Saturday, November 17, 2012

Not Racist

“Another 4 years of this nigger. Maybe he will get assassinated this term.”

Oops. The lily-white California Girl’s sentiments, thought to be shared in private on a social network, were exposed by a former boyfriend.

Can’t a nice blonde girl express her feelings anymore? What’s all the fuss about? She couldn’t possibly be a racist, she's white AND conservative.

The local TV news reporter posed the simple question to the puzzled young woman.

“Are you a racist? It sounds like you’re a racist?”

“It does,” Aryann McBlondie* said, “but I am not. That’s what everyone’s been telling me, ‘You know, what you said sounded so racist,’ and it does, and you know, I take it back. If I could erase what I said, I would.”

Well then, like a shake of Romney's Etch-a-Sketch, she took it back. Nothing to see here folks. It’s all been fixed.
Now she's only hoping the president gets assassinated. No hate, or racism, there, right?

Besides, I’m sure she knows from FOX(R), Limbaugh, and Beck that only the President and his voters can be racists.

That is sadly the lesson from the radical Right.

Let’s hope this other reality based lesson is learned.

Racists never admit to being racists. Just ask one.

Or just ask Limbaugh, Beck and FOX(R).

 
* Name changed to protect the guilty.  


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Perhaps we should consider this perspective from an article from the Atlantic:

"Fear of a Black President"

 "Racism is not merely a simplistic hatred. It is, more often, broad sympathy toward some and broader skepticism toward others." - Ta-Nehisi Coates

63 comments:

The Heathen Republican said...

"She couldn’t possibly be a racist, she's white AND conservative."

What evidence do you have that she's a conservative? Being young, female, and from California, I'd bet she's pro choice and supports gay marriage.

Do you have some statements showing her to be an originalist, free market, low tax conservative? Or do you just presume every racist is conservative?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Heathen Republican: "Do you have some statements showing her to be an originalist..."

Are you an "originalist"?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Heathen Republican: "What evidence do you have that she's a conservative?"

and...

"Or do you just presume every racist is conservative?"

I'm sure Dave doesn't believe every conservative is racist, but I'd say the probability is pretty good that a sizable number are. At least this one seems to be.

"The Modesto Bee also reported that ["Aryann McBlondie"] was a Facebook fan of Romney/Ryan, although they also reported her as not being registered in the state to vote."

Nan said...

"not registered to vote."

Thank goodness for small favors.

Dave Dubya said...

HR,

Evidence that she’s conservative? Why not ask if I have evidence she’s white? What evidence do I have that she’s a racist? Do you think liberals or even moderates could feel that way about Obama?

Here’s a clue. She hates Obama and likes Romney. (Thank you JG.)

Not that I’m saying white conservatives are racist, but if there would happen to be any white racist, he just might be conservative. But we know otherwise now, don’t we?

Being a young female from California, who wrote those words, I'd bet she is neither pro choice nor supports gay marriage. And I bet she grew up in a FOX(R) den.

We could ask her boyfriend about that.

As for “statements” or just “presume” every racist is conservative?

I need not select from your false choice; as liberals do not say, or even think, what she did.

If you believe otherwise, show us such a liberal, please.

"She couldn’t possibly be a racist, she's white AND conservative."

In case you missed the subtly, I was mocking the radical Right dogma that only liberals, and no conservatives, are racists.

Justifying her hate, Aryann McBlondie said, “I'm not racist and I'm not crazy. just simply stating my opinion.!!!"

Her opinion just happens to align with the opinions of racists is all. Not that she’s a racist. No sir. And just because she’s a good little Romney fan, by no means could we surmise her conservative leanings.

She elaborates:

“The assassination part is kind of harsh. I'm not saying like I would go do that or anything like that, by any means, but if it was to happen, I don't think I'd care one bit."

Now there’s a “real American” girl. Why should a person brainwashed by the cult of the radical Right feel any human compassion for the Socialist, America-hating, Black Muslim president?

And she sees nothing wrong with her sentiments.

She told Fox 40 she wasn't aware she could be investigated by the Secret Service for her post.

"OK, but what did I do wrong? That's fine if they want to," she told the reporter. "But I don't understand what I did wrong."
Of course not, neither would racists understand what she did wrong; not that she’s a racist.

But her hatred has been fueled by FOX(R), Limbaugh, Beck and other propagandists of the extreme, radical, and hateful Right.

Not that any of the radical Right could possibly be racist. Of course not. Only liberals, like the president and his supporters, are racist these days. Just ask Rush and Beck.

Nan,

Too bad all racists don’t follow her example and not vote.

But then, how would Obama win? ;-)

The Heathen Republican said...

"Evidence that she’s conservative? Why not ask if I have evidence she’s white? What evidence do I have that she’s a racist? Do you think liberals or even moderates could feel that way about Obama?"

I take from this that you do not have any evidence that she's a conservative. Instead, because she is clearly racist, you ASSUME she is conservative, with no evidence.

I did not ask for any evidence that she's racist; that is clear. I asked for evidence that she's conservative. You provided none.

I think RACISTS can feel that way about Obama. Just as RACISTS would feel that way about Condoleezza Rice or Clarence Thomas. You confuse racist opposition to Obama as conservative racism. In fact, even a liberal racist would oppose Obama.

I'm still open to reading your evidence that she is in fact a conservative. Until then, I'll assume you think all conservatives are racists, all racists are conservatives, and you have no ability to think critically.

Dave Dubya said...

HR,

We can see how you need to rest on your assumptions, having not been open to reading:

”Here’s a clue. She hates Obama and likes Romney. (Thank you JG.)

Not that I’m saying white conservatives are racist, but if there would happen to be any white racist, he just might be conservative. But we know otherwise now, don’t we?


