Monday, December 26, 2016

Silenced Majority v Extremist Minority

This past election the voice of the clear majority of Americans was politically silenced.

We were silenced by the results of the fatal flaw in our democratic representative republic. The Electoral College proved to be the poison pill in our Constitution that abetted a tyranny of the minority, the Extremist Minority.

Yes there were factors apart from the Electoral College that had some effect. Turnout is always an element. The partisan interference by a crooked FBI director was an unprecedented corruption of his office. An open invitation for Russian hacking from Trump revealed the warped and unpatriotic character of our next president.  Corporate media’s false equivalences and Clinton’s flaws provide many answers to how it happened.

The reasons don’t matter so much anymore. The damage has been done. Something else matters now. 

When the Extremist Minority seizes one-party rule, resistance is the only recourse for the majority. We the people, we the Silenced Majority, must resist.  We resist, or the authoritarian agenda forged by the hate-fueled Extremist Minority will prevail, until the inevitable destructions wrought by such tyranny ensue.

We must understand, even if we resist quickly, we may not be able to prevent or delay those destructions inevitably wrought by tyranny.

We the Silenced Majority must resist by wielding our power, our right of free speech. And we must resist emphatically, while we still have that right.
What is left of our free press will be further muzzled by the Extremist Minority. Far Right propaganda will be intensified. Dissent will be suppressed and viciously attacked.

This is certain.

But we have to remember how the Extremist Minority rose to power. 

Nobody whined louder than the racist and greedy Tea Party fringe when the dreaded Black Man won the White House. FOX(R) sponsored their events and gave them their megaphone. Ever the lapdogs, corporate media followed.

The Tea Party cult was never a majority, but they dominated the political discourse through constant attention from the corporate media. Trump would employ this tactic with a vengeance. His racist and demonizing birtherism fostered hate and ignorance in the most gullible and bigoted of our population. Throughout the election year, no voice was heard more than his in our corporate broadcast media.

Bullies are always the loudest.

We the majority must be louder.  

And we need to learn something else from the Tea Party. We must be more active. We must march. We must speak. We must write, and call our representatives and senators until they listen and respond.

We must attend any forum or town hall meeting that allows us to voice our concerns to House and Senate members.

They will be under great pressure to conform to the dictates of the Extremist Minority Administration and the Republican Party.

They must understand they will be hearing from us until the agenda of the Extremist Minority is defeated. They must know they will be voted out if they fail to defend our cause for freedom, equality and democracy.

We the people, we the Silenced Majority, must demand our rights. We must demand our Constitutional regulation of commerce, and our Constitutional provision for the general welfare. We must demand public ownership and benefit from public resources. We must demand public education and public health.

If we do not, the Extremist Minority will sell it all off, or outright give it to their friends.

We must demand an end to aggressive militarism. We must demand an end to brutal law enforcement and unjust laws. We must demand living wages, safer working conditions, and employee rights.

We must expose the corruptions, and demand accountability from the elites of the Extremist Minority.

The barbarians have crashed the gates and taken power. Civilization and humanity are imperiled by a narcissistic, authoritarian lunatic endorsing another nuclear arms race. He has a cabinet and advisors consisting of billionaires, racists, and paranoid, conspiracy mongering generals. This merging of authoritarian power is how fascism takes hold over democracy.

The struggle for freedom, justice, equality and democracy never ends.

If we do not resist with conviction and passion, we shall certainly surrender in final defeat to the tyranny of the Extremist Minority. 

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Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, your words could not be more elegantly spoken or truthfully told. This republic has entered the most dangerous time of our own lives on this earth, probably the most dangerous of this nation's existence. It would not be hyperbole to claim that we have been taken from within. The death knell will ring on January 20th.

"Our country is no longer controlled by, and for, We the People, but instead by, and on behalf of, international banking and multinational corporate interests. While the gradual, almost imperceptible takeover of our government by this corporate fascism has been evolving by design for many decades, it is a coup d'etat nonetheless and has been disastrous for the vast majority of Americans." The "imperceptible takeover", as I alluded to in the preface to my own blog, has now become very visible; the coup d'etat has succeeded.

The corporate state will increasingly continue to show the markings evident of a police state. As Wolin pointed out in Democracy Incorporated, inverted totalitarianism will enter its next phase. Free speech and assembly by those resisting the takeover will be met head-on by increased and fierce violence by those in power. Extremist and nationalist minorities will continue to exacerbate racial, ethnic and gender tensions, while the corporate state yields to, or completely ignores, their excesses and alt-right stances.

We're in for the fight of our lives, although we chose to be here. It's our fight to fight, and our cause to win. Best of luck to you and your family in the years ahead.

Majormajor said...

JG,

I feel sorry for you if you really believe believe what you just posted.

Who are the "nationalist minorities"? Can't be whites as they are not a minority, so who are you talking about?

"exacerbate racial, ethnic and gender tensions," do you include BLM in your comment?

"multinational corporate interests", as exampled by the past 8 years of our Open Borders and illegal Sanctuary Cities in their quest for cheap labor?

"almost imperceptible takeover of our government by this corporate fascism", are you including the failed government sponsored (fascism?) alternative energy corporations of the last 8 years?

"inverted totalitarianism", "Our country is no longer controlled by, and for, We the People", great example would be how Obama had to bribe Democrat Senators to get their vote for Obamacare!

I am happy to see your correctly called the USA a republic.

I wonder if HRC had won the election would you had said the same?

I'm sorry you no longer feel relevant, I hope you have access to a "safe room".

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/sheldon_wolin_and_inverted_totalitarianism_20151101

Sheldon Wolin author of Democracy Incorporated wrote:

“Unlike the Nazis, who made life uncertain for the wealthy and privileged while providing social programs for the working class and poor, inverted totalitarianism exploits the poor, reducing or weakening health programs and social services, regimenting mass education for an insecure workforce threatened by the importation of low-wage workers.”

Sounds like the Nazis were socialists. amirite?


"Wendy Brown, a political science professor at UC Berkeley and another former student of Wolin’s, said in an email to me: “Resisting the monopolies on left theory by Marxism and on democratic theory by liberalism, Wolin developed a distinctive—even distinctively American—analysis of the political present and of radical democratic possibilities."

Sounds like Wolin wanted to distinguish himself from the garden variety Marxist. No doubt to sell books for profit like that greedy mammon seeking Chris Hedges. amirite?

Dave Dubya said...

providing social programs for the working class and poor,

Sounds like Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama America was socialist too, amirite?

Trump and the Republicans, holding "Good Christian values" like Hitler said he did, will fix this socialist atrocity and eliminate aid to the poor, amirite?

Or will Trump be a socialist too?

Oh, my. Only deep thinkers like Archie can save us.

What's the answer Arch? Save us from the tyranny of safety nets and public health.

Let 'em starve. Let 'em die. Just like Capitalist/Republican Jesus wants?

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

"An open invitation for Russian hacking from Trump revealed the warped and unpatriotic character of our next president."

LOL. The DNC has been hacked for years.

The Republican primary had 17 people and showed diversity with women and people of color. The Democratic primary was a f*cking joke of Democracy, the DNC sacked Bernie from the beginning and they might have well put up a mannequin to pretend there was a third candidate.

Too bad for the Sore Losers that the hacking revealed the warped and unpatriotic character of the DNC and revealed how dirty, unethical, corrupt, and undemocratic the Democrats controlled by the progressives are:

DNC making fun of black womans name.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17942

DNC telling each other, “I love you too. no homo.”
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/425

DNC conspiring to create false Trump information and release with Reuters.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102

DNC Hillary supporters infiltrated Sanders campaign.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4776

DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a “rigged system.”
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8806

DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13762

Super PAC paying young voters to push back online Sanders supporters. Paid shills.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

DNC discussing Hillary’s policies as unfeasible.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/519

$200k for a private dinner with Hillary.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17287

Offering to send interns out to fake a protest against the RNC.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366

Dave Dubya said...

Is Arch suggesting it's more patriotic to invite Russia to interfere with our elections? How odd.

That makes some real con-sense to me.

I suppose that's part of Dear Leader's "make Russia great again" efforts. It's working. Putin loves his American useful idiots and their con-sense.

The DNC "sacked" Bernie? How odd, they "sacked" the only progressive running. Not very progressive of the DNC at all. But Arch knows better, amirite? He knows where those progressives are lurking alright. Apparently those "progressives" don't like Bernie.

Now that is some outstanding con-sense.

Per Link:
MSNBC has largely moved to having their contributors and talent do most of the on-air commentary and we don’t get many opportunities to have the Party represented.

What happened to the "liberal media"? Only Arch can explain why corporate media shutting out Democrats was the "liberal" thing to do.

The DNC "progressives" sacking Bernie. MSM not letting enough Democrats on air. How odd.

We need Archie's keen insight to explain these contradictory facts. Oh, wait. “There’s no such thing, unfortunately, anymore as facts", says Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes.

Never mind. Con-sense is much easier than dealing with facts anyway.

I can't wait for his solution to the "socialism" Reagan, Bush and Bush left us. He's pretty quiet about that socialism for some reason. Hello? Why did Reagan allow socialism?

We need more con-sense to explain these mysteries.

Help us Arch, or are you just blowing intestinal gas again?








ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Dave,

Sounds like Jefferson's hero Professor Wolin, according to Wendy Brown a Berkeley Professor and ex student, has resisted the monopolies on left theory by Marxism! LOL!

So Professor Wolin, and his "Inverted Totalitarianism", is not a Marxist? LOL LOL LOL!

Jefferson has basically admitted he is a Marxist Dave.

When will you come out of the closet and admit it also?

Dave, The people pulling the wagon voted for Trump and have had enough of your Welfare state plantation run by the DemocRATS.

LOL on your f*cked up rant.

Dave Dubya said...

Well, Arch you continue to dodge your previous con-sensical statement due to the very con-sense of its nature. We get it. You have no answers. This indicates a shallow capacity for reason and basic understanding. But who needs that when you have con-sense?

Now you apply the same con-sense about Wolin's Inverted Totalitarianism. Marx never mentioned such a thing in reality, but you say it's "Marxist". Sure.

And according to con-sense, Reagan was a Marxist who left socialism alive in the US.

Now we have determined both Wolin and Reagan are Marxists. Wolin certainly didn't leave socialized programs as a legacy in our government. This makes Reagan more a Marxist than Wolin, doesn't it?

I must be Right, since you passed on refuting or justifying the con-sense. And you obviously have no clue how to eliminate or replace our socialized safety nets and health care.

And Arch, you haven't addressed a single point in my post. This suggests you probably didn't read it. In the marketplace of ideas, you have little more than Trump change.

That matches your low level of intellectual curiosity. "A penny for your thoughts" seems to be their Free Market value.

Does that make con-sense to you?

Majormajor said...

"Oh, my. Only deep thinkers like Archie can save us.

What's the answer Arch? Save us from the tyranny of safety nets and public health.

Let 'em starve. "

Another load of authoritarian liberal crybullie crap!

Waw waw waw

Dave Dubya said...

No answer. Shocking.

Chuck bailed on facts and reason...again. More con-sense and gibberish offered. authoritarian liberal crybullie crap!

Say, why does Major Chuck respond to comments directed to "Archie"?

Liberals are just too dumb to figure that out, amirite?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

ArchiBunkerNYC: "Jefferson has basically admitted he is a Marxist..."

You'll have to explain your rationale, because there's no justification for your statement.

More con-sense?

Dave Dubya said...

Archie has basically admitted he's an incurious, arrogant, self righteous, low information, fact ignoring, reason impaired, authoritarian Republican.(The secret to Trump's support.)

That's OK. The poor guy needs someplace to post his con-sense. We certainly don't expect him to READ anything.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Can't be whites as they are not a minority, so who are you talking about?"

