it and reject most of your assumptions and lack of evidence. They lied. Thousands died. Those are the bottom line facts. Bush admitted there were no "stockpiles of WMDs". No "biological labs". And what were those aluminum tubes for again? Why, to lie about, naturally.

“Get out of my country” is the Trumpist rhetoric that shows the "self-evident" nature of being a "Trumpist." The killer is also a military veteran. Another likely indicator as most military types voted for Trump. If it quacks like a duck....

If Trump were to seek or accept their support, then I would be in agreement with you. Any connection to that though seems to be stretching the facts, sir.

The connection is clearly in the anti-immigrant hate rhetoric spewed by Trump and his supporters. This is the connection you deny.

I’m not saying Trump advocated the killing, but he sure as hell promoted the anti-immigrant hate. He stirred up the hate at rally after rally. THAT is the connection. Clear as a bell. Liberals have long been the targets of con-servative hate and demonization, so we know it when we see it.

Trump will parade victims of immigrant crime tonight. Will he mention the hate crime murder in Kansas? He should, but I highly doubt it. He always speaks to his base, and his baseness.

So far Dear Leader has ignored the hate crime committed by a fellow white nationalist. Yelling “Get out of my country” to persons of color before shooting them is a white nationalist sentiment to the core. Trump has admitted to being a nationalist too. His birtherism shows us what kind of nationalist he is. Hint: NOT a liberal. Not a Black Nationalist, but a WHITE nationalist.

The Trump administration does not believe that white supremacists are “terrorists”, only Muslims can be terrorist now. They recently decided to shift federal resources away from tracking them.

That says something too, doesn’t it?

And no, it does NOT say Trump is a liberal...at all...in any way...period. I’m glad you understand he is indeed an ignorant arrogant jerk who is an embarrassment to our country.

I hope you also understand ignorance and arrogance in the seat of power can be a very deadly combination. Already Trumpist Republicans are attacking our constitutional free press. (And kudos to G. Dubya Bush for calling him out.) Now they want to ramp up the military and police powers, while destroying constitutional regulation of commerce and providing for the general welfare. Pro-pollution corporate leaders are running the country now, more than ever. Wall Street is now “regulating” itself. That should work out swell, eh?

I’m glad to be rid of the Clintons, but the price our country may pay could be a terrible one. We shall see.

Majormajor said...

"Why do liberals support a racist, narcissistic, ignorant sex criminal and pathological liar?"

You know like Anthony Wiener or Barney Frank?

Because they are liberals.

Why do liberals support Keith Ellison?

Because he is anti Israel, anti-Semitic, and liberal.

"As for the idiot that shot the Indian, was it ever determined that he was a Trump supporter, or are you simply creating fake news without evidence? (Not that the left would ever do that...)" Add this to the long list of questions Dave hasn't answered?

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck,

If you were an honest man, I'd offer the same bet. The asshole killer is obviously a Trump supporter. Most assholes are. They follow their authoritarian asshole racist Dear Leader.

It looks like we have a real anti-Semite here.

Why are Frank and Wiener "racists"? Do you hate Jews too, Chuck? How Trumpist of you.

Keep calling Jews racists, sport, you are worse than Ellison on that count. We note your utter indifference to the murder victims, the bomb threats, and grave desecration, AND you call Jews racists. We know you feel the same towards Blacks, too.

Hmm.

Do your fellow Klansmen agree this is how to make America great again?

TP,

Your boy is off the leash again. Better comfort him, and tell him liberals are the real racists...along with the Blacks and Jews he hates.


Majormajor said...

Dave,

When are you going to stop supporting Black Lives Matter?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDKy2AUa3I8


Dave did you know that Dave Duke supported liberal Keith Ellison for head of DNC?



Majormajor said...

"Your boy"

Racist!!!