Sunday, September 28, 2014

Lessons on “Free Speech”

Did you dare to openly disagree with Bush’s invasion of Iraq? You would be accused of hating America and siding with the terrorists. Maybe even appear on a no-fly list.

Dare to protest the Military Industrial Complex and its powerful influence on our government and public policy that Ike warned us about? See above.

Dare to protest the corruption and immunity of Wall Street? Then you WILL be demonized and disparaged as a dirty commie hippy dropout, at the minimum.

So you dare to disagree with corporate person-hood and corporate money corrupting our elections and government?  Too bad. You will be accused of being “anti-free speech” and un-American.

Dare to protest and condemn the theft of land, occupation, and wholesale slaughter of innocents by Israel’s far Right Likud Party? You will be called an “anti-Semite” and maybe “pro-terrorist”.  You may even have the FBI at your door.

Dare to join hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating their concerns about pollution and climate change? Nobody cares. The “liberal media” will ignore all of you.

Hate Obama? Hate paying taxes? Hate liberals? Hate the Federal Government and its constitutional duty to tax for the general welfare and regulate commerce? Join the Koch/FOX (R) Tea Party and let your protest be amplified. Even if only a few dozen show up. You will find corporate PR and corporate media covering, if not cheering, your anger and hate.



If you want to know who runs the place, notice the tolerance, and intolerance, to hate or criticism.

40 comments:

One Fly said...

The way it is!

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Dare to join hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating their concerns about pollution and climate change? Nobody cares. The 'liberal media' will ignore all of you."

The corporate-media are too busy pimping for their benefactors, so of course they inundate the airwaves and press with hyperbole of a national threat greater than the original designated front-men and patsys, al-Qaeda. Once they realize that ISIS (or ISIL, or IS) doesn't con enough Americans to do the trick, they quickly make up the worst and the "baddest" of them all, Khorasan -- the al-Qaeda 3.0 of "terrornoia".

But hundreds-of-thousands marching against pollution-driven climate change in NYC? It doesn't even cross their radar -- and they don't want it crossing yours, either.

Beware of the boogeyman -- because the corporate-state is telling you to be.

free0352 said...

Nobody ever stopped anyone from criticizing the Iraq war. The most that happened was some hyperbole which basically means "They said mean things."

Oh boo-hoo.

The anti-war movement in the early to mid-2000s go tons of media coverage. We all had to watch never ending footage of stupid Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink.

The reason nobody cares anymore was that the attention on the movement and the great majority of the opposition to the war was fueled by the Democrat Party to discredit GWB and the war purely for partisan political purposes. The day Obama took office your political usefulness was O-V-E-R. The only reason the Democrats were "anti-war" was they were "anti-Bush." They voted for the war after all, and turned on it to attack the GOP President. Your useful idiot status was over on inauguration day 2009. All your Democrat money and organization was pulled that day, because your efforts went from being useful to the Dems to harmful to a Dem majority.

You bills for orgs were no longer paid, your organizers went to work pushing ObamaCare and the authentic (And pitifully small in number) anti-warriors were locked out from that day forward. They may or may not come crawling back to use you again if we have GOP leadership and its expedient to use you again.

In short, it wasn't "The Koch" boogie men. It was the DNC. You guys like to call people tools, which is funny. You were the ultimate tools for the establishment DNC from 2003-2008.

Then they dropped you like the hot, boring, silly little rocks you were.

And now they're bombing Iraq again.

Good job dumbasses.

Dave Dubya said...

I love it when Free gets agitated and makes up crap. This time there’s a nugget of truth to be found in his whine.

I agree that most Democrats see being pro-war as useful to getting re-elected, and are as much in service to the military industrial complex as nearly all Republicans. For the record, most Democrats voted against Bush’s invasion of Iraq. When Operation Iraqi Freedom killed a few thousand more Americans(One named Sheehan) after “Mission Accomplished”, it quickly morphed into permanent Iraqi civil war. Bush’s fawning Democrats, and MOST Americans had a change of heart. This is good. The bad part in the lead up to war shows us our major flaw. MOST Americans were duped into thinking Saddam was involved with al-Qaeda and 9-11. The successful propaganda was all Bush and Cheney needed to launch their war of aggression.

Nobody ever stopped anyone from criticizing the Iraq war.