Well you, Chuck, of course. I'm surprised you didn't recognize yourself.


"...do you include BLM in your comment?"

The Bureau of Land Management? Of course not, Chuck. Are you telling me you didn't recognize yourself this time either?


"...as exampled by the past 8 years of our Open Borders and illegal Sanctuary Cities in their quest for cheap labor?"

So-called "sanctuary cities" have been around since 1979. Why do you tag this as an Obama enterprise? Oh, I forgot! You're a racist! Sorry...


"...are you including the failed government sponsored (fascism?) alternative energy corporations of the last 8 years?"

No, but I think the billions of dollars of subsidies that the government hands out to multinational corporations, such as the extraction industries, should be scrutinized. Don't you agree?


"I wonder if HRC had won the election would you had said the same?"

Of course, although nuanced a bit differently.

You still haven't figured it out, Chuck, have you? You're clueless.


"I'm sorry you no longer feel relevant..."

Feel more relevant than ever, actually.


By the way, Chuck, were you one of Trump's loyal nationalists who had a conniption fit when he tweeted a happy Hanukkah greeting yesterday? Which reply was yours?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "[ArchieBunkerNYC] needs someplace to post his con-sense. We certainly don't expect him to READ anything."

Conservatives don't read. It's antithetical to their con-sense.

Majormajor said...

Well JG you have surpassed your normal smarmy arrogant liberal elitists crybullie self.

By a lot.

Congrats, you are becoming even more irrelevant, more than you could ever imagine.

You don't get it do you, your same old tired liberal message is just that, old, old old.

You are being laughed at.

LOL

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Dave,

I saw Harry at the Colony Diner recently. He told me he gets a good laugh reading your Marxist rants and wanted me to tell you that elections have consequences.

I see a box to the left of your Marxist rant "Progressive Patriot Award".

Who gave you this award? www.cpusa.org?

How about "Marxist Agitator Award" instead? I would give you a thumbs up on that!

You can thank Obama for wiping out the Democrat Party representation at the Federal and State level over the last 8 years. Do you agree?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "You are being laughed at."

And I laugh at you -- while I weep for our nation. You, and your racist nationalist under-educated kind will push us over the precipice. Your misunderstanding of the predicament we face has opened the floodgates to tyranny on January 20th. Once we've hit rock-bottom, it'll be a leftist solution that people will look to for a way out of the hellhole. It's always been this way. If you survive, watch and see.

You never replied: what did you think of the response from your fellow nationalist loyalists when Trump tweeted his happy Hanukkah greeting a couple of days ago?

Dave Dubya said...

Arch,
You and "Harry" have shown no indication of reading my post. Is it too long for you?

Yes elections have consequences. After Bush defeated the Silenced Majority 3,000 Americans died on 9-11 and 4,000 more Americans died in Iraq. ISIS was another consequence of democracy suppressed by the Electoral College.

Now the question is now many innocent Americans and others will die as a consequence of the latest suppression of democracy.

As with the Bush debacle, this question doesn't bother our authoritarian con-servatives without conscience.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

"After Bush defeated the Silenced Majority 3,000 Americans died on 9-11"

Dave, do you think Bush was complicit in the 9-11 attack?

Have you read the "Iraq Liberation Act" signed by Bill Clinton, with almost 100% approval by Democrats, that recommended Saddam Hussein be removed from power?

Majormajor said...

As expected JG again rolls out the racist card, another example of his having nothing new to say, having nothing but old leftist failed solutions. Solutions so "wonderful" that have to be mandated...LOL.

As for as Trump and Hanukkah, I didn't know and really don't care if he wished Happy Hanukkah. Getting kind of desperate aren't you? Or is this fake concern indicating a change in your position regarding Israel?

What do YOU think about celebrating Kwanzaa?

BTW since you are an expert on racism, was Bing Crosby a racist because he sang "White Christmas"?

LOL, loser arrogant liberal elitist crybullie, LOL.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Dave,

In reviewing the above posts, I see the following struck a nerve:

“Unlike the Nazis, who made life uncertain for the wealthy and privileged while providing social programs for the working class and poor, inverted totalitarianism exploits the poor, reducing or weakening health programs and social services, regimenting mass education for an insecure workforce threatened by the importation of low-wage workers.”

Sounds like the Nazis were socialists. amirite?


We know Wolin is a Marxist. I can't follow your pretzel logic on how Reagan was a Marxist though. Please elaborate without a foaming at the mouth Marxist rant sir.

Dave Dubya said...

I can't follow your pretzel logic on how Reagan was a Marxist though.

It was a parody of your con-sense. You noted Nazis “providing social programs for the working class and poor” was socialism. I noted the US government did that under Reagan and continues to do so. Now you’re confused?

Inverted totalitarianism was a concept unknown to Marx. It can only be called “Marxist” by con-sense, not by reason.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Jefferson,

Professor Wolin says "Inverted Totalitarianism" is unlike the Nazis, yet you and your Marxist friends call the GOP Nazis. This is not logically coherent. Which is it my Marxist friend?

Wolin and Hedges pretend to be all knowing intellectuals but are good examples of Orwellian doublespeak, with their main goal of selling their books for profit. amirite?

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Dave,

You don't get it. You are the joke with your juvenile cry baby Marxist rants such as "Silence Majority v Extremist Minority."

The false "Hope and Change" messiah was a failure, look at how many seats the Democrats have lost in the last 8 years.

Move to Cuba while you still have the chance to live in social justice utopia and where the state run toilet paper company runs out of toilet paper!

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "majormajor" Morre: "Solutions so 'wonderful' that have to be mandated."

The GOP is the champion of mandating and intruding upon the privacy and rights of others. You know this.


"Getting kind of desperate aren't you?"

Not at all -- just showing you written evidence of the racist nationalist loyalists who put Trump into office. Just wanted to know if one of those responding tweets in the article was from you.


"Or is this fake concern indicating a change in your position regarding Israel?"

I'm not anti-Semitic. That's your realm, remember?

Although, yes, I'm highly critical of the Israeli government for its atrocities and genocide against the Palestinian people.


"What do YOU think about celebrating Kwanzaa?"

I don't celebrate it, myself, but believe that anybody wishing to celebrate whatever it is that makes them happy should be able to do so -- as long as it doesn't impose or infringe upon the rights of others.

What do you think about celebrating Kwanzaa? Are you in agreement with my answer?


"...was Bing Crosby a racist because he sang 'White Christmas'?"

I didn't know Bing Crosby, nor do I know too much about him, so I don't know whether he was a racist. He may have been -- but if so, it wasn't because he sang "White Christmas".

You obviously think it was a song about white nationalist pride and superiority. Don't you?

Chuck, you're among friends here. ;-) You're free to share your most horrific and darkest secrets with us. So, please, answer this truthfully: Are you a racist?

Dave Dubya said...

Arch,

Wow. I have three items to thank you for this time.

1. Wolin and Hedges...are good examples of Orwellian doublespeak

Pure low-information, illiterate con-sense. Orwell never used the term doublespeak. Just like Marx never used "inverted totalitarianism". These are, however, good examples of Orwellian "Ignorance is strength". And more proof you do not read anything but Breitbart, your "Ministry of Truth".

2. Thanks for your Extremist Minority con-sense. Here's what YOU don't get. Nazis loved to call their opponents Marxists. They scapegoated minorities and opposed unions and democracy. Very un-socialist of them, BTW. The question remains. Why do you emulate Nazis? Is it because you also have no conscience?

Reagan left us "social programs for the working class and poor". It's either socialist or it isn't. Make up your mind. It is Orwellian doublethink to say it is socialism under anyone but Republicans. I know this is beyond your intellectual capacity and will be duly ignored like every other lie and falsehood you repeat.

3. And thank you for proving you don't read anything I write.

I never fell for the "hope and change" line like you fall for the "Make America great again" line. We'll see how that one works out, won't we? Boy will you look foolish, even more than you do now.

Remember what Bush left us in 2008? "Bush, who?" amirite? 2008 never happened in "Con-sense World".

What will the Trumpist Republicans' one-party dictatorship do to bring us down this time?

Majormajor said...

Sure JG, right after you tell us if you are a homosexual or not.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Sure JG, right after you tell us if you are a homosexual or not."

Sure, Chuck, no problem. Just as your pseudo-self, ArchieBunkerNYC, claimed I was a Marxist and I replied honestly that I wasn't, I'm telling you with all sincerity that I'm not homosexual. (By-the-way, the contemporary language for those with same-sex preferences is "gay" -- just in case you weren't aware.)

If I were "homosexual" (using your preferred terminology), I'd certainly tell you. There's absolutely no shame or guilt associated with preferring sex with partners having the same equipment. But, and I'm sure this is going to disappoint you, I'm not. Does this burst your fantasy bubble? ;-)

Okay, I told you. Now, as promised, please tell me if you're a racist.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, while you're at it, please answer the questions I asked that you seemingly ignored:

(1) What do you think about celebrating Kwanzaa? Are you in agreement with my answer (from 11:55 AM, above)?

(2) You apparently think the song, White Christmas, was a song about white nationalist pride and superiority. Is this correct?

T. Paine said...

"We must be more active. We must march. We must speak. We must write, and call our representatives and senators until they listen and respond.

We must attend any forum or town hall meeting that allows us to voice our concerns to House and Senate members."

All of the preceding is excellent, Dave. I agree with you absolutely and we should have a vigorous and civil debate about the issues and each of us should fight for what he or she believes.

That said, you have long ago turned anyone that disagrees with you into an "other". They are part of the racist, homophobic, basket of deplorables that only serve mammon and their own quest for power. Your failure to see those with whom you disagree as Americans also is why you and those that share your same sense of terror about Trump only foresee the coming of the fourth reich under "Dear Leader Trump". You propagate fear instead of a debate of ideas, my friend.

You pay lip service to criticizing President Obama despite him ACTUALLY taking away or eroding our first, second, and fourth amendment rights among many others. And yet, you fear Trump will take away even more of your rights if he refuses to "regulate interstate commerce" or "provide for the general welfare" in some great progressive means. Trump and the millions of Americans who were ignored by Obama and the progressives are sub-human Tea Partiers to you seemingly. When you dehumanize people as such, that is how human atrocities can come to take hold. In other words, you are part of the problem, sir, and I know you are far better than that as a person, Dave.

Majormajor said...

JG,

1. I know Kwanzaa was created by a Black Nationalist Rapist. Celebrate all you want but do so with knowledge

2. White Christmas, with all the crap from liberals about white privilege and white men being the problem in America, and you being an expert on racism, I wanted to know if you thought Bing Crosby was a racist for singing White Christmas?

I'm not interested in using "contemporary language" IE gay, because based your past track record (most recent example, BLM) you would answer something smarmy like, "Yes I'm happy".

No, I am not a racist, regardless of what you say or think.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "I know Kwanzaa was created by a Black Nationalist Rapist."

Not according to what I've read. Your claim is unsubstantiated.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The intention of what he created is very positive. The "seven principles of African Heritage", which form the core of Kwanzaa, are uplifting and very clear and specific. How can you have a problem with it?


"...with all the crap from liberals about white privilege and white men being the problem in America, and you being an expert on racism..."

You've never seen a word written from me criticizing the idea of white privilege, or white men being the problem in America, etc., etc., but if you feel like whites should have special privileges and be granted special treatment, then I will start right now.

I've never claimed to be an expert on the subject of racism. You're the one who thinks I'm an expert.


"I'm not interested in using 'contemporary language'..."

So be it -- have it your way. Just thought you wouldn't want to sound so '50s -- since you already think that way. ;-)


"No, I am not a racist, regardless of what you say or think."

Okay, that settles it. You're the best judge of that. You sure come across as racist, though, in the things you write. I'll be sure to point out all your racist transgressions and innuendo when you comment here or on Tom Degan's blog.

