Wednesday, December 19, 2018

Contrarious Con-servatism: Part Three

Part Three of our chronicle continues with Mr. Paine educating us on the dire threats of liberal hate, Leftist shock troops, teachers' unions, socialism, and communist Muslim racists. 

Oh, my!

Who can save America from this pervasive grip of evil incarnate? Seems Trump is the "only one". 

Alas, the poor rich white president is also a victim. Evil Leftists seemed to have fabricated lies of “Russian collusion”. Trump cronies lying to the FBI about contacts with Russians, "Russia, if you're listening...", and the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents are myths, apparently.

Speaking of Russians, it turns out Mr. Paine's donations to the NRA were spent along with a lot of Russian cash donations to the NRA to elect Trump as well. "Real Americans", amirite? 

We do have the good fortune to have him share his deep understanding of the Constitution and the founders' "true intent".  Leave it to yours truly to point to the fact the founders actually had disagreements. We also learn that we obtuse libs cannot grasp the nature of what a republic is. Sigh.

I was informed, in Mr. Paine's esteemed judgment, that I am guilty of "spewing hateful racist crap and propaganda". I am also accused of promoting "revisionist history". Evidence supporting such accusations is absent for some reason. That's just how they roll. (We'll have to excuse Mr. Paine for missing the racially charged Nation of Islam/Farrakhan remarks from his sidekick that I previously addressed.)

Join us again, as we take on the critical issues of our time, and learn who is really to blame for everything bad in our country. 


T. Paine:
Half of the time, I am not even sure with whom Mr. Dubya is debating. He references things that were not said by me and simply applies his Left/Hate filter into what he assumes his political adversaries “really mean”, all the while complaining that we put words and thoughts into THEIR heads. He decries hate while spewing nothing but hate. He decries the mean spiritedness of the GOP, and sometimes with valid points, and yet NEVER acknowledges this from his own beloved Leftist shock troops, let alone from himself. When this is pointed out, he projects his own snowflake victimization on the Right. Waah, indeed!

Next, I never mentioned Farrakhan, so again I don’t know with whom he is arguing; however, some Leftists are indeed communist Muslim racists. That does not make up the entirety of the left though.

Continuing, despite the hateful racist crap Mr. Dubya continues to spew with his propaganda, I never once mentioned white supremacy or “dreaded brown invaders”. Of course in the Leftist world where America is almost always at fault, we should simply welcome people climbing our border walls, throwing rocks and debris at our border guards, and simply open the gates and allow them asylum. Dispersing a riot on our national border with tear gas, as has been done for decades in such circumstances, even by Leftist messiah Obama, as a non-lethal alternative is an unforgivable sin to them. One wonders what the omnipotent Dubya would have the border patrol do? Lay down their arms and welcome these people in without any further consequences? Perhaps he can share his home with some of these otherwise law-abiding folks.

Moving on, I never claimed Trump doesn’t have an agenda. He absolutely does. Some aspects of it are even beneficial to America. (Perhaps that is part of their frustration.) That said, I agree that parts of his agenda are very bad. That doesn’t erase the fact that a vast majority of our schools are staffed with teachers that are incompetent in the subjects which they teach or are presenting their subjects with a decidedly biased leftist bent. That is not supposition but fact. The NEA is one of the most powerful unions in the nation and is comprised overwhelmingly of leftist teachers. Hell, even look at the curriculum in our schools and colleges today and your will see the PC and identity politics influence throughout. Hell, more millennials think that George. W. Bush is responsible for more deaths than Stalin, Lenin, or Hitler. A recent study showed more of them preferred socialism and communism over capitalism while being ignorant of the hundreds of millions of people killed under the former regimes just in the 20th century alone. Does that speak of teachers doing a good job in educating our students?

