So, what is liberalism again? Is it really that different from progressivism? Democrats need to reclaim both terms because they represent what the radical Right hates almost as much as they despise a Black man kneeling for the National Anthem protesting police brutality. Trump's racists gutted the African Room at the Kennedy Center, and its works of art are missing. "Degenerate art" is what the OG Nazis called it.
This is not liberalism or even conservatism. It is con-servatism.
Later I will define progressive liberals by the words of individual leaders their opponents have vehemently hated.
Teddy Roosevelt was called a progressive. FDR was called a liberal. It requires a lot of nit-picking and quibbling to differentiate between the terms, which have far more overlap than differences. This is why the propagandists of the far Right need to smear and redefine both terms in efforts to divide opposition.
There are no absolute definitions or applications of any political ideology except as dictated by authoritarian leaders. Soviet and Chinese Communism were defined by their dictators. National Socialism was defined by Hitler. MAGA is whatever Trump says it is.
The radical Right must redefine language itself to suit their bigotry and bias.
“Woke” is now whatever the radical Right hates and says it is, from Democrats to drag queens, to trans people, to universities, to the military, or to anyone different from them who wants to live their lives how they choose. The authoritarian personality cannot mind its own business. It must dominate and control everyone else. All of their targets are “woke”. (Governor Ron DeSantis’ lawyers were forced by the court to define “woke.” The lead lawyer described it as “The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”) Authoritarians need to redefine terms in order to keep moving the goalposts and demonizing opposition.
Naturally, they needed to redefine the word “liberal”. It’s now “woke”. And “woke” is very, very bad. Like communism. Like progressivism. Like Democrats.
Since the Clinton Presidency radical Right propagandists met with considerable success in demonizing the word “liberal” to smear everyone to the left of Dick Cheney or Trump. This is the real reason for the Left embracing the term progressive. Nevertheless, the propaganda worked because intelligence is limited and ignorance and stupidity are infinite.
And this is why the Right Wing Authoritarians are now trying to further divide the Left by claiming “Classic liberalism” or corporate neo-liberalism, is fine, but modern liberalism and progressivism are both socialism and communism. Or even fascism. Yes, the desperate lying fanatics of the radical Right go so far as to claim Hitler was a “socialist” because the NAZI Party used the term. Right, as in North Korea is actually the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea?
No president has used Hitler’s playbook more than Trump with his demonization and scapegoating of minorities, white nationalism, his Big Lie, violent coup, and use of secret police and unjust politicized law enforcement. Hitler and Trump share the distinction of being two notable racist criminals who rose to power in flawed democracies. Both Trump and Hitler share the same immorality that imprisons non-violent human beings in unaccountable, cruel, and dehumanizing concentration camps.
The fundamental characteristic of all fascists is the desire to inflict as much punishment as they possibly can on people they hate. This is their idea of “law and order”.
And that is nowhere to be found in progressive liberalism, where law and order is for criminals, not political or personal enemies. We don’t want to imprison non-violent immigrants. We want them to pass citizenship tests and be productive members of society. This is the dreaded “replacement theory” lurking in the white nationalist amygdala. They fear becoming a minority because of how THEY have treated minorities.
At any rate, Liberalism/progressivism must be viewed as a terrible form of tyranny to be hated so much by MAGA, racists, bigots, neo-Nazis, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Christian nationalists, vulture capitalists, and greedy oligarchs. This is why the far Right needs a massive propaganda network to reinforce their hate and lies.
The "con-servative conscience": ICE agent Jonathan Ross, who fatally shot US citizen Renee Good is now a millionaire thanks to a series of online fundraising campaigns launched in the aftermath of the the shootings. He's their kind of guy, as their Dear Leader sets an example of praising, pardoning, and rewarding THUGS for violently attempting a coup for him.
Communism and fascism’s new incarnation in MAGA are the opposite of the ideals of progressive liberalism.
(Just imagine what Lincoln would say of his party falling under the thumb of a cruel racist criminal. "What, did the Confederacy win?)
This paranoid and racist opposition by the far Right is significant in defining progressive liberalism. The RWA’s are antithetical to equal rights, equal justice under law, individual freedom, democracy, and voter rights. In other words, the American ideal of government by, for, and of the people.
Here’s some news for those “con-servative” authoritarians. With notable exceptions like the antidemocratic Senate, electoral presidential elections, and slavery in particular, progressive liberals are more conservative in the sense of supporting our Constitutional provisions for the rule of law and general welfare.