Fair enough?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "You propagate fear instead of a debate of ideas."

Mr. Paine, we're living through the most fearful and troubled times of our lives. I can't speak for Dave, obviously, but the time for an honest debate of ideas has passed us by. That train left the station a long time ago.

We're in crisis mode now. The time for debate was long before we got to this point.

You agreed with me when we discussed our country's major party alternatives for president prior to the election. You were disgusted, as was I, at our lack of choice, and we both ended up voting for third party candidates. (At least you mentioned you did.)

You're singing a different tune now. Have Trump's cabinet selections given you newfound hope?

Dave Dubya said...

TP,
you have long ago turned anyone that disagrees with you into an "other".
Your failure to see those with whom you disagree as Americans.
You propagate fear instead of a debate of ideas.
You pay lip service to criticizing President Obama.
you fear Trump will take away even more of your rights if he refuses to "regulate interstate commerce" or "provide for the general welfare" in some great progressive means.
When you dehumanize people as such, that is how human atrocities can come to take hold
you are part of the problem.


Thank you sir. May I have another? ;-)

I have to admire your devotion. You needed to skip over a lot of demonization and anger towards me and liberals by your ill-educated, low-information ally here. IOKIYAR is the clear lesson, of course.

Just in this thread:

I'm sorry you no longer feel relevant, I hope you have access to a "safe room".
How about "Marxist Agitator Award" instead?
LOL on your f*cked up rant.
LOL, loser arrogant liberal elitist crybullie, LOL.
Please elaborate without a foaming at the mouth Marxist rant sir.
yet you and your Marxist friends call the GOP Nazis
You are the joke with your juvenile cry baby Marxist rants


Did you miss all of that? This is what I allow at my blog, but I’m the bad guy of course.

TP, old buddy, You complain about me avoiding issues, yet offer no issue to discuss. Did you not see the issues I raised in my post? I raised more issues than you did accusations. You complain of me attacking conservatives, as you level numerous accusations at me, offering no evidence to support them. AND you have nothing to say to your friend and his own hateful demonizing conduct. It comes so naturally to your ideology it fails to register on your radar. Hell yes, IOKIYAR.

I get it. I know you embrace confirmation bias. That is evident by your diatribe.

You still believe many of the lies about Saddam being in cahoots with al-Qaeda, nukular aluminum tubes, “biological labs” and other lies that led to 4,000 dead Americans and the formation of ISIS. You must deny the reality of the impact of air pollution. You jabber on with demeaning terms like “Democrat plantation” and have no clue what an insult that is to Blacks. I know you filter out everything you need to in order to hold to the purity of your ideological belief system. In fact you must do so because so much of your ideology cannot stand the light of objective rational review and fact based documentation.

So you must also believe I am “part of the problem”. Of course you do. Liberals have ALWAYS been demonized as the problem according to your ideological beliefs. This isn’t news. It’s been the program for decades. The far Right has been at it so long their mentality is in shock when a liberal takes a stand and fights back.

Dave Dubya said...

I have no shame in my positions,. They are founded on truth and basic human decency. And yes, even true Christian morals. You and I differ in that I agree with the Pope that unchecked, de-regulated capitalism has no conscience, is dominated by greed, and is harmful to human beings. I opposed Bush’s war based on lies, I oppose the torture that Bush and Trump have advocated. I oppose Trump’s proposed war crime of stealing Iraqi oil. I oppose his stupidity on a renewed nuclear arms race...and you pompously say I’m the one who “propagates fear”? Yup. It’s all the liberals fault again.

I oppose Obama’s war crimes of unconstitutional extra-judicial killing of Americans. Call it “lip service” to demean me, why don’t you? The fact is the Pope and I agree on ALL of these issues.

This stands in contrast with your ideology that sees executive orders and a health care program as the direst transgression against the Constitution.

Spare me your sanctimonious lecture. And if you want to accuse me of something, state the offense and show evidence. (How often have I made this reasonable request? It’s been ignored with every new wave of false accusations.)

I guess if that stuff has become un-American to your ideology, you will love Trump America.

Conservatives project their worst attributes unto liberals.

Don’t worry. I can take the heat. Even from my fellow misguided deluded Americans.;-) I know you mean well. And you know me well enough to not expect me to be a submissive target. OK?

Majormajor said...

"Your claim is unsubstantiated."

Kwanazaa was invented by Ron N. Everett aka Dr. Maulana Karenga -- founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers. He was also a dupe of the FBI. When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism," he essentially said that, under Kawaida, we also hate whites.

Karenga was convicted in 1971 for torturing two women. He pressed a hot soldering iron against their faces and put their fingers in a vise in an effort to get them to offer up some nonexistent "crystals" of poison. It seems that the paranoid Karenga thought he was being poisoned.

"Anyway, it doesn't matter. The intention of what he created is very positive."
Really JG, this is positive? Anyway! Sound's a lot like HRC's "what difference does is matter now anyway". Would you be as opened minded of a group founded by Dave Duke?

"I've never claimed to be an expert on the subject of racism", ok, I'll buy that as true. Based on you statement that I made racists comments about Arab's, would you please give me your definition of Racism?


"if you feel like whites should have special privileges". never said I did, in fact you don't know my race. You seem to assume because I'm a Conservative that I'm white, now that could by definition be called racism on your part.

"I'll be sure to point out all your racist transgressions and innuendo when you comment here or on Tom Degan's blog." Couple of things here JG, if, as you claim to not be an on expert racism, how can you point out what is racism? Is quoting facts racism?

Just a comment and question, I read a lot here and other places about the dangers of the extreme right, which is loosely defined as anyone who is to the right of center. Define for me what you would call the the dangerous extreme left?






Michael Stivic said...

Dave,

Congratulations on Jim and TomCat awarding you the Progressive Patriot Award even when not long ago your blog censored free speech!

Why don't you pat yourself on the back for achieving this prestigious award?

What can we do to get back all the seats taken by the GOP since Obama showed up out of nowhere with nothing but community organizing experience?


T. Paine said...

JG, I voted for Darrell Castle with the Constitution Party. I refused to vote for Trump or Hillary. As for "singing a different tune" now, I am heartened by some of Trump's cabinet choices such as General Mattis for Defense Secretary, and greatly concerned by others. Trump's seeming arrogance in not wanting daily intelligence briefings is greatly troubling too, considering the dangerous world in which we live and which Obama greatly exacerbated.

I will praise Trump when he follow the constitution and governs wisely. I will be his strongest critic when he does not. I did the same with Obama, it just appeared that I was always critical of him. That is simply because there was little he did that was wise or constitutional in which to praise him.

T. Paine said...

Dave, I don't have the time nor inclination to address all of your falsehoods, my friend. Let's look at just a few though.

NOWHERE can you ever find that I have supported unregulated and unchecked capitalism. I think capitalism is messy and horrible, but far preferable to anything else out there. Further, I have stated that there needs to be laws to prevent monopolies and protect workers etc. (in other words, it needs regulation.) What there doesn't need to be are the tens of thousands of regulations that choke off capitalism and rewards crony capitalists.

There may very well be areas where I disagree with the Pope's opinions. I am under no obligation to agree with him on all things, as he too is a fallible human being. As a Catholic, I am obliged to follow him in matters of Doctrine and Dogma. Further, the left and the media are notorious for taking Pope Francis out of context, whether on gay issues or marriage. He has changed nothing of doctrine which is based on millenia of scripture and tradition from Christ. And yet you all would have us believe that everything has changed. Pope John Paul II was an ardent opponent of communism/socialism and was was one of the major factors along with Reagan and Thatcher of why the USSR failed and lost the cold war. I was under no obligation to agree with him either regarding his despisement of socialism, even though I did agree.

The main difference with Pope Francis, which is taken out of context, is his approach and sense of mercy and desire for reconciliation with those who disagree with Catholic doctrine. I think it is a good change in focus and one that is quite Christ-like.

As for Saddam and that whole bunch of ill-informed false-hoods you always resort to in debates, I have written specific line-for-line rebuttals of documented support for my positions on this and you have chosen to ignore them. That is fine, but done tell me that I am the one ignoring the facts, my friend.

Michael Stivic said...

JG,

Thank you so much for educating us about "Inverted Totalitarianism" from Professor Wolin. He is so smart.

Since you read Wolin's book, can you tell us more on how "Inverted Totalitarianism" is unlike the Nazis, or do you just parrot what comes out of the mouth of people like Wolin and Hedges who are so smart and like to sell their books for profit?

I'm thinking of contacting Jim and TomCat to recommend a Progressive Patriot Award for your blog.

After all, if Dave can get the award why shouldn't you? Its only fair, just say'n.

Maybe I can get one for my blog. That would be social justice.

I don't see why Tom Degan doesn't have the award since his blog is better than Daves. At least Tom does not foam at the mouth in his rants, just say'n.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Michael Stivic" Morre: "Since you read Wolin's book, can you tell us more on how 'Inverted Totalitarianism' is unlike the Nazis..."

I'll give you a quick-and-dirty synopsis. Like I've told you in the past, though, I will not spoon-feed you.

Whereas all past and typical totalitarian regimes were controlled and directed by a prototypical figurehead/strongman (e.g. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin), "inverted totalitarianism", as theorized by Sheldon Wolin, is based upon an underlying array of power that's not readily visible or apparent. "[I]t is, at its best, a 'managed democracy', where the public is shepherded, not sovereign. At worst, it is a place where corporate power no longer answers to state controls [government controls], but is instead a close collaborator."

The "worst condition" is where we are right now. I suggest that you read the book, like I did, although I think it would be too complex for you to understand. It wouldn't be comprehended by most who haven't graduated from college.


"Maybe I can get [a Progressive Patriot Award] for my blog."

Probably not. The first prerequisite is having a blog. ;-) Since you don't, you're not eligible.


"That would be social justice."

There wasn't any social injustice.


"I don't see why Tom Degan doesn't have the award since his blog is better than Daves [sic]."

Then move over to Tom Degan's blog if you find his better. Isn't that the logical "free market" thing to do?

Majormajor said...

JG,

"Your claim is unsubstantiated."

Kwanazaa was invented by Ron N. Everett aka Dr. Maulana Karenga -- founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers. He was also a dupe of the FBI. When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism," he essentially said that, under Kawaida, we also hate whites.

Karenga was convicted in 1971 for torturing two women. He pressed a hot soldering iron against their faces and put their fingers in a vise in an effort to get them to offer up some nonexistent "crystals" of poison. It seems that the paranoid Karenga thought he was being poisoned.

"Anyway, it doesn't matter. The intention of what he created is very positive."
Really JG, this is positive? Anyway! Sound's a lot like HRC's "what difference does is matter now anyway". Would you be as opened minded of a group founded by Dave Duke?

"I've never claimed to be an expert on the subject of racism", ok, I'll buy that as true. Based on you statement that I made racists comments about Arab's, would you please give me your definition of Racism?


"if you feel like whites should have special privileges". never said I did, in fact you don't know my race. You seem to assume because I'm a Conservative that I'm white, now that could by definition be called racism on your part.

"I'll be sure to point out all your racist transgressions and innuendo when you comment here or on Tom Degan's blog." Couple of things here JG, if, as you claim to not be an on expert racism, how can you point out what is racism? Is quoting facts racism?

Just a comment and question, I read a lot here and other places about the dangers of the extreme right, which is loosely defined as anyone who is to the right of center. Define for me what you would call the the dangerous extreme left?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Karenga was convicted in 1971 for torturing two women."

I told you earlier that your claim was unsubstantiated when you wrote, "I know Kwanzaa was created by a Black Nationalist Rapist." [bold font added for emphasis]

So which is it? Was he a rapist or a torturer?

