Sunday, August 5, 2018

Katy Tur Speaks To Evil


Trump made his intentions, and his authoritarian tactics, clear: "I do it to discredit and demean you all, (News media) so when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you."

Journalists who report his lies and the truth he denies, are accused of being the "enemy of the people". This is the lowest depth any president has ever sunk to in the history of the nation. It is down at the very bottom, along with supporting Putin's disinformation campaign by siding with him against two bi-partisan Senate committees, the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the CIA. 

“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

This Orwellian "Ministry of Truth" tactic is at the heart of his war on facts, the press, and dissent. 

Now Trump's fascistic attacks on the press and First Amendment are agitating his thug followers into a growing menace.  

Angry mobs shout their anger, hatred and insults at newsmen covering his rallies, as he raves from the podium that they are "horrible, horrendous people." 

There is only one fitting word for all this hate, blame and false accusation from a would-be tyrant. That word is evil. 

Spreading hate is evil. He is an evil man. End of discussion.

MSNBC anchor Katy Tur recently spoke out for journalism and human decency.

Yeah, we get it, you don’t like us. Fine. But do you have to put our lives in danger?

The president continues to call the press the enemy of the people, even after four journalists and one sales assistant were shot dead in a Maryland newsroom by a man who was angry with what they factually reported about him.

Even after the publisher of The New York Times stressed to him in a private conversation that his words were putting journalists in mortal danger. Even after CNN white house reporter Jim Acosta was shouted down and taunted in a rally the other night in Florida.

Sadly, the harassment and threats are not stopping, What you do not see are the nasty letters or packages or emails, the threats of physical violence. ‘I hope you get raped and killed,’ one person wrote to me just this week.

“Raped and killed". Not just me, but a couple of my female colleagues, as well.

In case you want to argue this has nothing to do with the president, the most recent note I got ended with MAGA.

It is both surreal and ominous that this even needs to be said in this country. 

Our free press is not the enemy of the people. 

Trump and the Party of Trump are the enemy of the people, the enemy of democracy, and the enemy of truth.

God bless Katy. And God damn Trump, for his vile evil against her, and against her peers, and against human decency, against the truth, and against our country.


148 comments:

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"God bless Katy. And God damn Trump, for his vile evil against her, and against her peers, and against human decency, against the truth, and against our country." ~~ Dave Dubya

Donald Trump is pure evil. Those who support him are followers of evil; they're the purveyors of his evil and untruths. Evil sickness like this only begets more evil sickness -- the sickness that's borne of ignorance, of stupidity, of lies and alternative realities.

Yes, our Civil War -- 2.0 -- sits on the horizon, complements of Donald Trump.

The opposite of Abraham Lincoln's sworn duty to bring unification to a split nation in tumoil, Donald Trump divides and separates.

Abraham Lincoln sought what's best for a ravaged union. Donald Trump seeks what's best for oligarchs and himself. He divides.

Donald Trump is "the Divider".

Ex Con servative said...

He is most definitely the "Divider in Chief." Straight out of the Republican playbook his tactics are. He is also just downright mean, ignorant, and yes, this translates into evil.

Some of his followers are actually decent people, but gullible and ignorant also. But it just doesn't matter anymore....there is no excuse to support somebody like this.

What a bunch of fools they are. Too bad they might take us down with them.

Majormajor said...

I could post historical facts about leftist threats and attacks towards Fox news and their reporters. I could post examples of other President's attacks on the media. I could bring up the left wing Bernie Sanders follower attempting to murder Republican members of the House. I could bring up the physical assaults on GOP Senators by liberal Democrats. I could ask if George Soros is an oligarch. But I won't.

Because JG will demand sources and then when provided, will ignore them, and DD will claim the facts are Trump lies, or a conservative racist plot. So why bother posting the truth here. There is little room for it on this blog.

Dave Dubya said...

Majormajor,

Every decent liberal will condemn the violence and threats you wish to invoke.

You could post all the false equivalence, deflection, distraction, and whataboutism you have. None of it excuses Trump's unprecedented hate, lies, and evil.

You COULD say any damn thing you want, or more accurately any damn thing the Party of Trump would say. You're able to regurgitate any lie and propaganda point from the far Right. You are able to distort, demean, distract and deflect endlessly. It is all you are able to say.

What you are UNABLE to say is most telling.

You are unable to admit Trump is a hateful liar. You are unable to admit Trump is wrong. You are unable to admit Trump's war on the press and the truth is evil and un-American. You are unable to admit Trump's evil and cowardly siding against two bi-partisan Senate committees, the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the CIA was a gift to Putin.

Why?

Because none are more loyal to that hate, to that dishonesty, to that treachery, and to that evil than you are.

You own that evil. It is as part of you, as you are part of it.

Ex Con servative said...

This isn't about whether there have been instances of leftist threats, or displeasure of the media voiced by past presidents, or if there have even been instances of physical acts against Republicans. It's about the level of it, and the intensity. To equate what is going on today to what the left has done...the AMOUNT of lies, violence, deceit, and fraud, and even play the victim card, is downright irresponsible, and fraudulent. Dave is right, almost all liberals do condemn these acts. The right does just the opposite as a whole.

What is happening now is what the core of the Republican party has been about forever. These tactics are the only way they can keep power. With Fox and and Limbaugh as their mouthpieces, they convince enough average Joe's to support their CRAP, and get them angry at the wrong people...aka liberals, minorities, poor people, the government, etc.

I'm embarrassed to say I remember a time in 2000, when I was one of the angry ones, yelling over people because I was convinced by our local right wing talk show clown that the left was trying to steal the presidential election from Bush...wow. Oh well, that was then.

Majormajor said...

"Every decent liberal will condemn the violence and threats" I guess you not a decent liberal since you have not condemned any specific violence committed by the left.

Your answer does not surprise me as it is your typical deflection. You DD, are a willing useful fool of the left by omission if not commission. Show me your post condemning any violence committed by the left. Show me were you have condemned the left attacking the press..crickets.

Your claim of "whataboutism" is your way to avoid dealing with the violence and treason of today's left. Either you know better or you are dumb as a rock and aren't aware of the true story. You pick which one.

I'm going to use your "approved" answers in the future, "I'm opposed to all violence, I'm opposed to all racism, I'm opposed to all lying, I'm opposed to all foreign interference in any political party or any election, including those local elections which allow non citizens to vote."

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Because none are more loyal to that hate, to that dishonesty, to that treachery, and to that evil than you are.

You own that evil. It is as part of you, as you are part of it.
" ~~ Dave Dubya

Amen.

It's the real disease that infects his body and soul. He'll carry it to his grave.

Dave Dubya said...

MM,
I guess you not a decent liberal since you have not condemned any specific violence committed by the left.

Name a specific act of violence and I will condemn it. I have condemned the destruction by protesters. I certainly condemned the baseball field shooter.

Your problem is the vast majority of political violence is from the Right; Church shootings, murder of doctors, hate crimes, ramming a crowd with a car, etc. Liberals don't do these things.

These and Trump's incitements, accusations, and lies are what you ignore and cannot condemn.

You can say you oppose racism, but you voted for a racist. You can say you oppose lying, but you never admit Trump is a liar. You are projecting YOUR tolerance of hate, violence and lies unto me and liberals.

All you had to say was, "Gee, Dave, those threats and lies and acts of violence are terrible and inexcusable, even from conservatives."

But you didn't. Instead you went to the attack on liberals, for committing less violence and fewer acts of hate.