One thing for certain, Free says exactly what he wants to believe. The truth, well…who cares, it’s about beliefs.

The Phil Donahue Show was cancelled for that very reason. Peace groups were targeted for surveillance as terror suspects. Maybe that’s what Free sees as tons of media coverage.

Free was far too busy Ooo Rah’ing to realize what was happening in his own country. How useful.

The fact is, anti-war coverage was almost non-existent before the invasion. After it went to hell people started to ask questions. How American is that? Literally shoot first, ask questions later. Land of the “Frees”.

And now they're bombing Iraq again. Good job dumbasses…Yes, just as I, and anyone paying attention, predicted.

free0352 said...

Bush’s fawning Democrats, and MOST Americans had a change of heart.

They had a change of heart alright, about supporting Bush not the war in Iraq.

That's why Democrats today can't stop flexing their little war muscles about bombing it now.

Bottom line, Clinton attacks Iraq, Bosnia and Kosovo and Dems approve. Obama attacks Libya, Syria and Iraq and Dems approve. Bush attacks Iraq (Using law passed by Clinton as justification) and Dems initially support and then change minds for partisan politics. DNC before USA, pure and simple.

The successful propaganda was all Bush and Cheney needed to launch their war of aggression.

It must have been. It seems Bush and Chaney's "propaganda" campaign was able to go back in time and convince Dems that Iraq had a WMD program before Bush was elected.


Now THAT is some "propaganda."

The fact is, anti-war coverage was almost non-existent before the invasion.

Thats because a clear 64% majority of Americans supported invading Iraq. The American people wanted to invade that country, for the same reason the above linked democrats did. Bush's "Lies" were so effective, they were able to go back in time and trick Democrats before Bush ever held national office.

Conclusion: Dick Cheney really IS Darth Vader... or you're full of shit. One of the two, Dave.

One Fly said...

They are many who don't know shit about this subject but think they know it all.

The fact of the matter is this - there is a reason in Feb '03 approximately 12,000,000 people all around the globe marched in protest because of what the US was about to do in Irak. Extraordinary numbers. Why?? Because they all knew as I did and a few others here that what the bush bastards were about to do was based on lies.

And why did the millions know that? That's easy as shit - because none of these millions listened to the fucking "news" from this country because it was pure bull shit.

Anyway the shooters got their way and history has been rewritten.

But this guy won't succumb to the endless litany of lies about that time and his patriotic hand continues to wave in the hopes that he will be chosen to pull the trip rope on these treasonous cocksuckers and always the gentleman - bitches first so big fat ass Kinda Sleazy get it up there and be the first to pay the price of what has to be the worst and if not the most blatant act of treason my country has ever experienced.

Dave Dubya said...

They had a change of heart alright, about supporting Bush not the war in Iraq.

One thing for certain, Free says exactly what he wants to believe. The truth, well…who cares, it’s about beliefs.

In Pew’s Feb. 20-24 2008 survey among 1,508 adults, a 54% majority said the U.S. made the wrong decision in using military force in Iraq, while 38% said it was the right decision.

http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-toward-the-war-in-iraq-20032008/

The successful propaganda was all Bush and Cheney needed to launch their war of aggression.

It must have been.
Thank you. 64% approved of the war and MOST Americans were duped into thinking Saddam was involved with al-Qaeda and 9-11. The successful propaganda was all Bush and Cheney needed to launch their war of aggression.

Conclusion: Dick Cheney really IS Darth Vader... or you're full of shit. One of the two, Dave.

Both are false conclusions. It was Cheney who was full of shit. Got Nukular aluminum tubes? Saddam’s ties to al-Qada?, How about that “meeting in Prague” that Cheney said was “pretty much confirmed”?

No? Well, then, there’s your shit, sport.

It must feel great to be a true believer of authoritarian conservatives without conscience. John Dean wrote a great book by that title. Read it and learn about those sociopaths.

If Cheney was Darth Vader, Free was one of his clone storm troopers.

Dave Dubya said...

One Fly,

Word.

"The truth, well… who cares, it’s about beliefs."

free0352 said...

You can quibble over polls Dave, who was more right, Pew or Gallup? Even if we split the difference, Americans supported invading Iraq. Even if we use YOUR poll, that is the conclusion. You like majority rule so much, there it is.