The MAGA Mob will whine about liberal progressives supporting Constitutional public healthcare, public education, public services, taxes, and regulation of commerce as being "socialist evil". Yet they enthusiastically support the most authoritarian, corrupt and criminal president in history. They’re all in with their heroic sex offender and pedophile protector who would deny healthcare and food for the poor as he cuts taxes for billionaires and praises and pardons crooks, thugs, and swindlers like himself.
The Criminal President Trump has pardoned over 70 people convicted of massive fraud against Americans, because he is ONE of the THEM.
Crime pays, especially in service and LOYALTY to the authoritarian regime of the Criminal President.
The proof is in the pudding, folks. This has been the inevitable trajectory of con-servatism since Nixon, who would be dumped into the RINO bin with Reagan were they both alive today. Hell, even the Bushes would be squeezed out of the MAGA party today.
MAGA Con-servativism and deregulated cutthroat capitalism are quite compatible with fascism. The Krupps, BMW, Ford, and other mega-capitalists did well under Hitler’s rule…until it all came down in flames.
And if you indulge me in one more reference the Nazi Fuhrer, let’s note his worst enemy was the very liberal Franklin Delano Roosevelt. That wasn’t very liberal, progressive, or socialist of him, was it?
His presidency is a foundation of American liberalism, found in his New Deal and in his Second Bill of Rights.
I’ll suggest FDR and JFK have defined American liberalism as best as anyone has since their presidencies.
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights:
The
right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or
mines of the nation;
The
right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The
right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will
give him and his family a decent living;
The
right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of
freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The
right of every family to a decent home.
The
right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good
health;
The
right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness,
accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
JFK on being liberal:
“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”
The
next time a fascist MAGA supporter whines about “woke liberals” and “commie
libs”, demand they address the reality of what progressive liberalism actually
is. Tell them it’s rooted in our Constitution. And watch them squirm and twist
into gaslighting pretzel monsters.
27 comments:
So, what is liberalism again Liberalism is like a bunch of Idiots trying to figure out which way is Ip
IMA,
Obviously you didn't READ a damn word I wrote. Literacy challenged MAGA dupes share that problem.
Your understanding of liberalism is about as cogent as your 3rd grade writing skills. LOL!
But we understand. Thinking for yourself is very, very difficult, especially when you have no facts or information in your tool box.
Come back when you grow up and learn to read.
Conservatism, at its very deepest innermost core, is the exploitation and extraction of capital (wealth) from the working producing class and directing its accumulation into the coffers of the top 1%-3% of a society. Today the multi- millionaires, billionaires, and trilionaires of society.
Trickle Down is a myth. A myth to cover the eyes if the working class with propaganda salve so they won't notice and understand the exploitation and extraction for what it is.
What is most astounding is the number of people who willingly (willful ignorance) refuse to see the truth. Even as their own quality of life is being intentionaly diminished by the capital class.
I guess it is true. For many ignorance must indeed be their bliss. Like it's me again above.
Les,
Traditional conservatism has morphed into fascist "con-servatism".
It rots from within and rewards sociopaths.
I just added this to the OP:
The "con-servative conscience": ICE agent Jonathan Ross, who fatally shot US citizen Renee Good is now a millionaire thanks to a series of online fundraising campaigns launched in the aftermath of the the shootings. He's their kind of guy, as their Dear Leader sets their example by praising, pardoning, and rewarding THUGS for violently attempting a coup for him.
“Obviously you didn't READ a damn word I wrote.”
No I never do and never will!
Yes, Me.
I already KNEW that.
And this is why we know you far better than you can ever know us. You are actually PROUD of your IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY.
Open mind v closed mind.
Which do think knows more?
Guess which mentality Trump likes?
Here's a couple clues:
"I love the poorly educated!"
"Smart people don't like me."
Ayup. Conservatism was affected by ROT long ago (following WW I).
With the policies of RWR, and going forward in evey republican administration, the has only deepened and metastasized. Culmination in the election and re-election of the malignant narcissist and fascist authoritarian trump.