Next, Mr. Dubya realizes on paper that America is a republic but evidently has no idea what that really means. The founders structured our government with checks and balances and filters to limit direct democratic influence, as they knew that many people did not have the time nor education on the issues and candidates to always render informed votes if we were a pure democracy. This is why we have SCOTUS members APPOINTED by the president rather than elected. It is why we originally had our U.S. Senators appointed by our states’ legislatures before the progressive hysteria and yellow journalism of the likes of William Hearst prompted the passing of the 17th amendment. If we were to repeal the 17th amendment and have state legislatures appoint our U.S. Senators once again, I dare say we would have a federal government more responsive to states issues and rights once again, instead of the smaller and often redundant version of the House of Representatives that the senate has now become. (The House, by the way, was the only federal body where direct democratic elections were desired by the founders.) Finally, we have the electoral college as a filter in our presidential elections so that the potential tyranny of large states would not outweigh the small states in all matters. If we were to repeal the electoral college, as our leftist friends currently want, then presidential elections would be decided by only a handful of states such as California, New York, Texas, Florida, and Illinois. No candidate would waste time, money, or effort outside of those states. The other 40 to 45 states in the union and their wishes would be neglected or ignored. Of course this is okay with the left since most of the big states are also leftist bastions of socialism and failed policies.

Yes, we must always have the consent of the governed, but it should be an informed consent and protection of the rights of the minority cannot be sacrificed in doing so. These filters that our founders so brilliantly provided for us ensure that our rights remain for ALL Americans. Mr. Dubya should perhaps spend some time reading James Madison’s Federalist Paper 51, since Madison was the primary author of our United States Constitution. Perhaps then he will acknowledge the fear of our founders regarding the “tyranny of the majority” if we were to be a Democracy instead of a republic protecting everyone’s rights.

“The founders NEVER equated democracy with mob rule. This is a far Right con-servative propaganda lie.” ~ Dubya

So is this “lie” born out of Dubya’s ignorance or perhaps out of a leftist agenda… or both?

Oh, and to further discount Dubya’s inaccurate revisionist history evidently taught to him by leftist or incompetent teachers, the electoral college was not simply a tool for the “racist” south to gain power. It was done so small states, including in the north like Rhode Island and Delaware, would not be overrun in our government by large states like Virginia and New York. It was the reason we had created a bicameral congress with a Senate where each state has two senators, regardless of its size, while the House was apportioned according to the states’ population.

Of course we have intellectual bastions on the left like Joy Behar complaining about more Republicans winning senate races because of gerrymandering. Evidently she doesn’t realize that state boundaries cannot be arbitrarily moved for elections. Every eligible voter residing in that state gets to vote for their senators. And to think that Behar is “educating” millions of women that watch The View with her crap.

And again, I stated on this very blog that the Senate was wrong for not holding a hearing on Obama’s SCOTUS nomination. Evidently you are mad at other conservatives besides me on that issue.

Lastly, if one’s political opposition is ACTUALLY guilty of crimes that are proven in a court of law, shouldn’t that person be imprisoned? Or does that only apply if they are a Republican? I find it amazing the reasons the left will create to excuse wrongdoing of great degrees by their own while having to create lies of “Russian collusion” in an attempt to overthrow a duly elected president, WHOM I DID NOT VOTE FOR! Who is truly a member of a cult and lacking in decency there? Indeed!!!
December 5, 2018

Dave Dubya:
Mr. Paine,

Thank you for your thoughts. I’m sorry you see only hate in my remarks. None intended, but I sense you regard strong disagreement and information counter to your assertions, accusations, and beliefs as hate. No evidence based rebuttal was offered.

I never once mentioned white supremacy or “dreaded brown invaders”. . Not in those words. Your wording was, “the Left fails to denounce is the real foreign influence in our voting process, as millions of illegal aliens try to storm our borders...” Last I recall, those who “storm our borders” are invaders. Correct me if I am mistaken. This is not hate.


“Leftist shock troops” Really? Are they too, “storming our borders?” The accusation is vague with no evidence cited again. I have always denounced violence from antifa, and anyone else, but this fact cannot impact a cemented ideological belief.

“Lies of Russian collusion”? Again, no evidence cited. The Trump tower meeting with Russian agents really happened. Jr. was thrilled to get Russian info on Hillary.

Drama aside, let’s focus on facts, please.

After all this talk about the Constitution, I can’t help but wonder if you are familiar with the Emoluments clause...