MOST Americans were duped into thinking Saddam was involved with al-Qaeda and 9-11

We've been over that.

MR. RUSSERT: All right. Now the president has been asked, “What did Iraq have to do with the attack on the World Trade Center?” and he said “nothing.” Do you agree with that?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: I do. So it’s not...

MR. RUSSERT: So it’s case, case closed.

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We’ve never been able to confirm any connection between Iraq and 9/11.


If you or anyone else thought Iraq was behind 911, that was willful ignorance. All they had to do to learn that Iraq had zero, zip, nothing to do with 911 was to watch Meet The Press where both Bush and Cheney said in 2003 Iraq had nothing to do with 911.

So this is just an allegation on your part of lies - which are directly refutable with an abundance of source material. It fails a basic logical test to assert the administration said Iraq was behind 911 and at this time both Bush and Cheney were then and later on NATIONAL FUCKING TELEVISION saying that was not the case.


Your position here Dave, is that George Bush and Dick Cheney were such skilled liars, that they were able to fool the American people that Iraq had WMD before either was inaugurated and that they were able to fool the American people that Iraq was behind 911 by repeatedly going on national television and saying that didn't happen.


Dave Dubya said...

You can quibble over polls Dave, who was more right, Pew or Gallup? Even if we split the difference, Americans supported invading Iraq.

Well, someone’s the quibbler here, and over nothing but his straw man argument, none that I never made. So typical.

MOST Americans were duped into thinking Saddam was involved with al-Qaeda and 9-11

Yes, we’ve been over that, and what Dick said years AFTER the invasion doesn't change anything to alter the fact.

Meet The Press where both Bush and Cheney said in 2003 Iraq had nothing to do with 911.

One interested in facts over beliefs could see the year was 2006, NOT 2003. Big difference in what people say before and after the debacle. We know what they said AFTER. It was not the same as before. It was Cheney who was full of shit. Got Nukular aluminum tubes? Saddam’s ties to al-Qada?, How about that “meeting in Prague” that Cheney said was “pretty much confirmed”?

Your position here Dave, is… not what Free says it is, surprisingly.

My position is in the facts I have stated. They still stand.

Interesting poll at the 2006 article.

U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN
CREATING MORE TERRORISTS 54%
ELIMINATING TERRORISTS 15%
The New York Times CBS/Poll

And here we go again… Because two Americans were murdered, thousands of innocents will die and terrorism will be fed new recruits.

Then comes the blowback that always happens. Free will be shocked and surprised again.



free0352 said...

Bottom line Dave, Americans supported the 2003 invasion. Democrats dreamed up the anti war movement as a partisan attack, and were effective. By 2006, American opinion turned against the conflict. By 2008, it had served its purpose and today in 2014 it basically no longer exists except for a handful of true believers like you.

You got used and its funny.

Now the people you stood shoulder to shoulder with protesting are bombing the fuck out of Iraq and we all know it will be a ground war again soon enough. And the last thing anyone cares about is the anti-war movement which doesn't exist anymore.

Dave Dubya said...


Let's try this one more time, just for arguments sake, because there was no argument on the point.

Bottom line Dave, Americans supported the 2003 invasion.

Yes, and as I said, most Americans falsely believing Saddam had something to do with 9-11, was pals with al-Qaeda, and had “nukular” aluminum tubes were the reasons for this.

Point settled? Good.

Now, please spare us the inane contradictions…

They had a change of heart alright, about supporting Bush not the war in Iraq. …yet….By 2006, American opinion turned against the conflict.

…and blatant falsehoods that constitute your fringe authoritarian beliefs:

Nobody ever stopped anyone from criticizing the Iraq war… Dick Cheney really IS Darth Vader…or you're full of shit. One of the two, Dave...watch Meet The Press where both Bush and Cheney said in 2003 Iraq had nothing to do with 911.

How can we hold dialogue, let alone respect, for such closed minded, sloppy reasoning, rigidly held false beliefs, and misinformed opinions?

Seriously.

free0352 said...

How can we hold dialogue

Of course we can't. You've argued passionately that 911 was an inside job. You're not as blatant as Jeff is, but you're a truther.

You are incapable of rational thought. I come here so people can get an idea just how insane the left is. I literally link your blog for that purpose.

Dave Dubya said...

You've argued passionately that 911 was an inside job. You're not as blatant as Jeff is, but you're a truther. You are incapable of rational thought.