This shows your embrace of the same hate and lies. You own that evil. It is as part of you, as you are part of it.



Dave Dubya said...

JG,
The civil war is over. They won. Democracy is defeated. Consent of the governed is finished. Sure, it's possible a miraculous voter turnout for the next six elections or so can reverse that victory, but it would be just that; a miracle. Bill Clinton, our best Republican president, sealed the deal with his blatant corporatism, neoliberalism, and pandering to wealth. He made the Democrats a Republican Lite Party to the detriment of our democracy. Obama shares the same guilt, but to a lesser degree. He was a charismatic candidate but a poor leader, unable to grasp the hate and venom against him and duped into believing they would compromise. His capitulation on the Supreme Court was his last worst failure.

Ex Con,
You experienced the diseased ideology of the CRAP from the inside, and later from our perspective from the outside. Majormajor will NEVER begin to understand you now, but you totally understand him.

He has nothing to say to you. I think that irritates him to no end.


Jefferson's Guardian said...

"[Majormajor] has nothing to say to [Ex Con servative]. I think that irritates him to no end." ~~ Dave Dubya

It's because Ex Con servative knows the conservative mind from the inside, out. He has been there. Who better to know the chinks in Majormajor's armor, right?

Majormajor said...

As expected DD slime's his way out of his support for leftist violence by demanding specific examples after saying he opposed all violence in general.
JG has yet to acknowledge the black pastors praising President Trump, as usual he just ignores the fact and attacks the presenter.


New Russian (drink) campaign to trick Democrats in 2018 elections

There is evidence that the Russians (drink) are already trying to interfere with the 2018 elections. The National Intelligence Agency has found evidence that the Russians (drink) have begun a massive campaign of subversive billboard advertising to undermine the Democratic Party in the 2018 elections.

Billboards across the country funded by covert untraceable contributors are advertising that the GOP (Republican Party) is the political party of communism.

"This is very confusing to our voters, many of whom will now vote for the GOP rather than for us," said one concerned Democratic Party officer. "We are certain that as a consequence of this Russian (drink) influence operation, our base will switch parties and vote Republican in the mistaken belief that the GOP supports Soviet-style totalitarian socialism."

"As a result of this election fraud, many of our supporters who usually vote for the destruction of America, will instead be tricked into voting for a strong America. We cannot allow this to happen," a Democratic intelligence source told CNN.

The Democratic Party has called for a formal investigation into these new dirty tricks aimed to undermine our democracy."

Margaret
8/2/2018, 5:42 pm

Majormajor said...

Gee Dave "I'm opposed to all violence, I'm opposed to all racism, I'm opposed to all lying, I'm opposed to all foreign interference in any political party or any election, including those local elections which allow non citizens to vote."

Dave Dubya said...

MM,
Putin and his Puppet thank you for your service.

Still nothing to say to Ex-Con? Imagine that.

Doesn't he need your guidance as a lost sheep?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"JG has yet to acknowledge the black pastors praising President Trump, as usual he just ignores the fact and attacks the presenter." ~~ Majormajor

Chuck, you're barkin' up the wrong tree. Why do you think I'd believe or trust any so-called Christian pastors -- black, white or otherwise?

It's been my experience that evangelical Christians, especially "men of the cloth", will say or do anything to obtain funding to line their pockets. I'm sure Trump made sure it was worth their time and trouble.

As you might guess, I think most are fake Christians -- not unlike you.

Majormajor said...

jG,

Your words "Chuck, please cite your source(s). I find this unbelievable."

I listed them for you and and now you're parroting DD's response. So typical of you.

Hey guys, where does it say I have to respond to EX-Con-Now Loser?

This will turn your hair gray, assuming you still have hair.

My Harvard Speech in Retrospect
By Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

June 7, 2018 10:38 AM

www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/06/25/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn-harvard-commencement-speech-reflections/

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Having pastors of black churches, who most black Americans had never heard of before they joined the Trump campaign, support a president who most black Americans think is racist is not going to change black voters' views of Trump. Aggressively speaking out against racism and implementing policies that aim to decrease gaps between how black and white people experience the United States is what is most likely to change black voters' perspective of the man most Americans consider the most divisive president in modern history." ~~ Eugene Scott, The Washington Post, 8/3/2018

Chuck, and I'll use a phrase you used, where does it say I'm obligated to believe a con-job just because I tell you something you claim is unbelievable and I ask you to cite your sources?

Requesting source citation doesn't equate to, "Yes, I'll believe you, or what happened, if you reference where you found the information."

Whatever gave you the impression that it did?

It merely means the person, me in this case, found your claim unbelievable (which I told you I did, and I still do) and wanted you to substantiate your remarks.

You did, and I thank you for it, but it doesn't provide the reliance of proof that what those pastors said was what they felt in their hearts. To me, it was just another campaign stop for Trump where the actors were paid to play the parts.

No more, but much less. But you already knew this.

Majormajor said...

JG

You wanted sources, I gave you three.
You chose to not believe

Kind of says it all about you.

Dave Dubya said...

MM: where does it say I have to respond to EX-Con-Now Loser?

You just did. You accused him of being a loser for no reason. Instead of offering facts that would show the error of his thinking, you had to insult him.

This is what far Right hate always does.

Kind of says it all about you.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"You wanted sources, I gave you three. You chose to not believe." ~~ Majormajor

It's not that I don't believe the sources of the reports, I just don't belive the fake Christian pastors.

My prerogative, correct?

You have your "fake news"; I believe there are fake Christians -- Christians in name only. Like you! ;-)

Majormajor said...

Good DD, then the issue of responding to EX-Con-Loser is settled.

Here is some more news of the violent anti-Trump mob that Dave will say is fake news, and JG will ask for my sources.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/08/06/sikh-man-attacked-told-to-go-back-to-your-country-in-stanislaus-county/

"Malhi has been active in the Turlock community for years, raising thousands for homeless and fire victims, using trucks from his trucking company to deliver supplies. He’s a strong supporter of the Republican Party. The campaign signs he placed that night were for Congressman Jeff Denham and other members of the Stanislaus County GOP."

TB3 said...

...just cause he was putting up signs for GOP and was attacked, you think he was attacked by anti-Trumpers? They spraypainted his truck with Stormfront logos. I am fairly certain this man was attacked cause he is Sikh, not because he's Republican.

Majormajor said...

JG,

Dave says I should have "offered facts that would show the error of his (Ex-CON) thinking, you had to insult him".

Should you be "offering facts that would show the error of" the Black Pastors ways? After all you did insult them and me by calling us fake Christians. Please offer facts showing the error of our ways.

Majormajor said...

Really, did you read the complete article? I bet the violent leftist spray painted Stormfront logos to deflect their true ids.

U.P. Tim said...

I agree with you guys that Trump is pure evil. Pres. Obama at least had some moral character and is a good father. He was a poor and weak leader and was deluded into thinking that Mitch "the turtle" McConnell and John Boehner would deal with him. Pres. Obama always seemed to give-up half the farm before he even started negotiations. Remember Chained CPI and a willingness to screw people on Social Security. Obama was trying to get the elusive Grand Bargain that never occurred. Who gives a shit about pro-Trump black pastors seen on TV spewing bullshit out of their asses ? I know I've seen too many of them over the last two years or so. They are just like their leader the " Lying A-hole-in-Chief " and have no moral values either.

It's that time of year again with the Pure Michigan 400 on 8/12/18. I'm getting ready to make my pilgrimage and head to Jackson tomorrow.