Re "democracy" or "democracies"
Any alleged expert or layperson who talks about "democracies" AS IF a real democracy ACTUALLY EXISTS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD (or has existed at any time in 'human civilization') is evidently either a fool who's repeating mindlessly and blindly the propaganda fed to them since they were a kid and/or is a member of the corrupt establishment minions whose job is to disseminate this total lie because any "democracy" of 'human civilization' has always been a covert structure of the rule of a few over the many operating behind the pretense name and facade of a "democracy": https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html
"There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. [...]. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies [...]. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable laws of business. The world is a business [...]." --- from the 1976 movie “Network”
"We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." --- Louis Brandeis, US Supreme Court Justice
“[Reality-based people ] believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore. WE'RE AN EMPIRE NOW, AND WHEN WE ACT, WE CREATE OR OWN REALITY. And while you're studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, ALL OF YOU, WILL BE LEFT TO JUST STUDY WHAT WE DO." --- Former Senior Adviser of the US Empire/Regime, in 2002 (https://archive.is/8wG4Y)
"I've come to realize that the biggest problem anywhere in the world is that people's perceptions of reality are compulsively filtered through the screening mesh of WHAT THEY WANT, AND DO NOT WANT, TO BE TRUE." --- Travis Walton, Author
"Ignorance is the root cause of all Evil. Since only Knowledge eradicates ignorance, it is our duty and moral obligation to educate ourselves, as well as the masses around us." --- Anonymous
Does anyone still not see how the deadly game on the foolish public is played ... or still does not WANT to see it?
Isn't it about time for anyone to wake up to the ULTIMATE DEPTH of the human rabbit hole --- rather than remain blissfully willfully ignorant in a narcissistic fantasy land and play victim like a little child?
"Growing up means realizing that none of the worst villains are in prison." --- Caitlin Johnstone, Independent Journalist (https://archive.ph/zDqoh)
"Elites are afraid of equality, they are afraid of real democracy, and they are afraid of justice." ---Scott Noble, filmmaker
Speaking of ignorance is evil, how can the masses get out of this whole mess? First, EVERYONE needs to learn, and teach others, what true morality is (it's NOT the same as religious morality): https://www.whatonearthishappening.com/news/988-mark-passio-interviewed-by-axel-dahi-2026-04-16
Thank you for sharing some interesting quotes, Stephanie.
Of course there's no absolute democracy in any government.
We have a representative democratic republic, or at least the shell of what one should be.
Stephanie, your intelligent and cogent observations are most refreshing. As well as carrying much wisdom.
Yes, we have been an empire since the close of WW II. And we are now an empire in rapid decline. Acting as all declining empires have always acted. Feeding their own decline and eventual collapse.
Your remedy of realizing true morality, Oor ethical behavior s likely a long way off in the future. If ever.
I am for James Talarico for President!
I haven’t seen such a young charismatic candidate for Dems in 20 years.
In 2006 an unknown young state senator from Illinois named Barack Obama ran for the U.S. Senate and leveraged it into the Presidency.
James Talarico is a young state senator from Texas who is running for the U.S. Senate. I haven’t seen such a religious candidate for the Democrats in my lifetime. He quotes scripture and has a Masters in Divinity Studies.
Talarico is drawing big crowds in Texas and is able to reach across the aisle.
If the dems ever produce a candidate with the spiritual insight of the Dalai Lama, the socio-economic insight of Karl Marx, and the political insight of James Madison they would have a candidate of immense integrity, compassion, and wisdom.
Not in this lifetime I'm fairly certain.
Les,
At least Dems have been supporting our rights instead of taking them away. Dems have followed the law instead of violating them daily. Dems don't start wars. Dems have shown nowhere near the level of corruption and criminality as the Trump Cartel.
The contrast is quite clear. Democrats have the basic human decency the Republicans lack in order for them to enrich and empower the oligarchs, swindlers, sex offenders, and war mongers.
Dems have their personal weaknesses like all humans, but never display the sociopathy of the radical Right.
Dems are simply further along the path to full recognition of human rights for all, economic equality, acceptance of all spiritual traditions (including atheism) as relevant to the individual (community), understanding the deep interconnectedness of beings, are more open minded, and follow the law more consistently.
So, the democratic party is far and away preferable to the republican (trumpublican) cult of sheeple that worship their malignant narcissist cult leader.
However, democrats still support an economic system (capitalism), that by its very design and structure insures deep economic inequality as it continues to drives capital accumulation to the 1% to 3% capital class at the expense of the the 97% to 99% of society.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be voting democratic while realizing the party must change to effect the deep changes the nation truly needs.
Stephanie,
Talarico is a great candidate the Democrats desperately need.
It's important to separate a true Christian like him from the racist MAGA Christian nationalists.