And as I said, you believe what you want to believe, no matter what I have, or have not, ‘argued passionately”. I’ll be darned if we ever get to see the evidence behind a “Free accusation”.

Oh, and did you know you’re a truther too? “Climate Truthers” believe in an international conspiracy of evil climate scientists. Crazy,eh?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Free0352 to Dave Dubya: "You've argued passionately that 911 was an inside job."

Well, no he hasn't, actually. But, since you mentioned it, you can count me as one that believes the evidence points to that.


"You're not as blatant as Jeff is..."

Me? Blatant?


"...but you're a truther."

Dave has never made claims to deserve such distinction. Please...such a noble and proud label only applies to those who have earned it.

Just like you -- you've earned the label of tool. You wear it well.

free0352 said...

Well, no he hasn't, actually

Yes he has, actually. Just ask him what blew up the Pentagon and who was behind it.

He's tell you he doesn't know and wants more investigations. Then he'll break down and tell you its cruise missiles.

Don't you two have an anti war march to go to over this newest round of Iraq bombing.

Oh wait, nobody cares about the anti war movement anymore.

Dave Dubya said...

Just ask him what blew up the Pentagon and who was behind it.

He's tell you he doesn't know and wants more investigations. Then he'll break down and tell you its cruise missiles.


So Free is fitfully attempting to show what was "argued passionately" is my mentioning the fact we've seen no video evidence whatsoever of what hit the Pentagon. All of it was confiscated. All we have is the government telling us what happened. Trust them.

I have named no culprits, and promoted no conspiracies. I understand who benefited most from the events of 9-11 and must consider the motives and the crime, as any reasonable person would. The motives and goals of parties who wanted war in the Middle East should all be considered. And yes, Al-Qaeda was one of those parties, but not the only one. So are the neo-cons who openly yearned for a "second Pearl Harbor". Then there's the secret agencies of certain belligerent Middle East nations that must not be named, lest one be accused of being "anti-Semite".

We've been through all this enough. No more circular arguments, straw men, and belief over evidence-based fact.

The American people have seen no evidence of what happened to the Pentagon. I have allowed for the possibility of the official story, but when officials refuse to provide evidence, I cannot in good conscience and reasonableness blindly accept their words alone.

Pretty crazy right? Only in the Orwellian or totalitarian world.

On the other hand, Free has complete trust and faith in government secrecy and its excuses for war. One example: He still believes in nukular aluminum tubes, for Petes sake. I do not. Nor do the rest of the non-authoritarian true believers.

THAT is what I argue passionately.

free0352 said...

And yes, Al-Qaeda was one of those parties, but not the only one.

Nuff said, right there.

Trutherism, its the Birther's leftist cousin. Should I link Rachel Maddow mocking you fools again? This isn't a right/left issue. The overwhelming base of the Democrat party is firmly with me on this one.

This is a stupid/smart issue.

You aren't on the smart side of that debate.

free0352 said...

Then there's the secret agencies of certain belligerent Middle East nations that must not be named, lest one be accused of being "anti-Semite".

Oh, and that's because you're anti-semetic Dave. Your semi-Protocols of Zion stuff is creepy. You once claimed Israel influenced a US Naval investigation and that our politicians are puppets of Israel through the banks and the "Israeli lobby."

Once again, the overwhelming portion of the Democratic Party is with me on this one. Its another smart/dumb issue.

That you aren't on the smart side of. You're just an extremist with a lot of class envy and jew hatred.

Dave Dubya said...

I called it!

Oh, and that's because you're anti-semetic Dave. Your semi-Protocols of Zion stuff is creepy.

Yes, this is the toxic swill from an utterly shameless guy after being proven so wrong and blatantly contradictory. The classic authoritarian personality.

This is what fascistic hate and scapegoating looks like.

He really took the bait, hook, line and sinker. His indoctrination tells him if I disagree with, or criticize, the Israeli Right, I hate Jews. If I disagree with, or criticize, the Kochs and Republican far Right, I hate America. This is the warped thinking of an extreme far Right authoritarian personality.

Liberals are the "Jews" of Free's American Fourth Reich.

Every false accusation is fair game in their scapegoating. This is how all fascists and totalitarians operate. Every lie continues, despite being debunked. Every accusation is hurled, and never supported by evidence.