(By the way, George W. Bush authorized torture by the U.S. military and the CIA, but I suppose that was alright with you? Did you leave the GOP for his transgressions?)


"Really JG, this is positive?"

Yup!


"Would you be as opened minded of a group founded by Dave Duke?"

Are you opened-minded about, and agreeable to, the torture authorized and condoned by George W. Bush? Are you open-minded about the burning of, and torturing of, so-called witches and other non-believers by early Christians?


"...would you please give me your definition of Racism?"

I'll do better than that! I'll give you the same definition that I gave to you previously (under Dave's last posted article): "Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity." ~~ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't you remember? (You seem to have early signs of dementia. You might want to have that checked out.)


"You seem to assume because I'm a Conservative that I'm white..."

No, I've never assumed you are white -- only a dickhead. Is that racist? ;-)


"...if, as you claim to not be an on expert racism, how can you point out what is racism?"

Repeated from above: "Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity." So, when you comment with remarks like, "The Democratic Plantation", or, "Mooslims", you're being racist. (Both of which I've seen from you.)


"I read a lot here and other places about the dangers of the extreme right, which is loosely defined as anyone who is to the right of center."

No, that's your interpretation. You've never seen or read that on this blog.

"Define for me what you would call the the dangerous extreme left?"

Your statement is an oxymoron. There isn't a dangerous extreme left.

Michael Stivic said...

"Whereas all past and typical totalitarian regimes were controlled and directed by a prototypical figurehead/strongman (e.g. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin), "inverted totalitarianism", as theorized by Sheldon Wolin, is based upon an underlying array of power that's not readily visible or apparent. "[I]t is, at its best, a 'managed democracy', where the public is shepherded, not sovereign."

Right on JG! I hear you. Kind of like Jonathon Gruber and his people shepherding all the citizens into believing we could keep our doctor and health plan under ObamaCare and then being forced to buy it under penalty of the law. They knowingly lied when they said we could keep our doctor and health plan to sell the disaster called ObamaCare. That is inverted totalitarianism my progressive friend JG!

Gruber is on video mocking the “stupidity” of American voters and boasting of the Obama administration’s ability to take advantage of it. "Inverted Totalitarianism" at its finest!

Thank you JG!
Thank you Professor Wolin!

Majormajor said...

By the way, George W. Bush... and the holiday GWB created was.....?
Karenga and the other men forced the women to remove their clothes, and beat them with an electrical cord and a karate baton. The men put a hot soldering iron in one woman’s mouth and against her face, and they squeezed one woman’s big toe in a vise, the Times reported. Karenga’s former wife, Brenda Lorraine Karenga, testified he sat on one woman’s stomach while another man forced water into her mouth through a hose, according to the Times. “Vietnamese torture is nothing compared to what I know,” Karenga allegedly told the women. So this is all ok because there was no rape? Or that GWB ordered water boarding? Talk about false equivalences!


After cutting through your usual sophistry, arrogance, and elitism, you finally got to the real point of my post, and it's your answer:

"There isn't a dangerous extreme left."

Breath taking!... Such self navel searching, and you wonder why Americans are laughing at you?

LOL

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Michael Stivic" Morre: "They knowingly lied when they said we could keep our doctor and health plan to sell the disaster called ObamaCare."

Hmm... Since the Affordable Care Act has been in existence, I've had the same health insurance provider and the same doctor. Why haven't you? (You must have done something wrong, Chuck.)

By the way, Chuck, in case it hasn't become apparent to you (and I'm sure it hasn't, since I view you as basically "clueless" - with the emphasis on less), I've never been a supporter of the Affordable Care Act.

So, what does this mean, you ask yourself? It means you're barking up the wrong tree! (Nothing new for you, though, huh?)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "So this is all ok because there was no rape?"

Who said it was okay? I didn't. I was merely pointing out that you were lying once again. (But that's nothing new for you, is it?)

Chuck, don't forget...you go to Hell for lying! (You're going to burn like a tinderbox on a hot dry day. You might want to request to be buried in flame-retardant clothing.)

Michael Stivic said...

JG on ObamaCare:
Hmm... Since the Affordable Care Act has been in existence, I've had the same health insurance provider and the same doctor. Why haven't you? (You must have done something wrong, Chuck.)

Bill Clinton on ObamaCare:
"So you've got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world," Clinton said.

Hmm... JG, maybe you are clueless and have been living under a rock.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Michael Stivic" Morre: "They knowingly lied when they said we could keep our doctor and health plan to sell the disaster called ObamaCare."

As I said, Chuck, I've had the same plan and doctor all along. Why haven't you? Were the forms too difficult to complete? Maybe that's because you had to read them! ;-)

Michael Stivic said...

JG,

So Bill Clinton was lying? lol on your view on ObamaCare which is a DISASTER.

What a selfish person you are. You call yourself a Progressive? No skin off your arse if millions of other people have had to pay much more for less coverage. amirite?

My Anthem plan was eliminated. The lowest cost plan had 40 percent higher premiums, higher deductibles, and less coverage than what I had previously.

Millions of people pulling the wagon in the private sector experienced similar changes like me.

Workers in Government most likely did not see as drastic changes.

No, I won't be contacting Jim the Muslim and TomCat about recommending the Progressive Patriot Award for your blog. The selfish Ayn Rand in your soul has been exposed for all to see.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Excuse me, Chuck, but I think I may have misinterpreted what bothers you most about the Affordable Care Act. Is it: (1) existing doctor and health insurance provider not guaranteed, or (2) premium increases and coverage decreases?

I might have a solution for you -- depending upon which is most important.

Michael Stivic said...

JG,

You won. Keep your rose colored progressive glasses on.

Bill Clinton was lying about how bad ObamaCare is.

My Health plan costs like millions of other peoples plans did not go up.

ObamaCare was an outstanding law and won't be repealed.

Hillary won the Election.

George W. Bush pushed the plunger for the explosives that brought down WT7.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Michael Stivic" Morre: "Bill Clinton was lying about how bad ObamaCare is."

Bill Clinton is known to be a notorious liar -- as is his wife.


"My Health plan costs like millions of other peoples plans did not go up."

I don't understand what you're attempting to say here. Poor grammar.


"ObamaCare was an outstanding law and won't be repealed."

No, it isn't outstanding at all. It most likely will be repealed. The question is, what will the GOP choose to replace it? Whatever they choose, it will be just as, if not more, expensive. That's a certainty.


"Hillary won the Election."

She did?!?!?


"George W. Bush pushed the plunger for the explosives that brought down WT7."

I doubt it. He was still hiding out somewhere in the late afternoon of that dreadful day. Dick Cheney wouldn't let him play president until all the smoke cleared.

Besides, they rarely push plungers anymore. That's cartoon stuff -- you've been watching too many Road Runner shows. Demolition is quite sophisticated now days -- it can even be done electronically and remotely.

Majormajor said...

JG,

We will go to hell for breaking any of the 10 Commandments, and if it were not for a loving God who providing for us the replacement to pay the price for our breaking of His laws, we would all go to hell, regardless of our good works. All of us have broken at least one of the 10 Commandments, including you JG. If you acknowledge there is a hell, then you are acknowledging it is there for a reason.

If, as I suspect, you were just trying to get my goat and you do not believe in hell, I'm afraid you failed miserably. My faith is not predicated on your approval, any more that your mocking of my faith weakens it. You can and do get under my skin with your smarmy elitist authoritarian liberal posts. Posts that when reviewed at a later date, are short on substance and long on code words and talking points, and got you-isims while avoiding any meaningful discussion about a policy and the results of the policy.

I misread the charges against Karenga and made an error in stating he was rapist. I will not bother listing your mistakes and lies, as it only prevents debate of the issues.

I have used the term "The Democratic Plantation", but not "Mooslims". You define racism as "Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity." How does the term Democratic Plantation qualify as racism?

Define "dick-head".

Michael Stivic said...

"My Health plan costs like millions of other peoples plans did not go up."

You remind me of Mozart, sharp as a bowling ball. Read the phrase to Siri, she will help you.

Go read some more about the latest bullshit theory by Marxists like the next phase "Inverted Totalitarianism." Chris Hedges is a pompous bullshit artist. He makes his money by selling refried Marxist theory with extra fixins to people like you who eat it up. amirite?

Michael Stivic said...

JG,

Before you reply, I know asshole, that Wolin came up with "Inverted Totalitarianism".

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "If you acknowledge there is a hell, then you are acknowledging it is there for a reason."

I don't acknowledge that there is a place known as "Hell", other than the hell we create for ourselves on this earth. All other is just fable and metaphor.


"You can and do get under my skin with your smarmy elitist authoritarian liberal posts."

Great! As George W. Bush once remarked, "Mission accomplished!"

By the way, I've been over this with you in the past. The one creating the articles on blogs makes the "post". Those commenting, like you and me on this blog, are merely commenting. Get it right. (Unless, of course, you were referring to my own blog.)


"...while avoiding any meaningful discussion about a policy and the results of the policy."

That's always been the complaint about you. Projecting again, I see.


"I misread the charges against Karenga and made an error in stating he was rapist."

You have a tendency to do this. Apology -- though there wasn't one -- accepted. ;-)


"How does the term Democratic Plantation qualify as racism?"

I'll let you figure that out. Once you do, please let me know.


"Define 'dick-head'."

I'll let you figure that out, also, but mostly it's what I think about when I see your name.

Dave Dubya said...

How does the term Democratic Plantation qualify as racism?

In itself it doesn’t “qualify” as racism. Racists happen to love the term. It is a racially charged dog whistle term or “code words” for insulting blacks as unable to determine their best interests in voting. Comparing voting for Democrats to slavery is wrong. It is false. It is degrading. It is insulting.

I attempted to educate TP on this issue, but he refuses to understand racists love their “plantation meme”.
==
What it looks like to a black man:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/opinion/blow-blacks-conservatives-and-plantations.html

From:
Blacks, Conservatives and Plantations
Why do Republicans keep endorsing the most extreme and hyperbolic African-American voices — those intent on comparing blacks who support the Democratic candidates to slaves? That idea, which only a black person could invoke without being castigated for the flagrant racial overtones, is a trope to which an increasingly homogeneous Republican Party seems to subscribe.

The implication that most African-Americans can’t be discerning, that they can’t weigh the pros and cons of political parties and make informed decisions, that they are rendered servile in exchange for social services, is the highest level of insult. And black politicians are the ones Republicans are cheering on as they deliver it.

Now who, exactly, is being used here?

Dave Dubya said...

From a thread at TP’s blog:

DD:
One last appeal to human decency.

Tell me what's wrong with this statement, if your moral compass can fathom it.

"Jews are mostly Democrats. When will they see they need to get out of the Democrat concentration camp?"

Do you get it yet???

TP:
As for your "concentration camp" analogy, I understand the point you are making, Dave. The analogy is hardly the same though for many obvious reasons. The final solution of eradicating Jews in concentration camps is not the same as the Democrats inviting more poor people into the country in exchange for their votes through government dependency.

DD:
I don’t think you understand at all. You dismiss the essence of the analogy and make a false comparison I didn’t make. Perhaps your conscience needs the distraction.

You refuse to recognize what an insult it is to blacks. Your ideological beliefs are what allow you to see no moral comparison in the analogy. This is sad. Conservatives obviously do not hold a monopoly on values.

The analogy, and fact, is Jews and Blacks were regarded as lesser people, brutalized, and held against their will. You can point out differences, but dismissing the similarities is just your rationalization. It is not ok to inject camps into Jews voting behavior, and it is not ok to compare voting for democrats to slavery. Don’t you see that is exactly what you are doing???

Racists do this for a reason. What is your reason? Ask yourself that question, in light of being informed that it insults blacks. What you want to do is insult blacks and pretend to be shocked when you are compared to a racist.