Majormajor said...

Watch: Leftist Mob Screams At, Throws Drink On TPUSA’s Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens

*Warning for language and whistles*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=bO74OEDyTt4

JG needs more proof, LOL

Does Dave condemn? Crickets.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, I ask for references because you're prone to plagerism, and dishonestly only pasting the portions to support your weak positions.

Always cite your sources. Your doctorate son would agree with me.

As for the pastors who support Donald Trump, I insult them because their hypocrisy insults me -- just as yours does.

Majormajor said...

JG, skipping work today?

Majormajor said...

JG,

What makes the black pastors hypocrites?

They report what they have seen and experienced?

Dave Dubya said...

MM,
I also condemn drink throwing. The same is true for pantsing and swirlies.

Tim,
If evil isn't called, condemned and opposed it will gain more triumphs and power over our country.

Have fun at the race. Pass on my greetings to our "Jolly Grumpus".

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"What makes the black pastors hypocrites?" ~~ Majormajor

I thought it was very apparent. Do I need to draw a picture for you, Chuck?

The same reason that I believe you to be a hypocrite, of course.

If following and supporting a racist is Christ-like, why would I want to be a Christian? Where's the joy in that?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"JG, skipping work today?" ~~ Majormajor

Why, are you the truant officer? LOL

Chuck, you sure do have a fascination with whether I work, and more specifically, whether I'm working when I force-feed your lies and distortions back down your throat.

Don't let it bother you Chuck. Believe me, I'm very good at what I do. Nobody's getting cheated.

By the way, ask your son whether he's familiar with plagerism. If he truly received a PhD, he'll know, exactly, how serious a charge it is in academics.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!" ~~ Donald Trump, Twitter, 8:35 AM - Aug 5, 2018

Busted! Self-incriminating jackass-in-chief!

He threw his "wonderful son" under the bus. I suppose the senile bastard forgot the meeting was about "adoptions".

"Totally legal and done all the time in politics..." Well, no it isn't, Mr. Trump, not when it involves foreign nationals.

Quick, Chuck, hide his cellphone!

Oh, and this was the clincher...

"I did not know about it!"...only my wonderful son did!

LOLOL

Majormajor said...

An Antifa protest in Berkeley became violent on Sunday when members of the group smashed the windows of a Marine Corps recruiting office. A series of photos posted on Twitter show Antifa members, self-styled anti-facists who use violence to oppose those they identify as fascists, racists or right wing extremists, destroying the windows of the Shattuck Avenue office.

Waiting for Dave to condemned this violence.

JG,

Seem to recall this is something Trump told us last year, nothing here to see.

Leave my family out of this.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Seem to recall this is something Trump told us last year, nothing here to see." ~~ Majormajor

"Seem to recall", like your senile-minded demagogue-in-chief, or "do recall"?

Be definitive, Chuck.

Chuck, please source for me where Trump admitted, last year, the June 2017 meeting in Trump Tower was a get-together to unearth information on a "political opponent".


"Leave my family out of this." ~~ Majormajor

Why, Chuck, would your son be embarrassed by your unwavering support for our racist and treasonous president?

I have a feeling he would be.

Majormajor said...

JG,


When you sober up, look it up your self.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"When you sober up, look it up your self." ~~ Majormajor

Chuck, you're the dry-drunk, not me. I can drink and stop when I want.

No, you look it up. You made the claim. Back it up.

Majormajor said...

JG

More fake drunk news from you.

No, if you want to prove me wrong, look it up yourself, if not it stands as fact.

P.S. It's not a claim, it's the truth and a fact.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"No, if you want to prove me wrong, look it up yourself, if not it stands as fact." ~~ Majormajor

You're the one making the claim, Chuck. If I challenge your claim, it's up to you to provide evidence supporting your claim. That's how it works in the legal arena, also.

Of course I suppose you may be totally ignorant of how this process works since you're a Trump cultist. Ya' know, not believing in the rule of law and all...and claiming "alternative facts".

It's alright, Chuck. I'll wait. My boss doesn't mind either. ;-)

TB3 said...

"Really, did you read the complete article? I bet the violent leftist spray painted Stormfront logos to deflect their true ids. " -- MM

Yes. I read the complete, very short article. I also watched the short, broadcast segment they had imbedded in the article. In the televised segment, they show the poor man's truck and it has Stormfront logos spraypainted on it. And you bet violent leftists did it to deflect from their true ids? 1) That's a pretty poor way of attacking a GOPer and getting their Progressive message across and 2) Just call a spade a spade, MM. Stop trying to score points. Racists attacked a sikh man because he was a sikh. You do yourself no favors and convince no one when you pretend otherwise.

Majormajor said...


TB3
There is no evidenced to prove the attack wasn't done by leftist disguised as Stormfront members. I'm using the DD tactic of assumption, as they did with the black pastors.

JG,
Look it up yourself, I will no longer provide you sources after providing you the lack pastors sources.

TB3 said...

"There is no evidenced to prove the attack wasn't done by leftist disguised as Stormfront members. I'm using the DD tactic of assumption, as they did with the black pastors."

You're being a seven year old and blatantly making things up. You're not even attempting to appear credible. You're not even attempting to have conversation in good faith. What is the point of your comments? You're not proving anything. You're not pointing out perceived hypocracy. You're making false equivilances and making stuff up. You're not changing JG or DD's mind. You're even doing a piss poor job of derailing this conversation, cause you're just feeding content to DD for his next blogpost. The man in the article you linked was attacked for wearing a turban and you say "I bet the violent leftist spray painted Stormfront logos to deflect their true ids." I bet they were bigots who didn't even have a clue about the names on those political signs being from the GOP. They saw a brown person wearing a turban and attacked him because they were racist A-Holes emboldened by the current climate of white supremacy.

And like a broken clock that's right twice a day, I quote:

"P.S. It's not a claim, it's the truth and a fact."

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Look it up yourself, I will no longer provide you sources after providing you the lack [?] pastors sources." ~~ Majormajor

It's okay, Chuck, your refusal to back your claim forfeits your chance to score the point.

Game...set...match! I win!

Don't forget, Chuck...

What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.” ~~ Donald Trump, July 2018

What an imbecile. LOL

By the way, what does your son think about Donald Trump? Is he a Trumpie, also? I'm guessing not, and I'm also guessing you get into lots of disagreements with him.

Chuck, am I right?

TB3 said...

Speaking of bigotry:
https://wtop.com/virginia/2018/08/marine-kicked-out-of-marine-corps-for-role-in-charlottesville-white-supremacist-march/

Dave Dubya said...

Anyone see the pics of CRAPists wearing T-shirts saying, "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat"?

They think they are the patriotic ones, yet they are already Russian agents along with Putin's Puppet.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

TB3, the loonie white supremacists are holding their one-year Charlottesville encore performance this coming weekend, although they've selected D.C. as their venue this time.

Somehow it was leaked they were going to have special accommodations with their own dedicated train cars on our Metro system here, but the union operators squelched their plan and refused to work the trains if this special provision was allowed.

Anyway, the train stop they've selected as the rendezvous spot to travel into D.C. is the train station I always use. I would normally be attending as a counter-protester, but I'm leaving tomorrow for a visit to see my shaman in the southwest.

It's a choice between spiritual renewal and sustaining democracy, I guess. I wish it didn't have to be.

Expect more violence from the extreme right and alt-right, in Northern Virginia and D.C. this weekend. They're too stupid, apparently, to realize this isn't Charlottesville. D.C. will not be as accommodating of their racist hate and bigotry.