What kind of brainwashed extremist thinks like that?

What's really creepy is his hateful and fascistic pattern of false accusations and lies.

And then, pouring fuel into his hatred, he adds insult to the memories and families of dozens of Americans killed, and many more wounded, by multiple Israeli attacks on the clearly flagged USS Liberty.

That's worse than creepy. It really is vile.

But it shows his true character. To note this long suppressed historical event and loss of life is not anti-Semitic. But, to deny history is totalitarianism.

To deny the attack on the USS Liberty is anti-American and anti-truth. If anything, it would be loyalty to Israel over the USA. It's as if Free has chosen to be another American puppet of the Likud. I guess that works as long as it doesn't conflict with being a puppet of the Kochs.








free0352 said...

I called it!

You did, because you say creepy stuff and I call you on it.

Yes, this is the toxic swill from an utterly shameless guy

You know me and my rejection of bigotry.

His indoctrination tells him if I disagree with, or criticize, the Israeli Right, I hate Jews

No, no. If you were saying say - "I think Israel's handling of Gaza has been heavy handed." that is criticism. Nope, you're spouting thinly coded racist propaganda right out of the Soviet Doctors Plot. (Jewish conspiracy).

Sorry but, but that ain't cool. Its racist. Whether you are ignorant of your racism or not is irrelevant. There are a lot of ignorant bigots in the world.

The world has seen your crap before.

No thanks. Its socially unacceptable, and that is part of why your leftism has been rejected by contemporary America. You're no different that a leftist Cliven Bundy spouting his bullshit about blacks, only you're doing it about Jews.






free0352 said...

So we have

1: International Jewish Conspiracy (Protocols of Zion).

2: 9-11 was an inside job.


How many of Dave's wild conspiracy theories can we bring to light in one blog post. By the way believing in both of these, makes you a disgusting person.

Dave Dubya said...

How many of Dave's wild conspiracy theories can we bring to light

He means how many can he invent. None are cited. None are there. Well it is true that Free is a “Climate Truther” who completely believes in an international conspiracy of evil climate scientists, like a good little Kochsucker.

You know me and my rejection of bigotry.

Says the anti-liberal bigot.

How noble, but considering the blatant and shameless rejection of truth, this is meaningless. Just more false charges without evidence. Such are authoritarians.

you're spouting thinly coded racist propaganda right out of the Soviet Doctors Plot.

I’ll have to ask my Jewish friends about that one.

What kind of paranoid refer to an irrelevant and obscure “Soviet Doctors Plot”? I guess by saying Free ignores the truth and must make scapegoats and false accusations, he needs to dream up some more nonsense and hate.

Make no mistake; this is pure hate behind his rejection of facts and reason. We expect this from authoritarian personalities. He was proven wrong, and is reacting with the typical hate and anger of the extremist.

that ain't cool. Its racist. No evidence to support the accusation. That is what fascists do.

Nothing but baseless accusations, scapegoating and rejection of the truth when corrected. If Free was a Bible thumper, he’d be calling me a Devil. That‘s the job for his fundamentalist authoritarian con-servative allies. But he’s a true believer fascist, so other false accusations and scapegoating will have to do.

The country rejects this fringe hate, whether from Bundy, the militias, the Klan, or the Kochsuckers. All of them hate, blame, and demonize liberals. Yes, even Jewish liberals. This is what American fascism looks like.

Also note the subject of the post has been ignored in order to level personal accusations.

This is what authoritarian hate looks like. If he was of German stock, and his name was Herr Frei, and was living in Germany in 1935, we can bet he’d have been out there in his black shirt parading against the Jews.

Why?

Because just as he (still) believes every lie from Bush and Cheney, he would have just as readily bought into Hitler’s lies.

It is the way of the authoritarian followers. Free’s hate is the hate that fuels fascism.

your leftism has been rejected by contemporary America.

False. What is rejected are Free and his fellow Kochsuckers ideas of destroying safety nets, dismantling and privatizing public services, and abolishing the Constitutional regulation of commerce and provision for promoting and providing for the general welfare

But he should be happy. Money talks. Money rules. His masters are winning.

We are doomed to permanent war and neo-feudalist austerity for the masses, as the economic elites run and ruin our world. This is the “Free Country” that the authoritarians are bringing down onto us.

free0352 said...