Slavery killed blacks too you know. We know those Black lives didn’t matter as anything more than property. Rubbing that horror into their faces and comparing slavery to how blacks vote is reprehensible.

I’ve shown you the words of a black man saying the term is insulting.

You know better of course. You are right, and the black man has no idea what he’s talking about because he’s not a Republican. Or whatever your twisted rationalization is. Ideology dictates your morality, or lack thereof.

So no, you do not understand my point. If you do understand and continue the talk racists employ, that is your choice. That is what you deliberately choose to reflect your far Right “values”.

David Duke likes the plantation meme:

“You’ve just seen the perfect example of a HOLLYWOOD plantation slave! Sorry, Mr Williams. But the fact that you were standing on that stage at THOSE awards tells people you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Just spewing hate and anger.”

There’s that far Right projection again, too.

You have chosen to use the language of a Klansman. Say racist crap like David Duke and you will be called a racist. Why is that, do you suppose?

T. Paine said...

So the fact that I first learned the plantation scenario from a black lady, Star Parker, that used the analogy to describe ALL POOR PEOPLE "enslaved" by the government doesn't count because you have another black man that says that such a meme is racist. She climbed out of the welfare system for her children and saw what it did to OTHER POOR PEOPLE OF ALL COLORS by such enslavement. But to you and your quote from another black man, it is still racist.

I get it. (She is an Uncle Tom or a traitor to her race in progressive eyes, I am sure.)

However, you and other leftists have also told me that I am racist and "hate the black man in the White House" because I disagree with his policies. You assign motives to my disagreement that simply aren't so and assume it is because of the color of his skin pigmentation.

That said, God, my friends (especially those of color), and my family know the truth about me so I will ignore your diagnosis because you want to continue to play the race card and identity politics.

You see, Dave, I look at fellow human beings as Americans. You look at them as hyphenated Americans... Black-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, gay-Americans etc. The left is very good at dividing people and playing the race card when no bias exists. It is simply another way of doing so and making it "us" against "them" when "them" is those other stupid, racist, homophobic, conservatives that vote for the GOP or even Trump. It makes "them" the sub-humans. It is truly Hitleristic when you find a group of people and demonize and dehumanize them as society's scape goats, sir.

And yet you cast aspersions of racism around whenever a political point can't be made otherwise. This is truly sad that the state of our national political debate has devolved to such a level. I guess this is one more part of the legacy of President Obama: he took so much American good will, even from those that disagreed with him politically, and yet he chose to divide the nation instead of uniting it.

What side of that equation do your actions suggest you were on, Mr. Dubya? Who is the one truly seeing race in every issue instead of judging people by the content of their character?

Majormajor said...




"There isn't a dangerous extreme left."

JG
12/2016

Majormajor said...

Democratic Plantation

"In itself it doesn’t “qualify” as racism." Thank you Dave!!


"insulting blacks as unable to determine their best interests in voting."

Interesting on several fronts.
With 95% of black voters voting democrat for over 50 years, what do they have to show for it? Interesting how it is white racism when whites vote in their best interests but not when blacks do the same. In fact I believe they are called racist for doing so.

Thanks again DD!

Dave Dubya said...

Democratic Plantation

"In itself it doesn’t “qualify” as racism."

The hate and ignorance behind the cons and Klan that use the term is what is racist.

We can only note how conservatives eagerly embrace that hate, falsehood and ignorance.

That is the self imposed measure of their character

TP,

Did I call you a racist? No. I did not.

You throw so many false accusations you've become detached from reality. Repeating the racist meme that voting for democrats is the same as slavery only supports this evaluation.

I tried to tell you some truth. You embrace the Klan talk despite that. You wonder why cons are called racists and prove why they are. They choose to talk like them.

You are defensive because you use terms racists are fond of using. Continue to do so and it will happen is what I'm saying.

Your hateful meme is insulting. It is demeaning. It is what racists say. For those obvious reasons it is hateful and it is evil. There you have it. This is what shows the content of your character, not mine.

The false demeaning insults of David Duke are what you embrace.

You dismiss a black man's word so you can repeat the Klan talk. YOU are guilty of the accusation you level at me.

Again, my question is WHY do you choose to say the crap racists love to say????

Does it make you feel superior and righteous? If so, then you and Duke share more than just his words, but share his hate and his lies. Just because some hateful black Republican says something, doesn't mean it is true, or ok for whites to wield as a bludgeon. Ah, but Republicans never lie do they? Well, that settles it. They are a cult.

One thing is certain. Most racists lack the insight that could tell them they are racists.

Are you one of them? I hope not, but you invite the label at any rate.

Herr Trump divides us with rallies for his voters! That is an open slap in the face for most Americans. THAT is how you divide Americans. But Obama "divided" America? No, the racism in white America divides us. The hateful demonizing from the Right divides America.

You probably don't get that either. If Obama did it, we'd NEVER hear the end of it though.

IOKIYAR or a con.

Dave Dubya said...


TP,

More "wisdom" from Star Parker:

“In their own blind conceit, they’re so arrogant, they can’t even see how evil or wicked they are. They actually believe that progressivism and socialism in a free country is going to work.”

“the radical extreme of Muslims and this president and all secularists have in common is they hate that biblical worldview, so therefore they hate America and they hate Israel.”

On President Obama’s remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast: “It was verbal rape. Frankly, what the president did was verbal rape,” Parker said. “He stole all the energy in the room. He stole from all of us. He stole the momentum in the room, he stole from our country, he stole from the world.”

Mused that family life for African Americans was “more healthy” under slavery than it is today.

Referred to the Congressional Black Caucus as “the overseer today” that wants to torture black people and keep them “uneducated” and “on the plantation.”


I bet David Duke quotes her too.

Nothing divisive to see here. Move along.

Majormajor said...

Why DD, are you blaming the Black WOMEN?

Still laughing at you as you and your other liberals become irrelevant..

Happy New Year Dave, LOL

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck,
No. I'm not blaming "the black women". I quoted one stupid divisive hateful black Republican who happens to be a woman.

This is what demonizing hate and ignorance looks like. "radical extreme of Muslims and this president..hate....hate...hate...and "plantation".

You and TP and David Duke all proudly sing the same song, but not a racist in sight, amirite?

How are we to tell the difference? We just have to trust the wisdom and honesty of the Far Right. I mean the the wisdom and honesty of the "not racist" far Right.

Got it.

It is never irrelevant to expose and oppose the willful ignorance and deliberate hate from the radical Right.

That's what I do. And I thank you for showing us what that hate and ignorance looks like.

Happy New Year to you, as we go from the hottest year on record to an even hotter one.

Damn that Chinese global warming hoax, amirite?

Hail, Dear Leader Trump, honest and humble hero to the common man. The "Christian" who never asked for forgiveness, for the Orange Savior is very much the pussy grabbing billionaire Republican Christ.

"Values".

Ignorance is strength comrade.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

At least one progressive, Matt Taibbi, has pulled his head out of his butt and is questioning the "Russians hacking the DNC" canard and says its starting to stink like those Iraq nukular WMD stories.

Maybe Matt will lose his "Progressive Patriot Award" for telling the truth.

Blaming Putin and the Russians for hacking our electoral system is absurd when it is done without any evidence, yet the progressive penguins still walk in lock step behind Barry the bullshit artist and his latest canard.

Its OK in LibTard minds that Obama spent $300,000 of US taxpayer to try to defeat Netanyahu's reelection though. amirite?

It took 8 years for Matt to finally figure out that Barry's best skill is blowing smoke up our arses. Barry is a better liar than Slick Willie and Nixon.

Thank God and Allah that Barry will be gone in a few days!

Dave Dubya said...

Yes, Arch. And we've learned that inviting Russia to hack Democrats is actually patriotic, amirite? It just makes con-sense.

"Libtard" again?

Nazis, Republicans and Klansmen all hate and demonize others.

Nice club ya got there.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

ArchieBunkerNYC: "Maybe Matt will lose his 'Progressive Patriot Award' for telling the truth."

Speaking of, I received a letter yesterday informing me I've been nominated for this award. I'll be sent the documentation to post on my blog in a few weeks! :-)


"Barry is a better liar than Slick Willie and Nixon."

Nobody's a better liar than Bill Clinton!...except most Republicans, that is.

And nothing stinks more than the official 9/11 conspiracy theory lie, though, wouldn't you say Arch? Unlike the apparent lack of evidence on the Russian hack, there's plenty with the 9/11 hoax.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Lol JG,

Things have changed since our youth. In little league only the first place team got a trophy, now every team gets a trophy. And with that the trophy means nothing but a waste of wood and metal.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

"Yes, Arch. And we've learned that inviting Russia to hack Democrats is actually patriotic, amirite? It just makes con-sense."

Donald Trump:
"Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump said to a room full of TV cameras as well as reporters from the Miami Herald/Tampa Bay Times. "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

Donald Trump:
"That gives me a big problem," Trump said in Doral. "After she gets a subpoena! She gets subpoenaed, and she gets rid of 33,000 emails? That gives me a problem. Now, if Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean, to be honest with you, I'd love to see them."

Russia has been hacking the US and the US has been hacking Russia for years. IF they had Hillary's emails, they had them before Trump's statement. I interpet Trump making the statement more to point out the fact that Hillary was CRIMINAL in deleting the 30,000 emails AFTER being subpoened.

I too Dave and millions of others would have loved to have seen the 30,000 emails deleted by the criminal Hillary who put national security at stake by storing State emails on an unsecured email server.

If the DNC could have obtained hacked and damaging RNC emails, they would have deleted them?

The mainstream media would not cover the truth that exposed how corrupt and dirty the DNC and Democratic Party was with the wikileaks emails that did not have the deleted 30,000 emails that most likely had very damaging material (yeah Dave, they were only about yoga, wink wink). And why should the Mainstream Media cover the wikileaks emails, when they are basically working for the Democrat Party? But What Difference Does It Make at this point that the 30,000 have never been found, amirite?

But no doubt deleting those 30,000 emails by Hillary was OK and patriotic in your mind, amirite?

As Matt Taibbi points out, there is no PROOF that the Russians obtained the emails, but just keep following the party Ministry of Truth line Dave!

Dave Dubya said...

Russia has been hacking the US and the US has been hacking Russia for years.

Oh, really?

But NEVER at the invitation of a con man and liar running for president..until the Putin Puppet Orange Savior.

there is no PROOF that the Russians obtained the emails

Oh, really?

So we are to ignore the previous statement? Orwellian doublethink has nothing on con-sense, Komrad.

She gets subpoenaed, and she gets rid of 33,000 emails?

No. She requested they be deleted BEFORE the subpoena.

The mainstream media would not cover the truth

Right. Sorry, that is another LIE. The corporate media obsessed with Hillary’s email more than ALL other issues combined.

Now for some more con-sense.

Hillary’s emails were a “threat to national security”. Now they are gone so Russia can’t see them. This makes Republicans mad. It’s more patriotic to have Russia, or anyone else, hack them, amirite?

America first? Hell, no.

Der Republikaner Party Uber Alles, mein Freund!

Fascism rises in our one-party dictatorship under Dear Leader. Hail, Trump!

Still laughing and celebrating with the Klan, the Kremlin , North Korea, ISIS, and China, Komrad Chuck?

Nice club you got there. Very “patriotic”.

Con-servative “values” on display.

We the Silenced Majority and defenders of liberty, democracy and fair representation shall resist the tyranny of the Extremist Minority.

Count on it. And count on me to call out the ignorance, racism and hate from con-servatives.

Eternal vigilance and resistance to tyranny is our patriotic duty.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.

Didn't need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

"Right. Sorry, that is another LIE. The corporate media obsessed with Hillary’s email more than ALL other issues combined."

You Lie Dave. Only Fox News covered the content of the Wikileaks emails in depth, NOT CNN/CBS/ABC/MSNBC.