There’s a time in every crook’s life where the mark realizes the game was rigged before he even had the chance to sit down. There is also a time when California voters, meet that moment. The scandal isn’t that the state’s Democrats are “Cheating”. The scandal is that they are the ones who wrote the laws to make sure that the other party isn’t cheating .
There is also a time when the Perfect Crime Becomes the Policy, but the Policy is only One Sided. It’sthe Policy of the Crooked, Socialist, Democratic,Progressive Liberal! And nobody does it better.
However you cannot steal something and do it legally. Except,and thats a very CLEAR “Except, Apparently, in California, You Can. Every element of the state’s election apparatus has been methodically designed by yjr Crooked Democratic legislators and their Crooked Lawyers to ensure maximum ballot production with minimum accountability. It is not an accident. It is not incompetence. It is architecture, like a Sculpture! .
They begin with automatic voter registration. Enter into a California DMV, where they don’t give "One Iota" or even a tiny amount of the smallest possible degree about who they give a License to , but the bottom line is that you’re registered. No citizenship check. No ID verification. Nothing. Not even whether they live there or not. California leads the nation in issuing driver’s licenses to people who are in the country illegally, it dosn’t matter if the the person is equipped with the brains to know the language, or even can read traffic signs! Can’t sign your name, np problem, just make a mark., even an X, Draw a smiley face. There’s a witness line for someone to sign, but no name is required from the witness, only a scribbled signature. And when ballots come back, that witness signature isn’t even checked for authenticity. Officials only confirm that something ( anything) appears in the box. That’s it. That’s the security in California! .
What does matter is those applicants are now able to vote . And that’s all that matters.
Ray,
Your lecture on crooks and crime is laughable. Your IGNORANCE is also on display.
Three facts you don't want to know:
1. US citizenship is required to vote in federal elections. It is illegal for non-citizens to vote in California, or any other state.
2. Half the country has automatic voter registration. In the 2024 presidential election, 17 of the 24 states with automatic voter registration policies voted for the Democratic nominee, six voted for the Republican nominee, and Maine split its electoral college vote.
3. YOU and Trump's pardoned VIOLENT THUGS VOTED FOR A CORRRUPT CRIMINAL to continue his MASSIVE perfect crime spree. (Maybe people who are too stupid to understand that shouldn't be allowed to vote.)
People like YOU are the reason CRIME and Fraud are rewarded for your Corrupt Criminal Trump Cartel. (But you don't want to learn what you don't want to know.)
Ray,
So crime bothers you? But not when Republicans do it?
Do you think there are criminals in the Epstein files?
Why do you support Trump protecting his fellow pedophiles and sex offenders?
You must consider yourself a moral and informed person, right?
Go ahead, now. Impress us.
Ray... we've noted that you're unable to either read, or offer any answers or reasonable contributions to the post or discussion.
Poor Ray isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. That makes him ideal for MAGA indoctrination.
His brain shuts down after regurgitating his indefensible crap. No thinking is required. And he likes it that way.
MAGAs like Ray prefer the trump tool box of ignorance and delusion. It just "feels" right to them. Cause their ignorant and malignant narcissist Moron in Cheif says so. Therefore, there is no need to actually use their grey matter. They just believe.
I’d Prefer ANYONE OTHER THSN A LIBERAL, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE COMMUNIST ‘
Ray,
I've shown you what liberalism really is.
You haven't read it, of course and cannot dispute it's ideals. Conservatism favors ignorance and the ignorant.
MAGA is successfully accomplishing The Dumbing Down of America the republican reichwing and the Christian Nationalists have always desired.
Ray is a glaring example of their success.
Dave, joke of the day, you are ignorant , tell us again what is good about liberalism. simpleton.
Well, Anonymous,
Why should I tell you again? Can't you read??
YOU are ignorant, and a hateful little troll who can't express a cogent thought. You prove it by your inability to read, and to understand anything you don't want to know. You think Trump is telling you the truth. Guess what? He LOST in 2020. Biden won millions of more LEGAL votes. MOST Americans disapprove of him, but you'll never know that, because he is your savior.
See? You're too stupid to see reality. Your cult leader tells you what to believe and who to hate.
But that's OK. We KNOW you NEED a big daddy to make you FEEL superior.
YOU are a reason why Trump said, "I love the poorly educated".
The more stupid you are, the more you think Trump is wise.
Here's what you look and sound like to us: "Libruls dum! ME smart! Trump make Murika grate!"
anymouse @3:05 PM clearly highlighting the republican/Christian Nationalist efforts success in dumbing down of American culture.
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