Oh Dave, I'm sure you have lots of Jewish "Friends." I bet some of your best friends are Jewish... not.

Everyone knows you have an authentic anti-semite the minute you hear the international Jewish conspiracy. And you belted it out right on this blog post. Its hardly new, Henry Ford was publishing books about it in the 30s.

Maybe you can go watch the eternal Jew or something and spout less creepy things on the internet... not that there aren't plenty of people out there just like you. There was a very strong anti-semetic presence in the anti war movement... one you seem to have been a part of Dave.

free0352 said...

His masters are winning.

My Jewish masters... right?


I suppose I should be looking out for their shifty eyes and hooked noses too....... You're Despicable.

free0352 said...

All of them hate, blame, and demonize liberals.

You are aware that the anti-defamation league I used as a source for YOUR KIND'S anti-semitism are liberals right. You are aware liberals are on my side of this right?

You're alone, isolated, and forgotten and relegated to the dustbin of history. International Answer and the anti-semetic, anti-american left you stand for is extinct, and rejected by both the American main stream left, even its hard left, and contemporary America.

They've seen through your conspiratorial, paranoid lies.

Dave Dubya said...

It seems Free has given up on discussing the topic of the post. His falsehoods were debunked so, as usual, he needed to focus his hate on me.

Sooo...

Free invents another lie:

His masters are winning.

My Jewish masters... right? I suppose I should be looking out for their shifty eyes and hooked noses too....... You're Despicable.


Free’s dishonest characterization would be what’s despicable, but that’s just the lying fascist Kochsucker that he is.

His masters are the Kochs, Neocons, John Birch Society, fringe kooks, war profiteers, mercenaries, Right wing propagandists and their ilk. He is their tool.

Is it time to list Free’s lies again? They’re piling up.

the anti-semetic, anti-american left

Gee, and here I thought I was a big Larry David fan… Go figure.

And behold, just like I said. Free is now stomping his feet and screaming, “Dave hates Jews! Dave Hates America!”.

Yes, the radial Right’s scapegoating and hate have always fueled fascism in just this manner.

I have to wonder why Free’s so agitated over my little rants. As a devoted “Climate Truther”, shouldn't he be out crusading against the sinister international conspiracy of evil climate scientists?

I’m flattered he focuses on me. I must be the greater threat to his extremist ideology.

Imagine that. I rank up there with an international conspiracy...if only in the view of one very angry, misinformed, paranoid authoritarian.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "Free has complete trust and faith in government secrecy and its excuses for war. One example: He still believes in nukular aluminum tubes..."

Free0352 also believes the Reichstag fire was started by communist arsonists.

Here's just a smattering of some of Free0352's rantings, which as I've indicated (in your previous post) I find entertaining. He's always good for a few laughs. Read and weep (or laugh, 'cause I do):

"Once again, the overwhelming portion of the Democratic Party is with me on this one."

and...

"You aren't on the smart side of that debate."

and...

"How many of Dave's wild conspiracy theories can we bring to light in one blog post. By the way believing in both of these, makes you a disgusting person."

Now...tell me whether this sounds like Free0352:

"These sub-humans do not understand how the people stand at our side. In their mouse-holes, out of which they now want to come, of course they hear nothing of the cheering of the masses." -- Adolf Hitler speaking about the Marxists during the Reichstag fire to Rudolf Diels

Told you he was a tool...

Dave Dubya said...

One Fly,
Yes, treason is exactly what the Bush"Cheney cartel committed. Due to the utter lack of opposition and appeasement by the so-called opposition party, none dare call it treason.

Instead, we hear the corporate media and politicians' drumbeats for more war, amid the chants of "American Exceptionalism", (Echoes of Master Race) that further exonerate the war criminals.


JG,
It really is funny how Free plays exactly into the reaction pattern I mentioned in the post. He won't debate the points because he knows I'm correct. All he can do is attack the messenger.

As predicted, Free had to call me anti-American and anti-Semitic. He has no choice. It's the universal blame and scapegoat practice of fascism. The "Tool's tool" of spreading the hate that fuels their fascism.

free0352 said...

Yeah Jeff, I'm such a Nazi - with my repudiation of antisemitism and non-white heritage...


Jeff and Dave will continue to vacillate between ever wilder conspiracy theories as I continue to point out the antisemitic nature of the "anti-war" groups to which they were both affiliated.