Keep spewing your lies and I will contact Jim and TomCat to have your "Progressive Patriot Award" revoked!

Dave Dubya said...

So how much did FOX cover the pussy grabber story from an admitted sex offender?

Here's the LIE
Only Fox News covered the content of the Wikileaks emails in depth, NOT CNN/CBS/ABC/MSNBC.

Just a few from CNN:

WikiLeaks hack collateral damage can be deeply personal ... - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/clinton-hack-wikileaks-collateral-damage/

Oct 27, 2016 - New DC routine: Wake up, search WikiLeaks, wince. By Tal Kopan, CNN .... Leaked emails show Clinton staff's frustration. SOTU LYNCH Bill ...

WikiLeaks releases more DNC emails near eve of election - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/2016/11/06/politics/wikileaks-dnc-emails-surprise/

Nov 6, 2016 - With just two days before the election, WikiLeaks late Sunday night released a new trove ... Hacked Clinton staff emails show frustration, blame.

What (more) we've learned from the Clinton campaign ... - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/.../podesta-emails-wikileaks-what-learned-hillary-clinton/

Oct 27, 2016 - Stolen emails detail distress in Clinton campaign 01:54 ... WikiLeaks has been dumping the thousands of emails in groups every day for more ...

What we've learned from the hacked emails of Hillary Clinton's ...

www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/.../hillary-clinton-campaign-email-hack-what-learned/
Oct 18, 2016 - Washington (CNN) The emails hacked from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta have offered an insight into the inner workings ...

WikiLeaks releases transcripts of Clinton Goldman Sachs ... - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-speeches/
Oct 17, 2016 - But the campaign has not challenged any emails in other WikiLeaks releases and this is the second time transcripts from Clinton's paid ...

WikiLeaks reveals Hillary-world vexed by 'Bill Clinton Inc.' - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/bill-clinton-inc-foundation-wikileaks-emails/
Oct 28, 2016 - Washington (CNN) A handful of the emails and documents hacked from the private email account of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John ...


Liars are sinners. Unrepentant liars go to Hell...with Trump the unrepentant sex offender.

Bring marshmallows and a stick.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/the-fbi-files-on-clintons-emails/

The FBI’s summary of its investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton contradicted some of her past statements about her use of a private email system for government business:

The Clinton campaign previously had indicated that her personal emails were deleted BEFORE Clinton received a congressional subpoena on March 4, 2015. But the FBI said her emails were deleted “between March 25-31, 2015” — three weeks AFTER the subpoena. The campaign now says it only learned when the emails were deleted from the FBI report.



Not sure where you get your facts from Dave but it was a pretty lame spin job on your part.

To delete the emails 3 weeks after the subpoena is CRIMINAL.

Dave Dubya said...


So was that enough CNN coverage? I accept your retraction.

To delete the emails 3 weeks after the subpoena is CRIMINAL.

That is your opinion. The FBI Director(R) disagrees.

You whine like Bush/Cheney emails didn't get deleted too.

IOKIYAR, amirite?

The question becomes, why are you still obsessed with emails? The media never let it go. She suffered the consequences.

Trump is Dear Leader.

Get over it.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

LOL Dave on the Networks covering the emails, you lose:

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/301009-is-there-actual-fire-in-the-smoke-of-trumps-media-criticism

"In viewing recordings by The Hill of each major network's evening newscasts, which are watched by an average total of 22 million to 24 million people nightly, the newest batch of WikiLeaks revelations was covered for a combined 57 seconds out of 66 minutes of total air time on ABC, NBC and CBS.

Those leaked emails include derogatory comments about Catholics by senior Clinton campaign officials and more disturbing examples of collusion between the media and her campaign It's newsworthy stuff) —

On the other hand, allegations from four women of unwanted sexual advances by Trump were covered a combined 23 minutes.

Add it all up, and one presidential candidate's negative news of the day was somehow covered more than 23 times more than another candidate's negative news of the day."


23 to 1, where is the social justice Dave that you cherish so much?

No Dave, The mainstream media did not spend time going into the details of the wikileaks emails. Why should they display the hypocrisy and corruption in the emails if they are part of the Democratic Party?

But What Difference At This Point Does It Make Dave about the emails that revealed the dirtiness and corruption of the DNC and Democrat Party?

Hillay lost, and as Barry said "Elections Have Consequences!" amirite?

How's the popcorn tasting?

Dave Dubya said...

So the best you have is ratings from ONE DAY?

Figures. That's called "cherry picking". Slim pickins indeed.

What also figures is that cherry-picked day was in the week of Dear Leader's famous admission of being a sexual predator. Pussy-gate was all over the news, as it should have been. And it should still be shown every damn day for the world to see the true sociopath that Dear Leader is. "What difference does it make?" Amirite?

Now THAT is what criminal behavior looks like.

From now on, every time you mention emails, I will respond with Trump's admission of sex crimes.

Want to go there?

The Email story is over. Still can't get over it?

Majormajor said...

Like I said, Blaim the Black Woman

Any truth to the report that the Obama administration interred with elections in Israel?

Majormajor said...

Interfered. Dog gone auto spell check

Dave Dubya said...

Under Obama, the United States agreed to provide Israel a record $38 billion in new military aid over the next decade.

"Blaim" the black guy?

Majormajor said...

In the last Israeli election, the Obama State Department funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to the opposition of Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations found that the State Department and a group called One Voice coordinated political activities — including the building of a voter database, the training of activists, and the hiring of a political consulting firm tied to President Obama himself.

$350,000 of taxpayer money was given to OneVoice. On the surface, that money was supposed to help the peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine.
However, the cash was instead spent on stopping Netanyahu from winning.

Netanyahu was still victorious in his bid for re-election.

Most recently, President Obama told British voters that they better not vote for Brexit — the public vote for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union (EU) — or they would find themselves “at the back of the queue [line]” in getting any sort of trade deal with the United States. Of course, with Obama leaving office on January 20, he would not be making any trade deals with anyone much longer anyway.

Yes it is true, Obama administration interfered with Israel election as Obama did by trying to effect the Brexit election in the UK. The good news is that his efforts were as successful as his support of HRC.... total failure.LOL

From Rolling Stone

Something About This Russia Story Stinks

Nearly a decade and a half after the Iraq-WMD faceplant, the American press is again asked to co-sign a dubious intelligence assessment

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439


Damn straight I blame the Black Guy, lol!!!



Dave Dubya said...

As we know "Peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine" is the opposite of what Netanyahu is about.

Politifact:

Our ruling

A conservative blog claimed, "Obama has been sending taxpayer dollars, at least $350,000 to fund anti-Likud, anti Netanyahu groups in Israel for tomorrow’s election."

First, there is the matter of the dollar amount. If any U.S. money was used to mobilize anti-Likud voters, it would have been in Israel. A more accurate figure would be $233,500.

Next, there is a matter of the blog’s tense. "Has been sending" says the action is continuing. In this case, the money stopped flowing in 2014, before elections were called in Israel.

Finally, the allegation that the money was spent to fund anti-Likud, anti-Netanyahu groups in Israel for the election is based on speculation. Yes, Obama sent money to OneVoice, a group that promoted a two-state solution. And yes that group partnered with a different group V15 that wanted Netanyahu defeated. But there is no paper trail that the money given to OneVoice was spent on an electoral ground game....This claim rates Mostly False.


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/25/blog-posting/blog-claims-us-funded-anti-netanyahu-election-effo/

Yes, as we also all know it's patriotic to INVITE Russian hacking.

What about that "Iraq-WMD faceplant" again?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

The countdown begins in earnest. We're, what, nineteen days from the point where historians will mark when the accelerator stuck to the floor and the nation sped uncontrollably toward the abyss?

Well, that's assuming anybody is left to write about it.

Majormajor said...

DD

And your source is the same one that said if we liked our Dr. we could keep our Dr. under Obamacare?

LOL

"uncontrollably toward the abyss"...

The Priesthood of Science: A Work of Utopian Fiction
By William Leiss

Stolen by JG.

LOL

Majormajor said...

How out of touch are liberals like JG and DD?

This AP Times Square Alliance poll gives some insight to how irrelevant

Americans weren't thrilled with 2016. Only 18 percent said things for the country got better, 33 percent said things got worse, and 47 percent said it was unchanged from 2015.

On a personal level, they were optimistic about 2017.

Fifty-five percent said they believe things will be better for them in 2017. That's a 12-point improvement from a year earlier.

Blame the Black Guy, credit the White Guy?



Dave Dubya said...

Chuck has bigger problems.

Dear Leader has banned guns from his inauguration.

Trump is anti-Second Amendment after all. (At least for other people, not him, amirite?)

What's next?

Yes, I also kept my doctor. And global warming is real.

Majormajor said...

Russian hacker made me change my vote: confession of a Hillary voter...LOL


Pretty weak DD, even for you.

Majormajor said...

The Washington Post has retracted its story about Russian hackers penetrating the nation’s electricity grid with a virus found in a Burlington, Vt., electric company laptop.

“Authorities say there is no indication of that so far [that Russians had penetrated the US electric grid],” according to an editor’s note attached to a corrected version of the story on the paper’s Web site.

“The computer at Burlington Electric that was hacked was not attached to the grid,” the editor’s note read.

More pro DNC Fake News exposed. Next thing you know the WAPO is going to say Secy of State's illegal server could not have been hacked.


Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "Dear Leader has banned guns from his inauguration."

Dear Leader will go back on most of his promises to the deplorables and degenerates who count on him to make America "grate" again. I wonder how long it will take them to figure out they've been played?


"Yes, I also kept my doctor."

Me too. I think Chuck just couldn't figure out the paperwork.


"And global warming is real.

According to all the data, unfortunately so. Increasingly, it's the primary threat to humankind. The ramifications from increased global temperatures (new and threatening viruses and bacteria, as just one example) are numerous. It's certainly not just increased ocean levels, as the ignorant and uninformed may think.

Although, without any sound evidence or proof, Chuck will believe that Jesus walked on water and turned water into wine. It makes no sense.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Oh, forgive me, I forgot. It's his "con-sense".

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Defying Donald Trump’s Kleptocracy:

"Trump plans to oversee the last great campaign of corporate pillaging of America. It will be as crass and brazen as the fleecing of the desperate people, hoping for a miracle in the face of dead-end jobs and ruinous personal debt, who visited his casinos or shelled out thousands of dollars for the sham of Trump University. He will attempt to unleash a kleptocracy—the word comes from the Greek klépto, meaning thieves, and kratos, meaning rule, so it is literally 'rule by thieves'—one that will rival the kleptocracies carried out by Suharto in Indonesia and Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines. It is not that Trump and his family will use the influence of government to increase their wealth, although this will certainly take place on a massive scale; it is that hundreds of billions of federal dollars will be diverted into the hands of cronies, sleazy bankers, unethical financial firms and scabrous hedge fund managers. The pillars of the liberal state will be obliterated."

I will not subject myself to the shameful indignities that will abound on the day before, but have committed to participating the following day in one of the largest protests in Washington D.C. in recent years. Please join us on Saturday, January 21st, as tens of thousands from all over the country march with the aim to "send a bold message to [the] new administration on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights."

The road back to sanity will begin on the streets of D.C. on January 21st. Be there if you can.

Majormajor said...


Over half of the American population showed disapproval of President Barack Obama's pet project Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, a poll carried out by Gallup revealed on Thursday.

Only 44 percent of the U.S. public support the law, the survey showed.

The results of Americans' approval of ACA:

Approve: 44 percent
Disapprove: 51 percent

Policy's so good they have to be mandated and Democrat Senators bribed to support.


But you're not a Marxist JG, even though you agree with him.

LOL

Dave Dubya said...


Chuck,

Are you angry Dear Leader won't allow you to bring a weapon to his inauguration? IOKIYAR?