Yeah, I indicated, and mocked, your dogma repeatedly.

So what’s your point? No conservative can be racist? We got that part of the indoctrination program from Beck and Limbaugh. Remember, your guys are the ones who declared “Obama is a racist” and “Liberals are the racists”.

Do you rest your assumptions on that? No doubt many stupid white racists do. Not that I assume you to be a stupid white racist. But I have come to expect you to “assume” I called you that, anyway, by the pattern you follow.

Do you assert this woman is not conservative? Do you assume she’s a liberal? What evidence do you have other than your little “bet”?

You may as well go back to your ideological assumptions. The truth will not comfort you.

Obama won. That angers conservatives, and conservatives who are racists. I’m not sure what it does to liberal racists. There’s a project for you.

Personally I’d rather not abuse the word “conservative” on racists, bigots and idiots. But what choice do I have? They embrace the word. Their indoctrination tells them they’re “conservative” and Obama’s a Muslim Marxist who’s to be hated, and whose life or death means nothing to them.

So, would you like to tell us more of your assumptions?

And are they “conservative” assumptions, or just Republican assumptions?

The Heathen Republican said...

"Do you assert this woman is not conservative? Do you assume she’s a liberal? What evidence do you have other than your little “bet”?"

I have no idea if she is on the left or right. I could state categorically that she is a racist and a liberal, and I would have just as much evidence as you have.

If you think quoting Jefferson's Guardian is going to convince me of anything, you don't know what a "fact" is. No wonder you rely on your own biases instead of actual evidence.

To reiterate, I've asked for one simple thing: YOUR evidence to back up YOUR statement that this woman is a conservative. Still waiting on your answer...

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Heathen Republican: "I've asked for one simple thing: YOUR evidence to back up YOUR statement that this woman is a conservative."

I'd say the probability is high, given the fact that her Facebook page indicated she's a fan of Romney/Ryan, that she's a conservative.

Wouldn't you agree?


"If you think quoting Jefferson's Guardian is going to convince me of anything, you don't know what a 'fact' is."

So...if a fact comes from me, it doesn't pass your muster?

Let me ask you...if the fact came from another, would it then be adequate?

Heathen, your remarks cut me to the quick...

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
Perhaps HR is...ah, assuming that you and I pull facts out of the blue like Republicans do.

He seems unaware we both provided links (one to FOX and one to the local paper)to substantiate our words.

I't not easy being on the side of those who say only Obama and liberals are racists. And we both know where they pull that crap out...

Like, "I could state categorically that she is a racist and a liberal, and I would have just as much evidence as you have."

Right. She hates Obama and likes Romney. And HR has "just as much evidence" she's liberal.

Only his evidence comes from his assumptions pulled out of...well, you probably know.

As I said, it's not easy being Right when they're so wrong.

I credit him for resolutely defending his assumptions, no matter what little bearing they have on reality.

Remember his world creates its own reality.

The Heathen Republican said...

@Jefferson
"I'd say the probability is high, given the fact that her Facebook page indicated she's a fan of Romney/Ryan, that she's a conservative."

Certainly a possibility, but not certain. Romney isn't a conservative and he did win many independent and a few Democrat voters. I "liked" Obama's page to keep up to date with his campaign. Does that make me a liberal?

"So...if a fact comes from me, it doesn't pass your muster?"

That's not it. Only children take everything so personally. Unless you know the girl personally, there is really nothing you can say to back up Dave's statement. You have no first hand evidence, and Dave is citing you as a source.

@Dave
I've made no more assumptions than you. If you find my assumptions invalid, perhaps you should reconsider your own.

I did not intend for this to be such a lengthy discussion. I assumed if you labeled someone a conservative, you would have no trouble backing it up. Why do you refuse to answer after, what, 11 comments?

As I've said, I don't know her politics. I have not made any assertions one way or another. If she's a conservative, I'm perfectly fine with that. YOU made the assertion. If she's a conservative, surely you can back it up...

Dave Dubya said...

HR,
You are at your amusing best when you take positions like "Cheney and the PNAC are not Neocons" and no conservative can be racist.

I don't know her politics.

She likes Romney and hates Obama.

“Another 4 years of this nigger. Maybe he will get assassinated this term.”

“The assassination part is kind of harsh. I'm not saying like I would go do that or anything like that, by any means, but if it was to happen, I don't think I'd care one bit."

“I'm not racist and I'm not crazy. just simply stating my opinion.!!!"

"But I don't understand what I did wrong."

No clue on her FOX(R) politics here. No siree.

And somebody had better straighten out Colin Powell and his aide Lawrence Wilkerson.

http://now.msn.com/lawrence-wilkerson-says-gop-is-full-of-racists


"My party is full of racists," said Colin Powell's former chief of staff on MSNBC last night(October 26th). Lawrence Wilkerson was responding to a claim that Powell only endorsed the president because both men are black, made by Romney campaign surrogate John Sununu. Wilkerson said that the anger directed at Obama from "a considerable portion" of the GOP has "nothing to do with his competence as commander-in-chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/lawrence-wilkerson-colin-powell-sununu_n_2027721.html

My party, unfortunately, is the bastion of those people -- not all of them, but most of them -- who are still basing their positions on race. Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander-in-chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin, and that's despicable. - Lawrence Wilkerson (R)

There would be no long discussion if you could only admit there are racist conservatives and racist Republcans.

If only you could admit this person is more likely conservative than liberal...

But you cannot. Because she's from California and you are a Republican.

And that is what's so amusing.

The Heathen Republican said...

Dave, I've never said conservatives can't be racists. Why do you have to make things up to win an argument?