ANSWER was a key member in the anti-Iraq war movement and they had demonstrable ties to Hamas...

Tell us more how the Jews influence our government through their international conspiracy guys... Maybe you and the KKK can compare notes?

America rejects extremism and that is why this brand of leftism has been relegated to the dustbin.

free0352 said...

He won't debate the points because he knows I'm correct

I wouldn't waste my time explaining to the grand klegle how blacks are equal to whites either.

Dave Dubya said...

ANSWER was a key member in the anti-Iraq war movement

Ah, the old "liberals are terrorists who hate America" raises its ugly head, as predicted.

I suppose it matters nothing to certain fascists that some conservatives were opposed to the illegal war of aggression. Pat Buchanan was one of the rare Righties who sensed this was not smart. Pat Tillman, if Free can understand this concept, was also opposed to the invasion of Iraq. I guess that means he was a commie siding with the terrorists too.

These facts will be ignored as new fabricated accusations take their place.

He won't debate the points because he knows I'm correct.

I wouldn't waste my time explaining to the grand klegle how blacks are equal to whites either.


But nobody is equal to Free, we got it.

And yet another insinuation of Free's vast pool of projected hate.

What the hell is a grand Klegle? Some leader of Free's neo-fascist cult of hate? It's revealing the intimate knowledge Free has of paranoid fringe nuts. Peas in a pod.

His obsession with me is proof of his utter lack of standing on the issues illuminated in the post. He is not only afraid to argue in good faith, it is also an alien concept to the authoritarian personality.

Let's let Free be Free and say, stomping his feet and screaming, “Dave hates Jews! Dave Hates America!”.

It's as if hate is the only thing he understands. No surprise.

It is all he can do.

He cannot win the on the issue. And deep down he knows this, and is helpless to do anything but make it all about me instead. This has been his MO for quite some time. Just like a good little hate-filled Kochsucker.

There is no reasoning with the hate of an extremist like that.

As freedom and prosperity dies on the vine for 99% of Americans, Free will be cheering his economic elite masters and their destruction of democracy.

Then when the shit hits the fan, Free will, of course, blame and scapegoat liberals. Even Jewish liberals.

It's the fascist thing to do. One may be tempted to wonder how he sleeps.

John Dean's book "Conservatives without Conscience" explains his kind quite clearly.

His is the kind of hate that has always fueled fascism.


free0352 said...

I suppose it matters nothing to certain fascists that some conservatives were opposed to the illegal war of aggression. Pat Buchanan was one of the rare Righties who sensed this was not smart.

Yeah but you aren't one of those people. I'm sure neither are talking about the international Jewish conspiracy as you are Dave. If they ever did that would be news to me, but you spewing racist filth when it comes to jews is not new.

Dave hates Jews! Dave Hates America!

Your affiliation with ANSWER does that.

He cannot win the on the issue.

What issue? That Jews secretly control the US government? That isn't an issue, its a long worn, disposable prejudice that no one should dignify other than to condemn it. Lots of people didn't support the Iraq war, and they didn't delve into socialist-antisemitism to do it.

But you did.







free0352 said...

Notice here readers, my sources here aren't the ultra right wing Dave accuses me for being a mouthpiece for... its the ULTRA LIBERAL Anti-Defamation League.

free0352 said...

BTW, there has long been a serious problem in the ultra-left with blatant antisemitism.


Dave either hasn't gotten the memo this isn't cool anymore, or more likely doesn't even know that stuff that comes out of his mouth is blatantly racist.

Most bigots don't know what they are. Also notice I'm called a Nazi when I argue against antisemitic elements. Leftist projection.

Dave Dubya said...

So far Free is the only person “talking about the international Jewish conspiracy”. I wonder why? Shouldn’t he be more worried about the international conspiracy of evil climate scientists?

Your affiliation with ANSWER

“Affiliation” he calls it. Fabricated guilt by association. Add another to the list of accusations and denunciations.

He cannot win on the issue. “What issue”? Therefore he makes one up. One that doesn’t exist. Exactly like his Climate Truther cult beliefs.

notice I'm called a Nazi Remember when Free insisted Nazis were NOT fascists? LOL! How can he expect to ever be taken as a rational being? Incredible.