TB3 said...

Yeah, JG. I heard about that. Let them ride the train with the general population. Think of it as an exercise in the marketplace of ideas.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"'I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat'?" ~~ T-shirt, as seen by Dave Dubya

Chuck, do you agree with these sentiments? Would you prefer being a Russian over being a member of the Democratic Party?


"Let them ride the train with the general population." ~~ TB3

Absolutely. I guarantee they will not be burning their tiki torches and acting with the bravado of egotistical immature teenagers.

They'll be met with a wall of resistance -- surrounded, if need be. It'll be the only wall they'll see in the age of Trump.

Dave Dubya said...

Happy Trump voters?

CNN:
A South Carolina company plans to lay off almost all its workers — 126 people — because of the Trump administration's tariffs.

Element Electronics, which assembles televisions, notified the state of the expected job cuts earlier this week. The company also plans to close its plant in the town of Winnsboro.

The company said the layoffs and plant closure were a direct result of US tariffs on goods imported from China, including important parts that Element uses to put together TVs.

The layoffs will begin in October. By the end of the year, a skeleton crew of eight people will be left, the company said.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

I'm sure the stooge-in-chief will take care of 'em, Dave, like with the soybean farmers in the Midwest.

Subsidize them.

TB3 said...

"Subsidize them."

Can't. That's evil socialist Nazi communism. Gotta pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Especially when the federal government meddles in the markets like this.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

TB3, you know "our Donald". He has no ideology -- other than what feels good at the time...which is usually just plain stupidity.

That's why he appeals to the imbeciles.

I just pulled into Tucson. Having lunch and a local brew.

Hey Dave, isn't this where Rain spends half her year? (I'm sure not this half -- although I did bring cooler temperatures.)

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
I think she winters there.

Enjoy your session. It's been too many decades since I've had the "Succulent Sacrament".

Dave Dubya said...

"Draining the Swamp".

Jonathan Chait noted about just yesterday:



The entire Trump era has been a festering pit of barely disguised ongoing corruption. But the whole sordid era has not had a 24-hour period quite like the orgy of criminality which we have just experienced. The events of the last day alone include:

1) The trial of Paul Manafort, which has featured the accusation that President Trump’s campaign manager had embezzled funds, failed to report income, and falsified documents. His partner and fellow Trump campaign aide, Rick Gates, confessed to participating in all these crimes, as well as to stealing from Manafort.

(2) Yesterday, Forbes reported that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross may have stolen $120 million from his partners and customers. Meanwhile Ross has maintained foreign holdings in his investment portfolio that present a major conflict of interest with his public office. (The “Don’t worry, Wilbur Ross would never do anything unethical just to pad his bottom line” defense is likely to be, uh, unconvincing to the many people filing suit against Ross for allegedly doing exactly that.)

(3) Also yesterday, ProPublica reported that the Department of Veterans Affairs is being effectively run by three Trump cronies, none of whom have any official government title or public accountability. The three, reports the story, have “used their influence in ways that could benefit their private interests.”

(4) And then, this morning, Representative Chris Collins was arrested for insider trading. Collins had been known to openly boast about making millions of dollars for his colleagues with his insider knowledge. He is charged with learning of an adverse FDA trial, and immediately calling his son — from the White House! — urging him to sell his holdings.

TB3 said...

See, President Trump is a marketing genius. He comes up with these stupid, clever slogans that fit nicely at the end of statements, on hats, shirts or bumper sticks. DRAIN THE SWAMP! DRAIN THE SWAMP! He just never bothered to tell people that in place of the swamp water, he'd fill the void with human waste and excrement.

What's the saying? Piss on your boot and tell you it's raining. The problem is, you've got a ton of people out there that are perfectly happy to redefine "rain" to match this new reality they want to live in.

Majormajor said...


So much for being a Puppet of Putin.

"All that “collusion” really hasn’t paid off for Russia, which has once again been slapped with more sanctions by the Trump administration, this time for trying to poison a former spy and his daughter. If Russia doesn’t satisfy certain demands over the next few months, even more crippling sanctions will go into effect.

The Trump administration has imposed the sanctions in response to the March 2018 poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter in the U.K. that the administration blames on the Russian government. On Wednesday, the State Department told Congress that an initial tranche of sanctions will be imposed under a 1991 chemical and biological weapons act.

"Following the use of a 'Novichok' nerve agent in an attempt to assassinate UK citizen Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia Skripal, the United States, on August 6, 2018, determined under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991 (CBW Act) that the Government of the Russian Federation has used chemical or biological weapons in violation of international law or has used lethal chemical or biological weapons against its own nationals," a State Department spokesperson said in a statement Wednesday. "Following a 15-day Congressional notification period, these sanctions will take effect upon publication of a notice in the Federal Register, expected on or around August 22, 2018."

A second, even more financially damaging round of sanctions will be imposed in 90 days if Russia fails to take certain steps. CNN reports (formatting adjusted):

The first set of sanctions targets certain items the US exports to Russia that could have military uses -- so-called dual use technologies. These are sensitive goods that normally would go through a case-by-case review before they are exported. With these sanctions, the exports will be presumptively denied. A senior State Department official said there would be carve-outs however.

The US would then require Russia to assure over the next 90 days that it is no longer using chemical or biological weapons and will not do so in the future. Additionally, the criteria in the law call for Russia to allow on-site inspectors to ensure compliance. The official said that if Russia did not meet the demands, the US "will have to consider whether to impose a second tranche of sanctions as specified by the statute."

The left will demand source or claim fake news.

Is CNN good enough for you lefties?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, Putin accepts a sanction here-and-there in exchange for a mole on the inside -- and the promise of a steady stream of state secrets. What better way to nullify public opinion toward his number one agent?

He fooled you...again. You're so easy.

TB3 said...

"The left will demand source or claim fake news.

Is CNN good enough for you lefties?" -- MM

Why would the left claim fake news? That's Trump's and your claim to information he and you don't agree with. Stop projecting.

The US finally responded in a meanful way to the chemical attack on our ally's soil. Better late than never.

Majormajor said...

LOL, JG wants to return to the days of the big red "reset" button.

"The US finally responded in a meanful (sp) way to the chemical attack on our ally's soil. Better late than never."
TB3

Thank you.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"JG wants to return to the days of the big red 'reset' button." ~~ Majormajor (aka totalitarian Chuck)

Actually, want to reset to days when presidents worked to unite the citizenry -- and when they weren't obviously and blatantly treasonous. Our presidents shouldn't be permitted to commit "high crimes and misdemeanors". It's tough on morale, don't you think? ;-)

Wouldn't you agree that would be better for all Americans, Chuck?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, you ignored my question...again. Would you rather be a Russian than a Democrat?

Be honest.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Don't forget, Chuck...

What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.” ~~ Donald Trump, July 2018

Majormajor said...

JG,,
Stupid question, those aren't the only two choices.

What would you rather be a Republican or a Cuban?

"high crimes and misdemeanors" You talking about Dave's President?

Cash and Carry Obama?

TB3 said...

Answers questions with questions which doesn't actually answer questions! His non-answer must mean he'd love to sport one of those I'd Rather Be Russian shirts.

Majormajor said...

And JG's non answer means he'd rather be a Cuban. I did answer his question.

TB3,
If given ONLY these two choices "What would you rather be a Republican or a Cuban?" That is the way to state the question.