Racists can be both on the left and the right. Are you able to admit that liberals can be racists? Go ahead, see if you can type those words into your keyboard.

You have yet to provide evidence that this girl is a conservative. I've already agreed that she's a racist. You claim it is more likely that she is conservative, but that is based only on your bias against conservatives. Not any actual evidence.

Now that we've established you cannot back up your claim that she is a conservative, I no longer have to make the assumption that you 1) assume all racists are conservatives and 2) have no critical thinking skills. I don't need to assume it because you've proven it. At least you've proven something today.

Dave Dubya said...


HR,
Racists can be both on the left and the right.

Wonderful. That didn’t hurt too much, did it? I won’t report you to Rush and Beck.

Now, how could we determine a racist on the Right from one on the Left?

By their political sympathies, of course.

Hers are as clear as yours. Your politics, not your racism. I have no evidence you are racist, but we have learned from a Republican your party has them.

Are you able to admit that liberals can be racists?

Remember this from above?

Obama won. That angers conservatives, and conservatives who are racists. I’m not sure what it does to liberal racists. There’s a project for you.

Your quest awaits.

The Heathen Republican said...

What you didn't say in your last comment is more revealing than what you did say.

Dave Dubya said...

“More revealing”. Assuming...

T. Paine said...

Dubya, you are amazing sir. Of course there are conservatives and Republicans and conservative Republicans that are racist. Same holds true for the left and Democrats. Your implied statements that Fox (I) is racist and so is Beck and Limbaugh is ridiculous and unsubstantiated with any evidence that comes from objective sources. And please don’t give me all of your media-matters quotations again. We have had this discussion before and I explained away every last one of them as either being totally fabricated, taken out of context, or simply not racist.

Obama won. You should be happy with that without STILL having the burning desire to play the race card.

Personally, I think the Mayans were right after all. The world will end in December because they must have somehow known that a majority of Americans were too foolish and ignorant and thus would re-elect the worst God-damned president in the history of this once great nation. My hatred of Obama has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with the fact that his policies are anti-American and are destroying this country. What is sad is that so many Americans don’t know their own history, economics, or anything about the constitution or he would not have been reelected.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,
Aw, shucks, I’m not THAT amazing. But thank you anyway. You’re amazing too.

I believe your understanding of the Mayans, as well as of Beck and Limbaugh, is imprecise or biased.

I don’t need Media Matters quotations, correct as they may be, to form my opinion of Glenn (Obama’s a racist with a deep-seated hatred for white people) Beck, and Rush (Take that bone out of your nose) Limbaugh. You see, their words are quite sufficient. Then there’s the famous “New Black Panther Scare” from FOX(R). Talk about “playing the race card”. Gee whiz.

Yes, Obama won. But his election or re-election did not eradicate racism. It does not prove only liberals are racists. These issues are still real and relevant.

My post is not “playing the race card”. In fact, almost every time a liberal calls out a case of real racism, or “not racist” as I have done, you Righties are programmed to immediately attack the liberal for “playing the race card”.

I wonder if anyone else notices that pattern. In light of, or perhaps “in the shadow of” would be the better expression, the words of Beck and Limbaugh, this is what we call projection by the Right.

And the Mayans didn’t say the world would end. It’s a transitional part of the cycle of their calendar. One ends, another begins.

And they were correct, in the sense times have changed. America has re-elected a Black president. That alone is quite a paradigm shift. However as you and I note, racism still infects our nation.

Do you think we all need to just shut up when racists, or “not-racists”, spew their hate? If so, I emphatically disagree with you.

the fact that his policies are anti-American and are destroying this country

This is not a fact. It is your belief. It is your opinion, and it is shared exclusively by the radical Right. The majority of Americans disagree with you.

We heard none of this talk when Bush was re-elected, after starting a war of aggression based on falsehoods, exploding the debt, and letting the rich off from having to pay for it. Many consider that quite un-American and destructive to the Republic.

I share your concerns over Constitutional issues. While you ranting is primarily economically oriented on bailouts and stimulus and such, mine are focused on extra-judicial killings, detention without charges, warrantless surveillance, torture, and other human rights abuses.

The Right was, and is, quite silent on those abuses, again probably because Bush initiated them.

If your hatred is for Obama only, and not for Bush, then that could give the impression of a certain prejudice on your part. After all, Bush claimed to be a conservative, and I understand you feel he betrayed that characterization.

Hell, even I don’t hate Bush. He’s an ignorant, aloof, out of touch, son of privilege, and was a puppet in the hands of the greater evil of Dick Cheney.

Now he’s someone easy to hate. However I try not to let myself fall into the trap of hatred. It consumes and destroys from within.

A good Catholic progressive friend of mine told me he would always pray for Bush, that he would find the wisdom and compassion to do the right thing. He didn’t fall into the hate trap. I think that’s what Jesus would do.

Maybe your energies could be redirected from hate, and follow a similar path.

Thank you for inspiring some thoughtful and philosophical reflection.

okjimm said...

Boy... TPaine...//My hatred of Obama has nothing to do with his skin color//
oh oh oh....but it doesn't help...does it?

Heathen is arguing way too much...someone who feels compelled to defend a racist as a possible liberal seems like they are hiding something. Of course all conservatives are not racist...but the odds are that most racists are conservative.

The Heathen Republican said...

okjimm, you silly fool. Had Dave answered my question the first time, I would have only had one comment in this string. You should be blaming Dave for all the arguing.

At no time did I try to say the racist girl is a liberal. I asked about evidence that she's a conservative. None has been provided.

Like Dave, your bias is clear. You assume most racists must be conservative, but have no concrete evidence to back it up. Perhaps I can help:

1) The Democratic Party was formed in 1792 and identified itself as the “white man’s party” in order to contrast itself with the “Negro dominated” Republican Party.