I called Free a fascist, not a Nazi. He is a fascist because his is the hate, lies and scapegoating that fuels fascism.

Fascists like Free have always made false accusations and scapegoats of liberals, educators, journalists, and yes, socialists. If we the enemies his paranoia and indoctrination tell him, I bet he’d be happy to round us up for the Koch Kamps for AmeriKan Re-education.

He cannot help but lie and hate. It is the pattern of extreme Right Wing authoritarian personalities.

So in review, Free is telling another lie by whining about being called a Nazi. Par for the course. Poor wittow victim of imagined events. Nobody feels more persecuted than the fringe on the far Right. Look OUT! Here comes Obama to take your guns!

Just kidding. This is also one of Free’s “non-issue issues” he loves to whip up when he has nothing to contribute to fair dialogue.

Free continues his personal attacks on the writer over the content of the writing. He cannot counter my facts and truths, so I am the enemy to his extremism.

Hate is Free’s most consistent emotional response, as he holds to his deep fear of my prevailing on facts and issues. Yes, big, brave Free is cowering from the truth, hiding from what is real, and spewing accusations like a senseless little angry brat. He is literally afraid to enter fair dialogue. He has lied, blamed, accused and everything else he can fabricate, just to hide from reality and evade civil discourse.

It is quite amusing how Free has been playing out his role exactly as I wrote it in my post.

Let's let Free be Free. Let Free maniacally scream, “Dave hates Jews! Dave Hates America!”.

He will never know what a tool he really is.

None so blind…

Dave Dubya said...

I wonder if Free read his linked article?

Some Jews on the left view groups like the ADL and AIPAC with skepticism, believing they deliberately blur the line between anti-Semitism and legitimate criticism of Israeli policy

Gee, who would ever deliberately blur the line between anti-Semitism and legitimate criticism of Israeli policy? LOL!!!

I guess Free would have to accuse those Jews of being anti-Semites.

free0352 said...

Then there's the secret agencies of certain belligerent Middle East nations that must not be named, lest one be accused of being "anti-Semite".

Sounds like Mel Gibson to me. It isn't guilt by association, you're saying it right here, on this blog post.

Calm down Mel. Jews really don't cause all the wars.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Free0352: "Also notice I'm called a Nazi when I argue against antisemitic elements. Leftist projection."

and...

Dave Dubya: "I called Free a fascist, not a Nazi. He is a fascist because his is the hate, lies and scapegoating that fuels fascism."

Yeah, Free0352 has thrown another blatant lie from left field. Definitely a fascist, but never have you called him a Nazi.

He makes up things as he goes.

You've never called him a Nazi, but I'd have to think Free0352 would have been one of the infamous Schutzstaffel members of the Third Reich had he lived in Germany at the time. His profile would have fit the T perfectly.

And the antisemitic thing? Don't have a clue where that came from, either. I suppose, in his hate-filled and paranoid worldview, being anti-Israeli government equates to being antisemitic.

Dave Dubya said...

JG,

being anti-Israeli government equates to being antisemitic.

Yep, and being anti-neocon equates to being anti-American. It’s the way fascists create scapegoats.

It isn't guilt by association, you're saying it right here

Let’s see if I assign guilt to the “Jews” in the paragraph Free found his “evidence of anti-semitism”.

I have named no culprits, and promoted no conspiracies. I understand who benefited most from the events of 9-11 and must consider the motives and the crime, as any reasonable person would. The motives and goals of parties who wanted war in the Middle East should all be considered. And yes, Al-Qaeda was one of those parties, but not the only one. So are the neo-cons who openly yearned for a "second Pearl Harbor". Then there's the secret agencies of certain belligerent Middle East nations that must not be named, lest one be accused of being "anti-Semite".

Just the facts. Each of these groups were big supporters of the invasion of Iraq. They all openly celebrate and approved of the Great Bush War Crime.

I don’t suppose in the crazed mind of Free my including al-Qaeda in this list makes me anti-al-Qaeda. All his demented mind can fabricate is I “hate America and Jews”.

The fact remains, all three of those named groups, AQ, and the American and Israeli far Right, have innocent blood on their hands. They have all terrorized and killed innocent human beings.

Free is a sociopath to the core. He will tell any lie and make any accusation to further his hate. And make no mistake, his is the hate that fuels fascism, repression and totalitarianism. It always has.