BTW if you were given ONLY these two choices "What would you rather be a Republican or a Cuban?"

Dave Dubya said...

I'm not afraid to answer.

I'd rather be a Cuban on a beach than a Russian in Siberia, or a Republican anywhere.

All Russians and Cubans get better health care than millions of Trump voters.

Of course people are Cubans and Russians by birth. Republicans CHOOSE to surrender their conscience to their greed, hate, and ignorance.

TB3 said...

"BTW if you were given ONLY these two choices "What would you rather be a Republican or a Cuban?"

I'd love to answer you but I'm a little stuck on the fact that rather than answer the question yourself, you're deflecting with a question yourself. What's so hard? Afraid to admit you wouldn't think twice about being a Democrat because at least you'd still be a loyal American?

Majormajor said...

TB3,

See ya pal, I don't play well with leftist.

Dave, you never fail to not surprise me.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Afraid to admit you wouldn't think twice about being a Democrat because at least you'd still be a loyal American?" ~~ TB3

TB3, Chuck's an afraid American, like all alt-right Trumpists. They're afraid of immigrants, afraid of diversity, afraid of people of color, and afraid of, really, their shadows.

Demogagues like Hitler and Trump were very perceptive and aware of these fears. They played them to their advantage. The gathered and garnered power through this fear. They knew whuch buttons to push, and they pushed them to benefit their own selfish greedy egos.

The imbecilic nature of the low-information and uneducated voter, makes them perfect fodder for classic totalitarian despots. They're the enemy of, and ultimately the reason for the destruction of democracy.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

I believe Chuck would rather live under a totalitarian regime, like Russia, than be called a free and democracy-loving Democrat in the United States of America. That's very obvious.

It's the nature of the totalitarian mindset. In their world freedom is control; control is power.

Nothing else matters.

Majormajor said...

Funny how JG loves to put words into the mouths of others.

"The imbecilic nature of the low-information and uneducated voter, makes them perfect fodder for classic totalitarian despots." If becoming an American citizen and therefore the right to vote requires, the ability to speak and read English, why do we have ballots in languages other than English?

"Could it be" that they are the "the low-information and uneducated voter" the democrat party needs?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Funny how JG loves to put words into the mouths of others." ~~
Majormajor

How is it "funny", Chuck? More importantly, how have I "put words into the mouths of others"?

Do you want to know what's funnier? More appropriately, do you want to know what's pathetic?

It's pathetic that you ask and expect straight answers to all of your questions, yet you rarely if ever answer any questions when they're asked of you.

Yes, that's pathetic. I assume it's because of your fear; the fear I explained in my comments above. More specifically, it's the fear that I'm totally and unequivocally right.


"If becoming an American citizen and therefore the right to vote requires, the ability to speak and read English, why do we have ballots in languages other than English?" ~~ Majormajor (aka "inquisitive Chuck")

Because in the naturalization process there are exceptions to the requirement to read, write, and speak English.

Of course, if you want to key on the ability to "read, write and speak English", there are perhaps hundreds of thousands of low-information, lowly educated, Trump supporters who would fall into that category.

Don't you agree, Chuck?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Dave, you never fail to not surprise me." ~~ Majormajor

Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about -- the classic Trumpist grammatical error of using double-negatives, and therefore inadvertently meaning the opposite of what you intended. It must be an alt-right thing, do you suppose?

Perhaps Texans -- and presidents -- should be required to pass basic English grammar tests before they're permitted to vote?...or have summits with leaders from adversarial nations? ;-)

Would you agree with my proposal, Chuck?

TB3 said...

"See ya pal, I don't play well with leftist."-- MM

You choose to take your ball home. Got it, pal. And I am not a leftist, I am just someone who disagrees with you and you feel compelled to name all, label, and other people you disagree with as a defense mechanism.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"'Could it be' that they are the 'the low-information and uneducated voter' the democrat [sp] party needs?"

They may be ignorant of some things, Chuck, but they're not purposely stupid. There's a huge difference.

First and foremost, they don't vote against their own economic self-interests -- election cycle after election cycle.

That's truly the pathetic aspect about Trump's base -- they're perennially stupid.

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Majormajor said...

JG,
Here's your exceptions to English requirements:
50 years old or older and you've lived in the U.S. as a permanent resident for at least 20 years
or
55 years old or older and you've lived in the U.S. as a permanent resident for at least 15 years.

Do you really believe that after living here minimum of 15 years you could not pass the simple English requirements? And you talk about how stupid Trump voters are, lol!

You believe to vote in one's own best interest means to vote for socialism, like the voters in Venezuela did. Care to explain? How many of those coming to our country are fleeing the effects of socialism? You have no idea, no real life experience in this, you simply repeat what your leftist handlers have fed you.

TB3 said...

Throwing random stuff at the wall again.

Majormajor said...

TB3,

I'll give you a trail to follow, JG calls Trump voters "the low-information and uneducated voter" at 8/10 7:01
I respond with "The imbecilic nature of the low-information and uneducated voter, makes them perfect fodder for classic totalitarian despots." If becoming an American citizen and therefore the right to vote requires, the ability to speak and read English, why do we have ballots in languages other than English?"
"Could it be" that they are the "the low-information and uneducated voter" the democrat party needs?" 8/10 10:11. Following so far?

JG then goes as expected, bat sh#t crazy with posts at

8/11/7:55 am
8/11 8/15 am
8/11 11:00 am

Any normal person would understand that my post at 8/11 1:55 was in response to JG throwing his random feckless left liberal crazy stuff against the wall in an attempt to cover his lack of knowledge. He likes to call people names (Nazis, stupid, racist) and put words in their mouth if you haven't noticed.

Try to stay up.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Do you really believe that after living here minimum of 15 years you could not pass the simple English requirements?" ~~ Majormajor

Chuck, I've never claimed either way, and personally could care less.

Suffice to say, I don't believe you could pass an English test -- and you've lived here all of your life. ;-)

What's your point?...or is there even one?

Majormajor said...

Oh come on JG, stop playing stupid, you are playing right?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, there may be times I "play stupid" in order to draw you in or to make a point, but unlike you I am never, ever, demeaning myself and being stupid for stupid's sake.

I leave that entirely up to you.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, your timeline still doesn't respond to my accusation that you ask a lot of questions, yet never answer any -- whether made by Dave, TB3 or me.

You never answer, Chuck, because you have no legitimate answers.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, for your convenience I'm going to repeat for you a few of the questions you have yet to answer. I'll even number them (and highlight them) for you. Are you ready? Here, let's start:

(1) Our presidents shouldn't be permitted to commit "high crimes and misdemeanors". It's tough on morale, don't you think? Wouldn't you agree that would be better for all Americans, Chuck?

(2) Chuck, you ignored my question...again. Would you rather be a Russian than a Democrat?

(3) What's so hard? Afraid to admit you wouldn't think twice about being a Democrat because at least you'd still be a loyal American?

(4) How is it "funny" [that you think I put words into the mouths of others], Chuck? More importantly, how have I "put words into the mouths of others"?

(5) ...if you want to key on the ability to "read, write and speak English", there are perhaps hundreds of thousands of low-information, lowly educated, Trump supporters who would fall into that category. Don't you agree, Chuck?

(6) Perhaps Texans -- and presidents -- should be required to pass basic English grammar tests before they're permitted to vote?...or have summits with leaders from adversarial nations?

Then you asked:

"Do you really believe that after living here minimum of 15 years you could not pass the simple English requirements?" ~~ Majormajor

and I asked:

(7) What's your point?...or is there even one?