Here is what we fought for, and what today’s progressive patriots continue to fight for:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Declaration of Independence valued “Consent of the governed” as our highest ideal, to secure our equality, and rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Sometimes our Constitution failed to meet these values and ideals.

The founders were people, therefore flawed. They understood the Constitution could also be flawed, and therefore open amendment, didn’t they?

The Constitution begins with “We the people”, not “We the wealthy” or “We the corporations” or even “We the states”.

We the people in our modern age have access to more information than early citizens, so the founders’ electoral justification that there would be remote uninformed voters no longer applies.

We the people are the governed. It is a democratic republic with elected leaders. When the leaders rig the elections to favor a minority in power, they are at war with representative democracy.

The Party of Trump has become “destructive of these ends”. The Senate is innately destructive to these ends. Gerrymandering is destructive to these ends. Voter suppression is destructive to these ends. The sabotage of Sore Loser Republicans in North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Michigan are very much destructive to these ends. These are all attacks on democracy, our right to representation, and the consent of the governed.

Nobody is advocating a pure democracy of votes on every law and rule. We accept democratic representation for this, not mob rule, as the radical Right smear machine would have us believe.


The electoral college was forged from the pits of slavery, NOT Rhode Island. In fact Rhode Island was not even represented in the Committee of Eleven that fabricated the Electoral College:

Abraham Baldwin (GA)
David Brearly (NJ)
Pierce Butler (SC)
Daniel Carrol (MD)
John Dickinson (DE)
Nicholas Gilman (NH)
Rufus King (MA)
James Madison (VA)
Gouvernour Morris (PA)
Roger Sherman (CT)
Hugh Williamson (NC)

Seven of the eleven were slave states. In 1789 only Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and New Hampshire were not slave states.

As noted by Time Magazine:

Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”  In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

Virginia emerged as the big winner—the California of the Founding era—with 12 out of a total of 91 electoral votes allocated by the Philadelphia Constitution, more than a quarter of the 46 needed to win an election in the first round. After the 1800 census, Wilson’s free state of Pennsylvania had 10% more free persons than Virginia, but got 20% fewer electoral votes.

Perversely, the more slaves Virginia (or any other slave state) bought or bred, the more electoral votes it would receive.”

Now for our common ground:

”Yes, we must always have the consent of the governed, but it should be an informed consent and protection of the rights of the minority cannot be sacrificed in doing so.”

Agreed. The problem is the minority is chiseling at the voting and representation rights of the majority now.

And I agree we have a problem with education. The Right’s ideological war on unions, teachers and public education is a big reason education is falling short. Often textbooks must be approved and edited by conservatives, not teachers. In Texas they are calling slaves “immigrants”, revising the Civil War, and erasing Hillary Clinton and Helen Keller from history.
December 5, 2018
December 6, 2018

Dave Dubya:
I'm thankful for one last opportunity to share a couple points of common ground with Mr. Paine. I'm a uniter, not a divider.


U.P. Tim said...

Very good, Dave. The mentions of rigged elections favoring the minority, the Senate, gerrymandering and voter suppression all hit the current state of affairs on the head. It truly is an attack on our democracy. I was pissed today, so I emailed our outgoing Sore Loser Republicon State senator a good riddance note. I let him know what they are doing in Lansing trying to take power away from the newly elected Governor, Sec. of State and AG is evil and anti-democratic. He was term limited, but our district still elected another Republicon to replace him. He could even be worse. He played a big part in the fiasco that went on at the VA in Grand Rapids some years back. He is just about as evil and anti anything good for the people. He is truly hitched to the big money donors. He had proved it while he was in the State House a few years ago.

Dave Dubya said...

Mr. Paine can hardly conceal his MAGA credentials. He may not have voted for Trump, but he supports him, and defends him against the "collusion lies" made up by us nasty America-hating liberals.

We're old enough to remember when America stood for fair elections and a modicum of representative democracy. Now an entire party is so corrupt and evil they are led by a treasonous dolt and have become the vote suppressing internal enemies of democracy and our Constitution.

Hell, yes, they are evil. If you support a liar, and a racist, and a man undermining and destroying our nation's institutions, AND being a puppet of Putin, you are supporting evil.