But you're not a Marxist JG, even though you agree with him.

Chuck thinks Marx was pro-Obamacare, something originally drafted by the Republican Heritage Foundation. Right. That makes about as much con-sense as Marx's non-existent concept of Inverted Totalitarianism and managed democracy.

Ignorance is strength Komrad Chuck. And you obviously agree with Dear Leader that inviting Russian hacking is now patriotic...for Putin's Puppets. Chuck is now a loyal "Putin Puppet".

Say Chuck, do you still agree with David Duke on the false and racially insulting "plantation" meme? All you "not racists" think alike, amirite?

Birds of a feather flock to Putin and David Duke. What else do they have in common?

KKK + PP = Trumpism.

Heil, Trump!

Dave Dubya said...

Since Chuck likes polls:

Gallup: January 2, 2017

As Donald Trump prepares to take the presidential oath on Jan. 20, less than half of Americans are confident in his ability to handle an international crisis (46%), to use military force wisely (47%) or to prevent major scandals in his administration (44%). At least seven in 10 Americans were confident in Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton in these areas before they took office.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "Chuck thinks Marx was pro-Obamacare..."

Yes, and he continues to insist that I am also, although I explicitly stated I wasn't a fan (on December 30, 2016 at 5:20 AM). Poor boy...serious comprehension challenges.


"Birds of a feather flock to Putin and David Duke. What else do they have in common?"

Speaking of "birds of a feather", I heard a rumor that Dear Leader hopes to sneak onto the street, incognito, as Big Bird on January 21st - said something about "grabbing them by the pussy." ;-)


"Gallup: January 2, 2017

Wow! Wow!! That's daunting, wouldn't you say? The fact that 70% of Gallup-polled Americans gave anticipated good marks to incoming presidents as far back as Bill Clinton, but Herr Drumpf's results lingered only around 45%, speaks volumes!

Wow!!!

Majormajor said...

WikiLeaks’ publication of emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta revealed the close ties between prominent journalists and the Clinton campaign. Many of those same journalists will now be covering the Trump White House.

Anyone surprised? No more than the crybullies DD and JJ rolling out their same old tired, worn out claims. Get caught quoting Marx and wow, its All Hands on the sinking liberal ship's deck.

Or better still putting words in my mouth. Classic! Project much??

Yawn.

LOL

Dave Dubya said...


"Emails" again. Yawn.

How is that worse than the criminal sexual assault Trump bragged about? IOKIYAR of course.

"Get caught quoting Marx and wow, its..." projection, when such words go unquoted, "putting words in my mouth" becomes Chuck's latest projection. Classic.

Shocking expose from Wiki.

Journalist "Close ties" according to Politico spokesman Brad Dayspring. "In this case, the reporter was attempting to check some very technical language and figures involving the DNC's joint fundraising agreement with the Clinton campaign."

"Checking the relevant passages for accuracy was responsible and consistent with our standards," the statement continues. "Sharing the full piece was a mistake and not consistent with our policies. There were no substantive changes to the piece."

Just like FOX(R) amirite? Not at all.

Obviously amateurish compared to the propaganda pros on the Right.

FOX(R) and Breitbart (R) "Journalists" will show their close ties and parrot Trump, while attacking critics of the Banana Republican government.

Anyone surprised?

Yawn.

LOL


T. Paine said...

I don't have great hope for Trump's administration, but I will pray that he will govern wisely and constitutionally, just like I did for President Obama.

As for the ACA, my doctor decided to leave his practice because of Obama-care, so I DID lose my doctor specifically because of it. The same was true for one of the specialists I occasionally saw here.

I am probably a racist for pointing this out though... :)

T. Paine said...

"Emails again. Yawn." And yet if it were Bush that did it, you would be rightfully having a fit about it.

Next, true journalism is all but dead with the mainstream media.

It is amazing the excuses we make if it is for someone with our same political ideology.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

I have no reason to think Trump has read the Constitution. He obviously holds himself above the law as a boasting sex offender. No Starr Chamber for him though. IOKIYAR, after all.

Your doctor left his practice because of Obamacare? Did he give you any details why? I hope you found a better doctor, TP. I wonder how many doctors have had to declare bankruptcy because of Obamacare. I know fewer patients have.

I agree Obamacare is flawed and needs to be replaced by a more sane, compassionate, and cheaper system(with better outcomes) than one that sacrifices billions of dollars to middlemen suits who provide zero health care.

We also need to curtail the choke hold by Big Pharma holding vital medicines hostage to their greed.

You can bet who will make more money under Trump. I would hope I lose that bet, but nobody will take it anyway.





Dave Dubya said...

TP.

It is amazing the excuses we make if it is for someone with our same political ideology

This explains why you are not as mad at Cheney for using a private email server as you are at Hillary?

"True journalism" can only be from FOX(R) and Breitbart(R) now?

And we can count on them for our "True science" from now on too?

At least there's no political agenda or ideology corrupting them.

Majormajor said...

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says there's an "obvious" reason the Obama administration has focused on Russia's alleged role in Democratic hacks leading up to Donald Trump's electoral win.

“They’re trying to delegitimize the Trump administration as it goes into the White House,” Assange said during an interview with Fox News's Sean Hannity airing Tuesday night, according to a transcript of excerpts from the network.

“They are trying to say that President-elect Trump is not a legitimate president,"

No, tell me our Constitutional loving, liberal crybullie would do this? I'm so shocked
LOL

They will continue to do and to try anything to become relevant again. Like the Marxist Women's March on DC

Got any new nifty Marxist based quotes to respond to me?

My parent's Dr. closed his practice due to the liberal policy so good it had to be mandated, Obamacare. Of course if you were under a union contract or a govt employee, you can say, like DD, you kept your Dr. A prime example of Fake News. Isn't that right DD?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "I am probably a racist for pointing this out though..."

No, but your doctor's decision to abandon his practice may have been because he is. ;-)

So-called "ObamaCare" was a great big giveaway to the insurance providers. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows this. The bigger question, right now, is what does Herr Drumpf intend to replace it with when Congress repeals it? Emergency room visits?

Or will "compassionate conservationism" make an encore performance and people will be kicked to the curb and told they shouldn't have gotten sick?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "My parent's Dr. closed his practice due to the liberal policy so good it had to be mandated, Obamacare."

No, your parent's physician closed up shop for the same reason thousands of physicians nationwide have left their practices in the last twenty years or more -- they were squeezed between the health insurance companies on one end, and the pharmaceutical companies on the other.

Or, maybe like T. Paine's primary physician, he (or she) is also a racist. ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

...and of course, let's not forget the greedy price-gouging by pharmaceutical companies, of which Mylan Pharmaceuticals is just one example.

I guess it has never occurred to conservatives that four-hundred percent (400%) price hikes have an effect on the higher cost of healthcare.

Majormajor said...

We see with the most recent posts from JG, the arrogance of the left. Only THEY know the real reason why Dr give up their practice, only THEY know who is racist. Only THEY have the arrogance to declare from their thrones on Mt. Marx what is best for us.

Mean while they turn a blind eye to the smooth presidential transition Obama vowed? They forget Obama mocking Mitt Romney for suggesting in 2012 that Russia was America’s worst strategic threat. Obama said: “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”

As often happened when Obama shoot from the lip sans teleprompter (think his red line in Syria, ISIS is a JV squad), the aloof one was wrong.

Attempting to run from the man they so strongly supported in his two elections they now claim Obama was not a liberal. Showing again their arrogance, and fear of being pinned to a failed President.

Claiming there is no dangerous left, leftist show their arrogance, and their blindness to reality.

Watching liberals attempting to remain relevant will become the political entertainment for the next four years.

LOL, America is laughing at liberalism as it's fake news, fake concerns for people is exposed.

Dave Dubya said...

four-hundred percent (400%) price hikes

A “free market” run health care system has no conscience, of course. It ignores human suffering and death while pursuing its only value, profit. No wonder cons like it. Profit over people.

“Values”.

only THEY know who is racist... Whines a "not racist" who spews the hateful, demeaning and insulting "plantation meme" along with "not racist" David Duke.

And let's not forget Dear Leader's "not racist" birtherism accusing the only black president of not being an American.

"Values".

LOL, America is laughing at liberalism as it's fake news, fake concerns for people is exposed.

But 3 million more Americans voted for Hillary than for Dear Leader. Complete con-sense LOADED with arrogance, ignorance and projection.

Chuck, Thanks for showing us your “values”.

Dave Dubya said...

Republicans Vote to Weaken Office of Congressional Ethics

More of those con-servative "values", amirite?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck Majormajor Morre: "We see with the most recent posts from JG, the arrogance of the left."

That's the worst you can claim about the Left? ;-) That just proves how correct we are.


"Attempting to run from the man they so strongly supported in his two elections they now claim Obama was not a liberal. Showing again their arrogance, and fear of being pinned to a failed President."

As an avowed leftist through-and-through, I never voted for the corporatist Obama. Please stop claiming, as you have on many occasions, that I did.


"Claiming there is no dangerous left, leftist [sic] show their arrogance, and their blindness to reality."

Now, I did make the claim there isn't a "dangerous left" in the United States, yet you're appalled at my statement. Where is the "dangerous left" in your mind? Please enlighten me.

Majormajor said...

GREAT AGAIN:
CONSTRUCTION HITS 10 YEAR HIGH
FORD CANCELS MEXICO PLANT
EXPANDING IN MICHIGAN

Liberals pissed.


LOL

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "Republicans Vote to Weaken Office of Congressional Ethics."

How convenient. The era of increased theft from the American people, and ever greater giveaways to the corporate plunderers, is set to shift into high gear.

As I've already said, in not so few words, hold on to your asses.

Dave Dubya said...

GREAT AGAIN:
CONSTRUCTION HITS 10 YEAR HIGH
FORD CANCELS MEXICO PLANT
EXPANDING IN MICHIGAN

UNDER THE BLACK GUY'S TERM!!!

How great will it be in 4 years?

T. Paine said...

JG, I assume by your smiley face that you were just teasing me about my former doctor being a racist. :)

His last name is Lopez and he is Hispanic in his ancestry. I, therefore, don't think it is likely that he is a very devout racist.

...Although, our gracious host, Mr. Dubya, has explained to me that his "black man's" opinion trumps my "black woman's" opinion, since her's is "racist", so I suppose Dr. Lopez could be a raving racist too, by that logic. Perhaps Dave's black man trumps my black woman because Dave is sexist! ;)

T. Paine said...

And I am SURE that Ford cancelled their plans to build in Mexico because of things President Obama has done. Give me a break. Surely you are not that naive, Dave.

T. Paine said...

That is akin to Iran releasing the hostages because of the things Carter did...

Dave Dubya said...



TP,

You miss my point, of course. We best shut up and credit Dear Leader like the rest of the cult.

You are like the white guy who justifies calling blacks "niggers" because you saw a black man calling another "Nigga".

It's not ok. Blacks have more leeway in their language about blacks than whites do. You don’t get it.

You are choosing to share that insulting meme with David Duke. Is he seen as a racist? Why is that? Because of the things he says. Talk like a racist and be called a racist.

Get it? Now why do you insist on repeating that hateful lie and insult? You must be very attached to that meme for some reason.

Here's the fact you dismiss in order to demean blacks who vote for Democrats.

Voting for Democrats IS NOT THE SAME as slavery.

Read that again. Tell my why saying “voting for Democrats is slavery” is NOT insulting??

It’s as if you are in a cult of hate to spew that con-sense, brother. You are both a liar and a disgrace to decency when you join in David Duke's chosen memes.

Try this one where I use con-sense from the other angle.

“Whites voting for the party of Trump are like Nazis voting for Hitler.”