2) The Ku Klux Klan was founded by six Democrats who were dissatisfied with the outcome of the Civil War. Their goal was to punish Republicans for freeing the slaves and torture former slaves.

3) The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was originally held up in the House Rules Committee by Howard W. Smith, a Democrat from Virginia, and skipped the Senate Judiciary Committee because of firm opposition from James O. Eastland, a Democrat from Mississippi. 18 Democrats and 1 Republican led a 54 day filibuster. Ultimately, 80% of Republicans in the House voted for the Civil Rights Act and 82% in the Senate, while only 61% of House Democrats and 69% of Senate Democrats voted in favor.

I do not list these in order to "prove" that Democrats are racist and Republicans are not. I list them because you are apparently unaware of history if you can suggest that "the odds are that most racists are conservative."

Apparently T. Paine and I are the only ones here willing to say that racism has no party. You and Jefferson and Dave, on the other hand, insist racism must be a right-wing phenomenon. (If John Myste were here, I'd exclude him as well.)

You are ignorant and biased. Neither of which, by the way, are ad hominem attacks. They are simply descriptive since you lack knowledge and have nothing to support your irrational bias.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Heathen Republican: "Certainly a possibility, but not certain."

A "possibility"? More like a probability, wouldn't you say?


"Romney isn't a conservative and he did win many independent and a few Democrat voters."

What is he? A liberal?


"I 'liked' Obama's page to keep up to date with his campaign. Does that make me a liberal?"

Not being one to forgo my few remaining rights to privacy by relinquishing them voluntarily, as you apparently have done, I don't "facebook". But if I'm not mistaken, "liking" someone's Facebook page is totally different than claiming oneself to be a "fan" on your own page (as in this case, of Romney/Ryan, as asserted by Aryann McBlondie).


"That's not it. Only children take everything so personally.

There's only one person who habitually behaves like a defensive child when commenting on this blog, and it's not Dave and it's not me.


"Unless you know the girl personally, there is really nothing you can say to back up Dave's statement. You have no first hand evidence, and Dave is citing you as a source."

True, I don't know the girl personally, just as you don't know (I don't think) Barack Obama personally. Therefore, unless we know someone personally, we cannot make any judgements about anybody -- even when it's reported by a city newspaper.

That kinda makes all of our blog entries just opinions at best; hearsay at worst.

The Heathen Republican said...

So we agree, Dave's proclamation that this girl is a conservative is hearsay with no factual basis. Thanks Jefferson.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Heathen Republican: "1) The Democratic Party was formed in 1792 and identified itself as the 'white man’s party' in order to contrast itself with the 'Negro dominated' Republican Party."

I guess it wanted to "contrast itself" from a party that wouldn't even be in existence for another 62 years. ;-)

(The United States Republican Party emerged in 1854. There was no Republican Party in 1792. Oops! Caught in another fabricated "fact"?)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Heathen Republican: "So we agree, Dave's proclamation that this girl is a conservative is hearsay with no factual basis. Thanks Jefferson"

Well...according to you. But the evidence available indicates otherwise, that is, if you avail yourself to it.

As already mentioned, makes all your blog posts hearsay, wouldn't you say?

okjimm said...

Heathen... you silly inept man
1) there were no enfranchised Negro voters in 1792
2) The Klan was originally founded to fight repressive Radical Republican rules of the Reconstruction chief among those measures was a total disenfranchisement of former Confederate soldiers. Yes,,,the organization was fraught with racism..but it was not founded as a political entity by Democrats. Please reference Carpetbaggers and scalawags. The original Klan, disavowed by many of it's founders, including General Nathan Bedford Forest,pretty much disappeared in the early 1870, The later Klan did not emerge as a completely racist organization untio about 1915.

you are wrong on two out of three...I will not address your third,, but will point out that the Republican party and the Democratic party of today bear scanty resemblance of those same parties in the 1860's. It is just another stupid talking point being bandied about. You may as well throw in Federalist and Whigs for all it matters.

Dave Dubya said...

Okjimm,
Of course all conservatives are not racist...but the odds are that most racists are conservative.

The fact so many know this bottom line fact is intolerable to the Right. Their indoctrination program is working to project the opposite of this reality.

Lincoln would not have a place in today’s Republican Party. Hell, Reagan would be called an appeasing RINO.

JG,
Romney isn't a conservative

No sir.

For the record, and by his own words, Romney is an “extreme conservative”.

A Republican would never lie.


HR,

Thanks for the slanted and woefully deceptive history lesson. Shall we examine the changes the two parties have made over the years? Shall we remind you the Klan was, and is, state’s-rights-obsessed conservative white guys?

Shall we lecture you again on Dixiecrats? Shall we lecture you again that conservative white men throughout history supported slavery and racist ideology.

We are all aware of the racism in our culture. We are all aware it crosses party lines. We are also all aware of what Lawrence Wilkerson said about racism in your party.

You can whine and deny all you want, but racism thrives more in conservative whites than elsewhere. That is just how it is. Conservative wealthy whites were the slave owners. Their legacy today is conservative white racism.

You must deny this, of course. After all, it is your job to do so.

The fact you reject my evidence does not mean it is not evidence. You just don’t like the inconvenient fact she hates Obama and likes Romney. This evidence strongly supports my claim.

But besides the minuscule chance she’s liberal in other areas, my point in her highly probable affiliation was mocking the Right’s dogma that liberals, not conservatives are racist. Yes, it is dogma directly from your obergruppenfuhrer Limbaugh.

Where did anyone “insist racism must be a right-wing phenomenon”? Your obsession with the subject actually strengthens my case. The fact you need to make up accusations also helps confirm it.