For simplicity, please feel free to answer by number. I eagerly await your responses.

Majormajor said...

"in order to draw you in" At last a smidgen of honesty from JG! So sorry, I won't play that game with you anymore.
How's the sweat lodge in AZ coming along, or what ever new age nonsense you are into? Or is your trip a non-religious one?

BTW while you claim to not be a democrat, the polls say Sen. Kamala Harris will win her party's nomination for President in 2020, you thoughts about supporting her.

Majormajor said...


"You never answer, Chuck, because you have no legitimate answers". JG not true, I answer "legitimate" questions, you just don't like the answers. So why bother?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, once again you've refused to answer any of my questions, 1-7, and have chosen to ignore them instead. And then you have the audacity to ask me more questions.

So, tell me, why would you expect me to answer your inquiries about my southwestern trip, or Senator Harris, or why you should "bother" to answer my questions? I mean, really, do you even care?

You know you don't.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"So sorry, I won't play that game with you anymore." ~~ Majormajor (aka "always promising Chuck")

Gee, Chuck, promise? Gonna take your ball and go home?

Please don't make promises you know you will not keep.

TB3 said...

Sounds like Trump.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Sounds like Trump" ~~ TB3

Trump's ("Dr. Evil's") Mini-Me...

Majormajor said...

You guys are funny.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"You guys are funny." ~~ Majormajor

You're not -- but not surprisingly, you are the butt of the joke. ;-)

Majormajor said...

Wow, what a snappy comeback.

And you're one too. As are your children.
And your mother wore army boots, LOL
;-)

TB3 said...

Modern political discourse everyone.

Now about the President having an FBI agent fired for his personal political beliefs...

Anonymous said...

If that were true it would be wrong, key word is IF.

TB3 said...

Key word is WRONG.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...about the President having an FBI agent fired for his personal political beliefs..." ~~ TB3

Is it any wonder? When the President of the United States has deep-rooted connections with the Russian mafiya, it shouldn't be surprising that the FBI is a primary target.

After all, hasn't the FBI been "enemy number one" for Trump since he took office?

Trump will continue to subvert the FBI at every opportunity. His loyalty is toward those he's intimately connected to, certainly not the Constitution of the United States.

Majormajor said...

"When the President of the United States has deep-rooted connections with the Russian mafiya [sp], it shouldn't be surprising that the FBI is a primary target."

Go out on a limb and back that crazy talk up with facts.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Trump's had several underworld figures including those of the Russian Mafiya (spelled correctly, by the way) launder money by way of purchases at his Trump Towers, and through his former and bankrupt Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City.

Fully one-third of Trump Tower purchases were held in the names of foreign corporations, many of them in tax havens. It's said Trump rolled out the welcome mat for such buyers. Several buyers were notorious criminals involved in embezzling and money laundering -- one being David Bogatin. He, alone, bought five properties.

The list goes on. Study and learn. Your president has Mafia and Mafiya connections that run deep.

My theory is that Robert Mueller was selected to head this current probe for two reasons: (1) His experience, when FBI director, in investigating and pursuing Russian Mob activity (especially the godfather of godfathers, Semion Mogilevich); and (2) laser-pointing the investigation so as not to compromise current investigations of high-ranking Mafiya figures and/or expose those cooperating with law enforcement.

Trump's intimately involved with, and used to financing through, laundered Mafiya millions. The Mafiya is taken with Trump, also. His properties have lent legitimacy to their criminal and tax-free gains.

It's a symbiotic relationship. Now, as president, Trump offers even more to his friends.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

The Making of a Mafia State, from Russia to America

Felix Sater of Bayrock had a childhood friend, Michael Cohen, who later became Trump’s personal attorney. In 2015, the release of leaked emails revealed conversations between Sater and Cohen that hinted at a political agenda. Sater wrote in an email to Cohen, “I will get all of [Vladimir] Putin’s [sic] team to buy in on this, I will manage this process … I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected.” Perhaps Sater and Cohen saw something beyond financial schemes in their relationships with Trump—they were entering what looked more like the oligarchical territory of Russia. These statements were made by Sater to Cohen in 2015, at a time when election-talk and campaign planning was in full swing. Whether their statements turned out to be true or not, the fact that they were discussed in a circle so close to Trump is disconcerting.
~~ Harvard Political Review, A Tale of Two Russias, December 23, 2017

The Trump organization's connections with Russian organized crime is indisputable. Just how much, and to what degree of criminality, remains to be seen.

Mr. Mueller's special investigation will reveal this to us.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Go out on a limb and back that crazy talk up with facts." ~~ Majormajor (aka "wool pulled over my eyes" Chuck)

Didn't really need to go out on a limb. Actually, didn't even have to climb the tree. Everything I mentioned was low-hanging fruit.

How'd I do? ;-)

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
There you go again. MM don't need no stinkin facts. Remember back when he challenged us, "If you give facts, I will deny them"?

Majormajor said...

Hey Dave, neither does CNN need no stinkin facts:

CNN, ever desirous of disparaging President Trump, issued a tweet on Tuesday morning mocking Trump for referring to the incident in London in which a vehicle drove onto a sidewalk injuring three people before crashing into a barrier at the Houses of Parliament as a terrorist incident.

President Donald Trump seizes on what he calls a "terrorist attack" in London, even though the incident is still in the early stages of investigation https://t.co/z2qEYHryeF pic.twitter.com/AatPX4wZsh
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) August 14, 2018

But wait a gol-darned minute:

The Latest: Police treat London crash as terrorist incident. https://t.co/AWOhztVFrG
— The Associated Press (@AP) August 14, 2018

British Prime Minister Theresa May even referred to the incident as a terrorist attack.

How loony can the left get? From 9-11 was an inside job, to claims the President has connections to the Russian mifiya, claims started by someone who doesn't even know President but claims his best buddy told him, to GHW Bush flying to Paris on a Blackbird, you guys are really, really really, funny.

Will CNN issue a retraction? Now that's funny.

Next up from the left,"could be be" Trump causes water shortage on Mars, Ancient Astronaut theorist Giorgio A. Tsoukalos asks?

In an interview with Rachel Maddow, Mad Maxine Waters demands full investigation of possible link between President Trump and the Martian water shortage..calls for all Martians to get in the face of any Trump supporter, anywhere.

Michael Moore makes movie proving how the Russians aided TRump in taking the water from Mars.

Film at 10:00.

Majormajor said...

“The stronger the economy gets under Trump, the more desperate his critics are to hand credit over to Obama. Even if that entails changing the past,” says an Investor’s Business Daily editorial. “A recent New York Times story says it all: ‘An economic upturn begun under Obama is now Trump’s to tout’.” says it all: ‘An economic upturn begun under Obama is now Trump’s to tout’.”

Things were not always thus.

“We seem to recall that the economy was stagnating in 2016 after the weakest recovery from a recession since the Great Depression,” the IBD editorial noted.

“In fact, The New York Times itself described Obama’s economy this way in August 2016: ‘For three quarters in a row, the growth rate of the economy has hovered around a mere 1 percent,” the IBD editorial recalled. “In the last quarter of 2015 and the first quarter of 2016, the economy expanded at feeble annual rates of 0.9 percent and 0.8 percent, respectively.”

The editorial also cited similar coverage at CBS News.

Jennifer Harper

Investor’s Business Daily

New York Times

Now we will see how fast the loony left ignores or deny.