The same evidence you accept as proof of her racism, her own words, is rejected when you don’t like what the evidence suggests.

How Republican of you. That’s not necessarily an ad hominum attack, but I’d hate to be called one.

S.W. Anderson said...

If this woman expressed support for Romney, called the president the N-word and went on to express hope for his assassination, she absolutely qualifies as a tea party-grade right-wing extremist. Racism is a dominant theme among people of that stripe. Or should I say of that dementia? You know she's not the brightest bulb in the package if she posted something on a social network expecting it would remain private.

This woman fits the mold of a fan of rabies carrier Michael Savage.

Having said all that, knowing what the woman really believes is impossible. One can only judge on the basis of things she's said and written. I suppose there's a chance she's just a ditz who was trying to fit into a group with feelings of the kind she expressed.

I find two things about this incident especially aggravating and regrettable.

First, the desire for Obama to be assassinated. That bespeaks hatred and spitefulness. Not political opposition, not just racial prejudice, but pure damned meanness. It qualifies her as a tea party goddess and perfect fit for the party of bullies.

Second, the fact others reacted to this woman's inner hatefulness by driving her out of her job. She deserves to be called out and to be shunned by decent people. But her hate speech was only marginally worse than Rush Limbaugh's hate speech about and directed at Sandra Fluke, and he's still in his $50 million a year job.

While it's not a sure thing, I wouldn't be surprised if this woman becomes a martyr figure for tea party types. They will claim she's being persecuted for exercising her First Amendment right.

S.W. Anderson said...

"What evidence do you have that she's a conservative? Being young, female, and from California, I'd bet she's pro choice and supports gay marriage."

If there is any jumping to conclusions on this point, anyone with feet off solid ground will be excused. For about three generations, the political right in this country has insisted on calling anyone they disagree with, don't like or don't understand a liberal and/or a socialist.

Now, when it comes to jumping to conclusions, H.R., you take the proverbial cake. The woman could just as well be a young churchgoing Catholic female who's unalterably opposed to abortion and gay marriage.

You reveal yourself as a bearer of the bigot's trademark core belief: "they're all alike." In this case, "all" meaning Californians.

okjimm said...

SW...//proverbial cake//!!!! oh oh oh... I had some of that, once! Why gosh, it was easy to find...I just jumped to a conclusion, took a couple of leftist steps, in a conservative estimate,,,and and there it was! Gosh darn thing was full of plain flavorless white sentiments, not very filling. I think they were made by that President's wife, what was her name?...Dolly Hostess or something.

Sorry..couldn't help myself. Too much caffeine. Well, Ho HO...COTTA go ring my Ding Dong and earn some Wonder Bread.

John Myste said...

MR. Paine,

What is sad is that so many Americans don’t know their own history, economics, or anything about the constitution or he would not have been reelected.

These are precisely why I voted for Obama.

MR. Dubya,

I think the reason the conservatives took the irrational attitude that they don’t know this person’s political affiliation is that your post kind of implied: “see, conservatives are racists.”

Since you did not state this explicitly, there was no easy way to rebut the presumed intention of the post, which you could easily disown. The intention of this post is as clear as party affiliation of Blondie.

In reality, conservatives hate Obama for his policies, not his race. I think we all know that. If we all know that, and accept it, this post on a political site seems oddly out of place.

So, the conservatives here are rebutting your words with nonsense, but only because they refute the intention of the post, which you have not explicitly made clear. The implication that this is an indication of conservative racist tendencies is incorrect. Whether or not conservatives are racist, this post offers no evidence in support of such. It is the implicit thesis, not the words themselves, that the conservatives are truly combatting. They are using the specific boundaries you laid out to wage their war, which is an incorrect strategy. You laid mines and they ware moseying on into them.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

John Myste: "In reality, conservatives hate Obama for his policies, not his race."

As Bill Maher aptly observes, most conservatives really do seem to exist in "a bubble" -- or a separate reality, if you will.

Mr. Myste, you never cease to entertain and educate -- just like TV!

T. Paine said...

Anderson, you are being a damned fool, my friend. I don’t know of any respectable Tea Party member that would condone such racist speech. I sure as hell wouldn’t. What she said was ignorant and repugnant, and championing that ignorance only destroys credibility of whatever party is foolish enough to do so. The fact that you think the Tea Party would consider her a martyr bespeaks of your own ignorance for what the Tea Party really stands.

Mr. Myste, this is one more reason why I like and respect you sir. You try to follow the truth regardless of where it leads you. Myste stated, “I think the reason the conservatives took the irrational attitude that they don’t know this person’s political affiliation is that your post kind of implied: ‘see, conservatives are racists.’ “ This is exactly the point. Dubya, your point wasn’t so much to denounce racism, but to try and connect that stupidity to a conservative. I think everyone on this link can hopefully agree that racism of this or any type is unacceptable and never to be condoned regardless of the source. If you want to discredit the Republican Party or the Tea Party, you will have to do so on other grounds because last time I checked supporting racism in any manner or regard was not a party of their platform or philosophy. Does that mean their aren’t racist in either party? Nope. There sure are, and I, for one, will denounce them whenever possible.

Dubya, you did make a good point previously though, sir. I have prayed for President Obama that he would be guided by the constitution and God’s will. I have prayed for his safety. Admittedly I loathe him and wish he were no longer in office. I don’t wish him harm though. My dislike for him is similar to that hatred one would feel for someone that had harmed a loved one. I love my country and want my family and grandkids to live in freedom and opportunity. President Obama, in my opinion, has dramatically lessened the likelihood for that ever to occur now. He has harmed the country I love; therefore, I loathe him. I could care less what damned color he is.

John Myste said...

I have prayed for President Obama that he would be guided by the constitution and God’s will.

Respectfully, it is hard to keep your car on the road if two people are driving it. No wonder you think your prayer was not answered. The prayer made no sense. Which driver do you want, the Constitution or your personal God’s will?

T. Paine said...

John, I am of the opinion that the basic ideals within the constitution are inspired. There is nothing incompatible with the current constitution and God's will, hence one driver is at the wheel. Unfortunately, Obama still has managed to put in the ditch though.

Dave Dubya said...

SW,
I think she may well be a “free speech” hero to the racists of the Right. I don’t think she was fired for her words, but for their effect on business. For that, the Right should have no complaint.

TP;
It takes a special Christian to pray for one he hates.

Yet you have no loathing whatsoever for Mr. Bush Jr.? See bottom of my post for why that is interesting.

I pray you may overcome and outgrow your hatred. And may you seek more compassionate understanding, and less judgmental hatred. Some of us liberals know that hatred for us arises from the radical Right’s misunderstanding of us. We really don’t hate America. Shame on those who say so.

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Dave Dubya said...

John,
Now you got me to thinking about my intentions for the post.

Part of it is explained by the quote at the end. Racism is insidious, and often people are unaware of their own bigotry that manifests in ways other than outright hate.

I think we all have a touch of fear-triggered prejudice of some form or another. I think human nature and instincts in the primitive part of the brain are enough to give pause to consider all our judgments on others. Which of course allows for the reality of racist liberals too.

Another intention was to illuminate the fact that racists never admit they’re racists.

Of course the real target of my sarcastic little rant can be found in two sentences:

Besides, I’m sure she knows from FOX(R), Limbaugh, and Beck that only the President and his voters can be racists.

That is sadly the lesson from the radical Right.


Whether the girl is conservative or not isn’t the point. The designation of her likely political leaning is but a mechanism for making a greater point.

Nobody is saying all, or most, conservatives are racist. Unlike the propaganda of the radical Right, which is projecting all racism unto liberals, ala Beck and Limbaugh.

In hindsight I should have offered the quotes in the post that I later used in the comment thread. And I should have presented examples of the propaganda I was attacking.

I’ve used them before and I didn’t bother to repeat them, although they certainly bear repeating.

Dave Dubya said...

I’ve noted Beck’s nasty race-baiting above.

Here are a few Limbaugh examples:

"Racism in this country is the exclusive province of the left.”

“You know what we call people obsessed with race? Racists,” said Limbaugh attacking MSNBC. “Really what we have here is blatant bigotry and racism on this network of holier-than-thou liberals.”

"So, David Paterson will become the massa who gets to appoint whoever gets to take Massa's place. So, for the first time in his life, Paterson's gonna be a massa."

"...the NAACP is as racist an organization as there has been and is in this country."

Limbaugh said on May 29, 2009: “How do you get promoted in a Barack Obama administration? By hating white people or even saying you do or that they‘re not good or put down ‘em, whatever. Make white people the new oppressed minority and they‘re going right along with it because they‘re shutting up. They‘re moving to the back of the bus. They‘re saying, “I can‘t use that drinking fountain.” OK. “I can‘t use that restroom.” OK.”

Obama's America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. I mean, you put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety. But in Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering "Yay! Right on, right on, right on, right on."

“Now, just imagine the hue and cry had a Republican president ordered the shooting of black teenagers on the high seas.”

On Sonia Sotomayor:
“She went on to say in that same speech at Berkeley, "'I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.' She restated her commitment to that unlawful judicial philosophy at a speech she gave in 2005 at Duke," where you just heard the audio sound bite, the Court of Appeals is where policy is made. So here you have a racist. You might want to soften that and you might want to say a reverse racist. And the libs of course say that minorities cannot be racists because they don't have the power to implement their racism. Well, those days are gone because reverse racists certainly do have the power to implement their power. Obama is the greatest living example of a reverse racist, and now he's appointed one -- you getting this, AP?”

“You've got Colin Powell! This is the whole point: you've got him, and you didn't even have to do any "outreach." All you had to do was nominate an African-American and you got Colin Powell.
The Powell endorsement is totally about race.”

“Minorities never do anything for which they have to apologize.”

“The Democrat Party: racist and sexist. I mean, that's what you take away from listening to Obama and Hillary.”


This is the radical Right projection I’m mocking.

Perhaps that may clear a few mines. Not that they won’t stumble back into the field

Jerry Critter said...

"John, I am of the opinion that the basic ideals within the constitution are inspired. There is nothing incompatible with the current constitution and God's will..."

So, TP, we have amendments to the constitution because god changed his/her mind or were there parts of the original document that was not inspired?

John Myste said...

Jerry (Don’t read this, MR. Paine):

We have amendments to the Constitution because many of its Authors supported suppression of women's rights and slave ownership and such. God had to change His mind about those things.

Additionally, though MR. Paine thinks they were inspired by their unified ideas, some of them wanted a Bill of Rights, others not. Some wanted a strong federation, others not. Some thought states had the most rights, others not. Some thought slavery was OK, others less so. They did not think with One Mind, but argued to the death on many points, and the document they approved is one giant compromise.

The God T. Paine thinks endorsed this work compromised with himself, and bitterly. The Founders, blessed by Their Holy Name, did not have a unified vision. MR. Paine, may the Gods bless him, reveres an entity that does not exist now, and never has.

Jerry Critter said...

John,
Maybe all that dissension is just part of "the plan".

T. Paine said...

John, if you will look again at my original comment you will note that I had written that "There is nothing incompatible with the CURRENT constitution and God's will". This means that the amended constitution which protects the rights of ALL Americans is indeed an inspired document.