TB3 said...

Ignore or deny what?

Majormajor said...

Another amazing "silence"...Manifort is being prosecuted for non-payment of taxes. The MSM is ALL over it. Al Sharpton hasn't paid taxes in years, owes millions, not arrested and not a whisper from the MSM.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Unhinged...

LOLOL

Dave Dubya said...

MM's upset that CNN didn't get confirmation of the terrorist incident in London before officials in London confirmed it.

What they really reported: In addition to declaring the incident a "terrorist attack" before officials in London, Trump said the perpetrators are "animals."

Speaking of Don and Con and fellow gangsters:

David Von Drehle reported in The Washington Post:
===

Trump’s trail was blazed through one business after another notorious for corruption by organized crime.

New York construction, for starters. In 1988, Vincent “the Fish” Cafaro of the Genovese crime family testified before a U.S. Senate committee concerning the Mafia’s control of building projects in New York. Construction unions and concrete contractors were deeply dirty, Cafaro confirmed, and four of the city’s five crime families worked cooperatively to keep it that way.

This would not have been news to Trump, whose early political mentor and personal lawyer was Roy Cohn, consigliere to such dons as Fat Tony Salerno and Carmine Galante. After Cohn guided the brash young developer through the gutters of city politics to win permits for Trump Plaza and Trump Tower, it happened that Trump elected to build primarily with concrete rather than steel. He bought the mud at inflated prices from S&A Concrete, co-owned by Cohn’s client Salerno and Paul Castellano, boss of the Gambino family.

Coincidence? Fuhgeddaboudit.

Trump moved next into the New Jersey casino business, which was every bit as clean as it sounds. State officials merely shrugged when Trump bought a piece of land from associates of Philadelphia mob boss “Little Nicky” Scarfo for roughly $500,000 more than it was worth. However, this and other ties persuaded police in Australia to block Trump’s bid to build a casino in Sydney in 1987, citing Trump’s “Mafia connections.”

His gambling interests led him into the world of boxing promotion, where Trump became chums with fight impresario Don King, a former Cleveland numbers runner. (Trump once told me that he owes his remarkable coiffure to King, who advised the future president, from personal experience, that outlandish hair is great PR.) King hasn’t been convicted since the 1960s, when he did time for stomping a man to death. But investigators at the FBI and U.S. Senate concluded that his Mafia ties ran from Cleveland to New York, Las Vegas to Atlantic City. Mobsters “were looking to launder illicit cash,” wrote one sleuth. “Boxing, of all the sports, was perhaps the most accommodating laundromat, what with its international subculture of unsavory characters who play by their own rules.”

But an even more accommodating laundromat came along: luxury real estate — yet another mob-adjacent field in which the Trump name has loomed large. Because buyers of high-end properties often hide their identities, it’s impossible to say how many Russian Mafia oligarchs own Trump-branded condos. Donald Trump Jr. gave a hint in 2008: “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.”

For instance: In 2013, federal prosecutors indicted Russian mob boss Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov and 33 others on charges related to a gambling ring operating from two Trump Tower condos that allegedly laundered more than $100 million. A few months later, the same Mr. Tokhtakhounov, a fugitive from U.S. justice, was seen on the red carpet at Trump’s Miss Universe pageant in Moscow.

Obviously, not everyone in these industries is corrupt, and if Donald Trump spent four decades rubbing elbows with wiseguys and never got dirty, he has nothing to worry about from special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

===

Don the Con has always been a "legitimate businessman", amirite?




Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Don the Con has always been a 'legitimate businessman', amirite?" ~~ Dave Dubya

Why, of course! Has always been. Or is it hasn't always been? I'm not sure whether it should be "has" or "hasn't". LOLOL

Majormajor said...

Isn't it time for the Left to set up a "go fund me page" for socialist Venezuela?

Time for the Left to put their money where their mouth is.

Dave Dubya said...

I don't know where the "Left's mouth" is, but I do know it's in a more hygienic place than where the Right's nose is.

Majormajor said...

You're funny.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Yes, Dave's very funny!...and your nose, Chuck, has been rubbed in it yet another time!

Life sucks when you team up with the underworld, doesn't it?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

So the con-in-chief is again threatening to eliminate security clearances of those who have spoken negatively about him or opposed him.

Another distraction from the racist accusations and claims of the last week?...or a deliberate attack against our security network in order to weaken our response to upcoming cyber-attacks by his friends in the mafia-state?

Majormajor said...

Ewww that is a snappy retort.

How about lying to Senate, or spying on senators? Or voting for Gus Hall?

"deliberate attack against our security network in order to weaken our response to upcoming cyber-attacks by his friends in the mafia-state?"

How Who Where Why?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"How about lying to Senate, or spying on senators? Or voting for Gus Hall?" ~~ Majormajor (aka "whataboutism" Chuck)

I don't know. Why don't you share with us? ;-)


"How Who Where Why? ~~ Majormajor (aka "going down with the ship" Chuck)

How? Cyber hacking, of course.

Who? Putin's intelligence folks, who else?

Where? Where ever they want, probably.

Why? So they can continue having "Con-Don", their puppet, in the White House -- obviously.

Dave Dubya said...

How about lying to Senate, or spying on senators? Or voting for Gus Hall?

"How about" or "what about"?

"Howaboutism" is the same Right-wing Authoritarian tactic of deflection and distraction as "Whataboutism".

Majormajor said...

"threatening to eliminate security clearances of those who have spoken negatively about him or opposed him." or, lying to the Senate, or spying on Senators. Or voting for Gus Hall? These should have been enough to get him fired.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

In another excerpt of the recording [from late last December], Lara Trump, who is married to Donald Trump's son Eric, is heard explaining to Manigault Newman that "the only thing that we have to consider, where we're talking salary as far as the campaign is concerned, is that, as you know, everything is public."

"And that all the money that we raise and that pays salaries is directly from donors, small-dollar donors for the most part. So, I know you, you were making 179 at the White House. And I think we can work something out where we keep you right along those lines,"
Trump continues. "Specifically, let me see, I haven't even added up the numbers. But we were talking about, like, 15K a month. Let me see what that adds up to. Times 12. Yeah."

"So that's $180,000. Does that sound like a fair deal for you?"
[Lara] Trump is heard saying.
~~ nbcnews.com, Adam Edelson, August 16, 2018

The "Trumpovich" crime family, the laundromat of the Russian Mafiya, attempts to buy silence yet again!

Un-f#@king-believable! A day in the life...

LOLOL

Jefferson's Guardian said...

More silencing techniques. The Trumpovich mob boss is not only silencing his critics, he's silencing witnesses.

As backdoor as it is, it's clearly obstruction of justice.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

The war of words between the former CIA director and the president escalated on Thursday, as Brennan hit back after being stripped of his security clearance by the White House the previous day – an unprecedented presidential intervention that has prompted widespread criticism. A statement from Trump said he had taken the step due to Brennan’s “erratic conduct and behavior”. ~~ Ben Jacobs, The Guardian, August 16, 2018

So Trump makes the claim he stripped Brennan's security clearence due to "erratic conduct and behavior"?

Really?!?

No lie?

I wonder if Trump has watched video of himself from his campaign-like rallies recently in Tampa and other venues?

LOLOL

Dave Dubya said...


"Lying to the Senate" and the rest of the country, should get Trump fired too. Sessions lied to the Senate and was given the Justice Department. IOKIYAR, after all.

Authoritarians love to punish critics.