I think that a good many of the founders would have preferred to have solved the issue of slavery at the time of the ratification of the Constitution. Unfortunately, it would not have come to be if they did not compromise at that time. As unfortunate as that was, we paid a dear cost in blood and treasure in 1861 to 1865 because of it.

The Founders, at least many of them, were on the right path of wanting freedom and our God-given rights of liberty for all to be protected and thus codified in such a document. Too bad that the document is little more than a curiosity to politicians today, particularly to our dear leader.

John Myste said...

MR. Paine,

John, if you will look again at my original comment you will note that I had written that "There is nothing incompatible with the CURRENT constitution and God's will".

I looked again, and it turns out you are correct.

The Founders, at least many of them, were on the right path of wanting freedom and our God-given rights of liberty for all to be protected and thus codified in such a document.

Some wanted this, yes. Others, such as Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson, wanted protection from our God-given mandates, and they also largely got that.

oo bad that the document is little more than a curiosity to politicians today, particularly to our dear leader.

I don't worship the document or its sacred Authors.

T. Paine said...

Myste: "I don't worship the document or its sacred Authors."

Paine: Indeed, and you also do better than most of your fellow political travellers on the left of not deifying our Dear Leader like many of them do. It is one of your endearing qualities, sir.

John Myste said...

I neither deify or demonize, MR. Paine. He is a liberal and I am a liberal. There is nothing horrible about him, but he has flaws, as we all do.

T. Paine said...

He does indeed have flaws: fatal flaws when placed in the position as a leader of a free republic.

He is more interested in spreading the misery by "righting past wrongs" and ensuring that outcomes for everyone are equal, regardless of whether someone earned them, needs them, or is deserving of them. No sir, he is pretty horrible and an anathema to liberty and prosperity for most Americans accordingly.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine to John Myste: "...you also do better than most of your fellow political travellers on the left of not deifying our Dear Leader like many of them do."

and...

John Myste to T. Paine: "He is a liberal and I am a liberal. There is nothing horrible about him, but he has flaws, as we all do."

Mr. Paine, I hardly think those on the left deify Obama. I certainly don't. I tend to think, though, that true liberals view him as the lesser of two evils. There was hardly a choice.

Mr. Myste, I'd hardly categorize the president as a "liberal". He's a corporatist, just doing what he's told to do -- like all presidents in the modern era.

Dave Dubya said...

“Marxist, Muslim, Kenyan, America-hating, Nigger”, etc. are all Right wing words used to demonize Obama. This is the propaganda of the Right.

These, in addition to HR’s claim that liberals “insist racism must be a right-wing phenomenon,” and TP’s claim “most” liberals deify Obama, who is “ensuring that outcomes for everyone are equal” are more of the ideological assumptions I was talking about.

I’ve seen no liberal say such things at this blog. Here’s the truth. Most liberals DO NOT deify Obama. NOBODY says racism exists only on the Right. On the other hand, Limbaugh and the propagandists are the ones assigning racism to the “exclusive province of the left.”

My post attacks that ideological assumption of the radical Right. And we shall attack all such propaganda and hate mongering.

We’ve discussed the Right’s inability to understand liberals and this is a huge reason why. They have created their image of us that disregards reality. In the past few decades, liberals have been demonized more than any group of Americans. FOX(R) and talk radio continue doing it 24/7.

The Right has decided the only way to win power is to employ the propaganda machinery of corporate media to portray their opposition as un-American and evil. How is the characterization of Obama as “dear leader”, as the North Korean tyrant is called, any different than liberals calling Bush/Cheney Nazis?

This kind of blind, divisive, ignorant hate is what is allowing governing power to be taken from our democratic process and handed over to the interests of Big Money. They are, and will be, the only winners in this game.

And when austerity, privation and poverty bury the middle class and poor, guess who will be blamed? Yup, it will be all the liberals’ fault.

The foundation is in place. Hostile, pervasive propaganda against liberals, science, education, unions, and journalism, along with warrantless surveillance, indefinite detention, and permanent war are all here now.

And that demonization and constant war mentality are at the root of fascism. When it arrives, Liberals will be the Jews of the American corporate police state.

The Democratic Party is already too bought and paid for to stand in the way. At best they can only slow the arrival of the inevitable Orwellian corporatist future.

Anyone who believes the Republican Party is the party of the Constitution has been asleep the past dozen years.

John Myste said...

Mr. Myste, I'd hardly categorize the president as a "liberal". He's a corporatist, just doing what he's told to do -- like all presidents in the modern era.

Sorry, MR. Jefferson, but I have to hold that Obama is a liberal. You have to be somewhat corporatist or you cannot get elected, regardless of party. We have super PACs and we live in a plutocracy. That fact does not make Obama un-liberal.

John Myste said...

Dave,

We’ve discussed the Right’s inability to understand liberals

This is a constant gripe of mine to. It is a major problem. I have never met a conservative who understood liberal philosophy, and yet they fight with everything they have to refute the straw man they erect in place of the real philosophy.

I am not sure how to fix this. If you tell them the philosophy, they argue that it is not they philosophy, but the the "real" philosophy is what conservatives say it is. There is really no point in liberals debating conservatives, period. This is a deal-breaking reality break.

John Myste said...

too

Dave Dubya said...

DD,
Holy crap, that last stuff you wrote was some bleak doom and gloom. It may not be written in stone yet. That ugly possibility over the horizon is the very reason why we, the Demonized Defenders of Democracy* take up our cause.

*History buffs will note the inspiration for this alliterative designation was the Battered Bastards of Bastogne. They too were surrounded and outnumbered by enemies of democracy.

John and JG,
Obama, like every president since at least Reagan, must be a corporatist to get on the ballot. He can only be as liberal as the wall of opposition allows. And that aint much.

John,
While I can admit liberals can live in an echo chamber, the Right cannot, or refuse, to see out of their bubble.

free0352 said...

God no don't kill him. Joe Biden is the best life insurance in political history.

S.W. Anderson said...

T. Paine wrote of the Constitution, "Too bad that the document is little more than a curiosity to politicians today, particularly to our dear leader."

There is no factual, rational basis for that statement, especially regarding President Obama.

I assume that's who you were referring to. Then again, it occurs to me you could be referring to Rush Limbaugh. In that case, maybe so.

In any case, to Dave and to all here, happy Thanksgiving. Hope you all have a nice dinner and a great day.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

John Myste: "Sorry, MR. Jefferson, but I have to hold that Obama is a liberal. You have to be somewhat corporatist or you cannot get elected, regardless of party. We have super PACs and we live in a plutocracy. That fact does not make Obama un-liberal."


Mr. Myste, owing to the fact that there are possibly dozens of ways the term "corporatist" can be used, perhaps I should have indicated, instead, that Obama is more a supporter of corporatocracy.

Certainly you may maintain, as most conservatives also do, that Obama is a liberal, but I do not believe that to be the case. His words may indicate as such, however his actions show otherwise. His proclivity to side with those who desire permanent war, with all its structural underpinnings, and to allow and to preside over the dismantling of the middle-class, lends pause to the very notion that the man is a liberal.

As Chris Hedges has argued in his Death of the Liberal Class, it has been social movements which have provided all the true correctives to American democracy in our country's history. Unfortunately, these have been undercut by corporate co-opting of the traditional liberal forces over the last thirty years -- notably the labor unions, the press, churches, universities and the Democratic Party itself -- including this sitting president. To designate him a "liberal", is to denigrate the use of the term itself. Certainly, he's more liberal than the right-wing demagogues who dominate our politics in this era, but he's certainly, by no means, what would be known as a traditional liberal.

I don't know, perhaps our generational differences account for this disagreement in perspective.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Oh, and one more parting thought:

May all the wisdom and understanding of the ages be with all of you this Thanksgiving Day. More than on other days of the year, I know I will be doubly thankful, and grateful, that I don't think like a conservative.

John Myste said...

John and JG,
Obama, like every president since at least Reagan, must be a corporatist to get on the ballot. He can only be as liberal as the wall of opposition allows. And that aint much.


I agree, and not just because you paraphrased what I said .


Dave Dubya said...

SW,
Yes, we know Limbaugh is still the ideological leader of the radical Right. I don't see that changing, and that's good thing.

Free,
Maybe you don't remember Dan Quayle as Bush the First's VP. He was, and still is, quite the out of touch idiot.

And of course, Dick Cheney was the best possible insurance for the Decider, although at times it's clear the Big Dick was often in charge.

JM and JG,
Fro a good discussion on Obama the Liberal:


Why Calling Obama "Progressive" Ignores His Record

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, thanks for the link to Democracy Now. I think it serves my point(s) well.

"CORNEL WEST: Is it progressive to sign the National Defense Authorization Act, in which you can actually detain American citizens with no due process, no judicial process, to assassinate American citizens based on executive power? That’s not—that is authoritarian. That’s autocratic. It’s crypto-fascist. We have to call it for what it is. Drones are war crimes. We have to call it for what it is. That’s the tradition that produced us."

Both gentlemen were accurate in their assessment that greatness comes from being pushed.

It's time to push.

Just My Two Cents said...

Dave Dubya,

What set of axioms has caused you to generate such an accusation that the young woman is a conservative?

You may want to examine your psychological conditioning that has led you to project such an accusation and commit the "False Correlation Fallacy" since you would have by now posted the facts to back it up.

When will you drop the race card and post a topic of substance like the ability of a president to handle an immediate crisis? Hillary talked a big game in 2008 that she would be better at handling the 3AM crisis but its just my 2 cents that she too would have put her head in the sand rather than show leadership and take action with Nov 6 so close. No doubt the fear of a failed rescue caused Obama to punt rather risk saving the 4 Americans.

Dave Dubya said...

JTF,
Well, well. Look who’s expanded his vocabulary. At least you pick up something from liberal blogs.

That’s what we call progress.

However...

There’s still no doubt your thoughts are still formed by FOX(R).

What would cause me to generate an accusation she is racist? What would cause me to generate an accusation you are Right Wing?

Like you, she hates Obama and likes Romney. That is not an axiom. That is evidence by her own words.

Just as your words indicate your politics.

In case you don’t understand, calling out racists is not “playing the race card”.

You still have so much to learn, if only you could comprehend that fact.

Keep trying, sport.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "Well, well. Look who’s expanded his vocabulary."

Not really. It was just early in the day and he wasn't drunk yet.

Malcolm Bondon said...

First off, your alias for the racist who posted on FB is brilliant!

Since I didn't get around to posting about this, I'm glad to see you did. The fact that this woman doesn't think she's a racist doesn't surprise me at all. Instead of trying to deflect, looking the other way or playing the "liberals are racist" card, conservatives (both its media and followers) should be calling this woman out.

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
Drunk or sober, he still doesn't understand the meanings of words he's using.

Malcolm,
Thanks for appreciating my "Aryann humor". Yes, it seems conservatives are more troubled by our calling out racism than the actual racism itself. It's tough to admit racism exists on the Right when their Fearless Leader Limbaugh says only liberals are racist, and Beck says Obama is the racist with a deep seated hatred for white people.

Not a hint of outrage over all that.

Apparently liberalism is even worse than racism to them.