"In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

Trump is the embodiment of Orwell's Big Brother, complete with cult like loyalty and fanaticism.

Look how he fits right in:

"The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history." - Orwell


“Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening.” - Trump


“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - Orwell

Dave Dubya said...

This is what honor and dignity look like:

William H. McRaven oversaw the 2011 SEAL raid that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. McRaven wrote:

Former CIA director John Brennan, whose security clearance you revoked on Wednesday, is one of the finest public servants I have ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don’t know him.

Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.







Majormajor said...

Nothing you two have said lessens this fact, that lying to the Senate and spying on Senators was enough to have his security clearance removed.
How many of those indicted by Mueller were because they lied?

McRaven must be ok with lying.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"McRaven must be ok with lying." ~~ Majormajor (aka deflecting Chuck)

There cannot be any certainty, but it has been very apparent to me over the years that you are.

Dave Dubya said...

I agree with MM. Liars in public office should all have their security clearance revoked. Starting with the ones who lie the most.

After the Trump Administration is revoked for their lies, let's revoke clearance for all liars in law enforcement, the military, Senate, Congress and courts.

Deal?

Of course, this would mean there could be no classified info or state secrets.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"After the Trump Administration is revoked for their lies, let's revoke clearance for all liars in law enforcement, the military, Senate, Congress and courts. Deal?" ~~ Dave Dubya

Dave, I'm one-hundred percent in. It's a deal!


"Of course, this would mean there could be no classified info or state secrets." ~~ Dave Dubya

Of course! I wouldn't consider your proposal any other way!

One must realize, though, that a couple of more years of a Trump government and there won't be any -- at least between Trump and Putin. ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Melania Trump To Address Cyberbullying Summit. 'That's A Joke, Right?'

"First workshop: When is it okay to refer to a black woman as a dog?"

Melania Trump will address a government summit next week on cyberbullying — days after her husband tweeted that his former White House aide Omarosa Manigault Newman is a “dog,” a “crying low life,” a “loser,” “wacky,” “deranged,” and “crazed.” ~~ Mary Papenfuss, www.huffpost.com, 8/17/2018

As a t-shirt with Shakespeare's likeness, read from years ago: This Shit Writes Itself LOL

These Trump years are not only exceedingly dangerous times, it can't be said they don't come with its own special formula of irony and absurdity.

LOLOL

Majormajor said...

As Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, “you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.”

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...you are not entitled to your own facts." ~~ Majormajor (aka projecting Chuck)

My facts are what has happened, is happening, or has been announced will happen.

Please share with me, and Dave's readers, which ones you dispute. A blanket denial doesn't prove a thing.

Prove me wrong. I dare you, because you can't.

Majormajor said...

I double dare you to prove yourself right, so there.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

My proof is the racist, demagogic mobster -- to be indicted for "high crimes and misdemeanors" -- currently occupying the White House.

I've provided the sources, for both racist actions and organized crime connections. Mr. Mueller's team will provide proof of the crimes -- most probably treasonous in nature.

It's coming.

The question is, will you accept the outcome -- whatever it turns out to be?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

I'll ask you again...which facts that I related, do you dispute?

C'mon, Chuck, be a man and tell me. Otherwise, you're just farting in the wind.

Dave Dubya said...

As Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, “You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.”

What does this even mean from one who shills for the Orwellian Big Brother Don? “Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening.”

Orwell:
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.

In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.


This is the world MM is helping to bring down upon us in his Party's war on democracy and truth.

Majormajor said...

You two are really funny!!!

Dave Dubya said...

Funny, as in funny 'cause it's true.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Funny, as in funny 'cause it's true." ~~ Dave Dubya

Of course.

Also, "funny" as in you're on to me and I can't defend the indefensible.

Dave Dubya said...

Know what else is funny? The national debt jumped by a Half TRILLION dollars in the last 6 months.


Not a peep of protest from the Tea Party Republicans and Trump cult.

If Hillary was president, imagine their outrage. They'd be calling for "Second Amendment remedies" again.

More proof EVERYTHING is OK if you are Republican.

They never fail to show they are are hateful hypocrites.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Everything's "funny" when the Government Of Putin is in charge. Everything's fine. Deficits, debt...not to worry.

The tax cuts to the uber-rich will bring us all prosperity and real wealth. LOLOL

The imbeciles, though, spit blood when the dems are running the show and running up the tab. Yeah, Dave, they're all hypocrites.

"Funny", huh? ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

The mobster-in-chief says Bruce Ohr "is a disgrace" and is going to revoke his security clearance because of his wife's connections. [head shaking]

A "disgrace"?

Donald Trump should watch video of his Hitler-like rants from his campaign stops lately. He's as disgusting and disgraceful as it's humanly possibly to be.

What an embarrassment to our country. I hope the world doesn't think all Americans are like him, his deplorable base...or Chuck.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Alternative facts" ~~ Kellyanne Conway

and...

"What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening” ~~ Donald Trump

and now...

"Truth isn't truth..." ~~ Rudy Giuliani

LOLOL

Majormajor said...

The joys of Bernie Sanders approved socialism continues to unfold.

Fleeing Venezuelans face suspicion and hostility as migration crisis worsens.

Ecuadorian border town struggling to cope with exodus driven by economic collapse and political turmoil in Venezuela.

When will the leftist and liberals who post here disavow this failed economic system.
When will the supporters of Bernie Sanders start a "go fund me "account for Venezuela, with their own money instead of someone else's money?

Oh, I forgot, it's Russia, Russia, Russia. Funny people these leftist, they blame capitalism for not having enough money to run their socialist programs.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Excuse me, sir, but this is the line for revealing and bashing Donald Trump's evilness and pure stupidity.

The line for criticizing Venezuela's hyperinflation, and President Maduro's economic policies, forms at another blog.

Thank you for not cutting in line. Your cooperation is certainly appreciated.

Majormajor said...

(Bloomberg) -- Argentina plans to ask the International Criminal Court to investigate Venezuela’s government for crimes against humanity.

Socialism, so rotten you can take it to court.

Oh I forgot the authoritarians don't allow freedom of speech here.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"This is the world [Majormajor] is helping to bring down upon us in his Party's war on democracy and truth." ~~ Dave Dubya

Truly, an anti-democratic party and one that rejects the truth.

Even Rudy Giuliani admitted this.

Do you know what else he admitted? He finally revealed that Donald Trump knew about, and authorized and approved, the hush-money payment to Stephanie Clifford (aka, "Stormy Daniels") to keep her quiet about Trump's affair with her.

Trump knew about and approved it!

I wonder what else Trump has been lying to us about? LOLOL

Majormajor said...

Do you see this, evil President Trump dispatches a U.S. Navy hospital ship to the Colombian coast to help treat Venezuelan refugees that have overwhelmed the Colombian medical system — the first U.S. military foray into the Venezuela crisis.

Why don't socialist countries send aid to their brother in socialism? They don't have the money needed that capitalism creates.

Dave Dubya said...

Why don't socialist countries send aid to their brother in socialism?

Yeah, why can't they be like Trump capitalists in American Puerto Rico and toss them some paper towels?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Please, sir, if you persist in line-cutting with stories of Venezuela and Columbia, I'm afraid you'll leave me no choice but to call Security and have you escorted to another blog.

Do you not have any sense of proper decorum and civility?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...and toss them some paper towels?" ~~ Dave Dubya

So metaphorically true! Racist Trump literally ignored the plight of the Puerto Rican people.

So evil, and so typical.