Darned if I can see anything wrong with that... How about you? ;-)

You can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it, old buddy. That’s what happens when you are in the habit of demonizing liberals by reflex conditioning .

Now educate yourself about more Republican treachery:

Did Iran Delay Hostages Release To Ensure Reagan's Election?

http://www.wrmea.org/1987-october/did-iran-delay-hostages-release-to-ensure-reagan-s-election.html




Majormajor said...

What did President Obama do that caused Ford to cancel their plans to build in Mexico?

Crickets, LOL

"Did Iran Delay Hostages Release To Ensure Reagan's Election?"

Sure Iran did because they thought Reagan would be so much easier to deal with than Carter. Oh yeah, and Bush flew on a SR71 to Paris, right?
LOL

U.S. Conservatives Outnumber Liberals per Gallup.

Lawsuits pile up against Obama administration's new transgender care rule.

Male college students to undergo ‘critical self-reflection’ of masculinity.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/30561/

And liberals still don't get why they are the laughing stock of America.

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck,
You mean Reagan would send Iran more weapons for hostages, amirite?

TP,

And why are some conservative African Americans so fond of slavery imagery as a default defense? “Plantation”? Really?

It’s insulting to the black men, women and children who were actually slaves, who endured far more than verbal pushback or questions from a few senators. Invoking their memory and sacrifice seems self-pitying and shameful.

It’s also insulting to African Americans who happen to be Democrats because just maybe they agree with a majority of the party’s platform. If Carson is off the plantation, does that mean they are on it?

And the last time I looked, Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), who survived beatings, batons and worse as a civil rights activist, was nobody’s slave.


- Mary C. Curtis -

Just another Black woman who doesn’t know she’s a slave?

David Duke, Chuck and TP all seem to agree this is so.

More con-servatve "not racist values".

Majormajor said...

"You can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it." Project much DD?

Interesting saying blacks voting democrat with so little to show for their votes is now racism. Yet when the subject is broached, the liberal response has been one of two talking points:

1. Blacks are voting democrat because it's in their interest(even with no proof).
2. What has the GOP done for Blacks

Both of these comments assume that Blacks vote democrat because they expect something in return for their vote. Yet after 50 years of doing so have the promised changes been delivered? If the murder rate in Chicago, the number of black single parents, the % of blacks in jail, the black high school drop out rate, is any indication, then Blacks are getting nothing for their democrat vote. Just like black slaves got nothing for their labor on the plantation. Sorry this is so far over your head.

T. Paine said...

Sigh... I am not really sure why I bother with the Sisyphean task of providing context and truth to your distortions, exaggerations, and falsehoods, Dave.

"Voting for Democrats IS NOT THE SAME as slavery."

In and of itself, your statement is true. There are indeed many Americans that vote "Democrat" that are not "financial slaves" to the government.

However, in context, if a person OF ANY COLOR, who is dependent upon the government for his or her livelihood simply continues to vote for Democrats to ensure that their "entitlements" will not be reduced or eliminated, then in essence they are choosing to be dependent upon that government. They will rise no higher in life and will depend on the taxpayers' largesse in order to pay for their shelter and sustenance. Is that indeed not a form of financial slavery, Dave? Quit with the politically correct crap for a minute and read the words. Are they not accurate, my friend?

There has not been legalized slavery in this nation where one person is the property of another for over 150 years, and yet I absolutely get why some Americans of color take offense to the plantation analogy. They should. It rings of a dark time in our history when the evil institution of slavery did exist. People should also be disturbed at the new "financial slavery" that many poor folks voluntarily enter into today. The plantation analogy IS ugly because it hearkens back to involuntary slavery. Why people would voluntarily choose to be little more than financial wards of the state today amazes me, accordingly.

When one chooses to be dependent upon another for their very survival, then one does become a "slave" to that person's wishes. Yes, the plantation analogy is hyperbolic in its usage, but the analogy for ALL POOR PEOPLE that choose to vote for Democrats simply to keep their assistance checks coming in does seem to jibe pretty accurately. We will vote for you, if you provide for us. In essence, one becomes a slave to the government.

And for the record, because I know you will totally ignore my point, I deplore David Duke, the KKK, and all other people that see themselves as better because of the color of their skin. That is a foolish and asinine concept. It is as ridiculous in this day and age as political correctness is in order not to offend whiney-ass kids hiding in their college safe zones. It becomes impossible to have a civilized intellectual debate when one of the parties is offended by even masculine or feminine pronouns.

Are there black people I dislike? You betcha! Are there white people I dislike? Myriads of them! There are far more that I do like though and I choose not to categorize people based on their outward physical appearance, which seems so damned important to the left with their identity politics BS. I, rather, try to take each person (REGARDLESS OF COLOR) and judge them based upon the content of their character. If we had done that as a nation, we would not have put Obama in the White House, and been forced with the main choice of two more character-deficient people to replace him.

Okay. I am done. Go ahead and call me a racist yet again... I'll go talk to a wall instead. It has a better chance of listening to me.

T. Paine said...

MajorMajor, well said on that last comment, sir. Of course that just proves our racist credentials to our outraged host.

Dave Dubya said...



The brick wall we're talking to is made of con-sense.

“saying blacks voting democrat with so little to show for their votes is now racism.”

What does this con-sense refer to? We need TP to translate this latest “victim card”.

Blacks are getting nothing for their democrat vote. Just like black slaves got nothing for their labor on the plantation.

And there it is again. Voting for democrats is “just like” slavery. Utter con-sense. A LIE.

And the same stupid argument says blacks get "free stuff" for their votes. Orwellian doublethink again.

“Well said”, how’s that again, TP? “Just like” slavery??? "Well said" like David Duke.

Amazing.

This must also be true.

“Jews are getting nothing for their democrat vote. Just like Jews got nothing for their labor in concentration camps.”

Why is this insulting? TP? Chuck” Anyone? Does a Jew, or David Duke, need to say it first so you can repeat this one?

“Poor Whites are getting nothing for their republican vote. Just like black slaves got nothing for their labor on the plantation.”

Fair statement? Or IOKIYAR?

Brick, meet wall.

Dave Dubya said...

And then there’s this con-sense:

1. Blacks are voting democrat because it's in their interest(even with no proof).
2. What has the GOP done for Blacks


The reality is this.

Exhibit A:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/opinion/the-retreat-from-voting-rights.html

The Retreat From Voting Rights

In 2012, 70 percent of black voters used early voting — and cast ballots at a slightly higher percentage than whites. Although black voters made up about 20 percent of the electorate, they made up 41 percent of voters who used same-day registration.

The North Carolina Legislature set out to change those figures and suppress minority votes. Its many impediments to voting all disproportionately affect African-American and Latino voters. None of their attacks would have survived pre-clearance under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. A Republican official defended the law this way: “If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it.”


Exhibit B: Same State, same Republicans

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/opinion/voter-suppression-in-north-carolina.html

Voter Suppression in North Carolina

North Carolina Republicans are at it again. Barely one month after a federal appeals court struck down the state’s anti-voter law for suppressing African-American voter turnout “with almost surgical precision,” election officials in dozens of counties are taking up new ways to make it as hard as possible for blacks, and others who tend to support Democrats, to vote.

A ruling issued by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals on July 29 invalidated most of a 2013 law. The court’s scathing opinion said that “because of race, the legislature enacted one of the largest restrictions of the franchise in modern North Carolina history.” The law, passed by a Republican-dominated legislature, imposed strict voter-ID requirements, cut back early-voting hours and eliminated same-day registration, out-of-precinct voting and preregistration for those under 18.

The court restored the week of early voting that the law had slashed, but it left it to local election boards to set the number of polling places and voting hours. This permitted those boards, all of which are led by Republicans, to cut voting hours below what they were for the 2012 election.

Dallas Woodhouse, the head of the state’s Republican Party, saw an opportunity and ran with it, writing in an August email to election officials that “Republicans can and should make party line changes to early voting.”
==
Exhibit C: Same State, same Republicans

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2016/07/voter-id-law-overturned

Federal court finds 'discriminatory intent,' rejects N.C. voter ID law
The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned North Carolina’s voter-identification law Friday, acknowledging the state’s history of racial and voting discrimination.
Reversing a district court ruling in April, the 83-page opinion struck down the state’s use of a photo ID requirement and other provisions in its 2013 voter law — which included changes to early voting, pre-registration and same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. The 4th Circuit includes Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina and South Carolina.

“...Intentionally targeting a particular race's access to the franchise because its members vote for a particular party, in a particular manner, constitutes discriminatory purpose,” Judge Dana Gribbon Motz said, writing for the court.

The 4th Circuit decided that the N.C. General Assembly used the 2013 voter ID law to “entrench itself," and that it engaged in intentional racial discrimination to do so.



Dave Dubya said...

So just who really wants blacks out of the voting booth and on a plantation?

Conservative whites.

Same as it ever was.

It is amazing how much pretzel logic and elastic rationalization are needed to repeat the insulting lie and meme of David Duke.

The same Republican assholes suppressing minority voters are the ones spewing the racist "plantation" meme.

How can you sleep? What kind of conscience, or lack thereof, does this represent?

"Values"?




Dave Dubya said...

TP,
Go ahead and call me a racist yet again

This from my accuser of multiple unsubstantiated accusations, missing my point again.

Either show me where I called you a racist, or please shut up with the whiny victim card and accusation crap.

Here's the question.

If you willingly use the hateful insulting words of David Duke, what does that make you?

"Moral" doesn't come to mind. Neither does Christian.



Majormajor said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymrBzgssSY8

It's not Trump, it's me.

Majormajor said...

More myths of the left

"So just who really wants blacks out of the voting booth and on a plantation?

Conservative whites.

Same as it ever was."

I guess DD is over looking the thousands of whites who died to end the plantation system
in his rush deny the DNC Plantation system of today.



T. Paine said...

"So just who really wants blacks out of the voting booth and on a plantation? Conservative whites. Same as it ever was."

I am a conservative white man. I absolutely do NOT want blacks or any other American out of the voting booth and on the government "plantation". I would much prefer that we become a united society where all people of every color and creed are able to work and be self sufficient. I suppose that is racist too though, huh Dave?

"It is amazing how much pretzel logic and elastic rationalization are needed to repeat the insulting lie and meme of David Duke. The same Republican assholes suppressing minority voters are the ones spewing the racist 'plantation' meme. How can you sleep? What kind of conscience, or lack thereof, does this represent? 'Values'?"

I specifically told you where I first heard of the plantation analogy well over a decade ago. It came from Star Parker... a black now-conservative lady who saw the trap that government dependency was and decided to change her life through very hard work and education. And yet you still assign that to David Duke because it fits your agenda. I also told you that I am absolutely against any voter suppression for any AMERICAN citizen and that those guilty of doing so should be severely punished by the law. Because I care about people and justice, regardless of color, I can sleep quite well, thank you. Do some Republicans suppress voting for people of color? Sure. I disavow them and think they should be held legally and morally accountable, AS I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU! I also think that those that illegally vote or who rig the system should also be punished as it dilutes legitimate votes in our republic.

"Either show me where I called you a racist, or please shut up with the whiny victim card and accusation crap. Here's the question. If you willingly use the hateful insulting words of David Duke, what does that make you? 'Moral' doesn't come to mind. Neither does Christian."

I am not a victim, Dave. You can call me anything you like. I know the truth and so do the people that know me. Your opinion does not affect me or victimize me because it is wrong and based on falsehoods, buddy. You have not specifically said, "TP is a racist", but read all of the guilt-by-association crap you have spewed and the effect is exactly the same. So be it. I don't care. I have been called a "racist" for the better part of a decade now by every bed-wetting liberal when I have disagreed with President Obama because of his POLICIES. They, and evidently you, just assume my views are simply based on the color of our president's skin pigmentation. I don't tow the PC line and have used an analogy presented by a brilliant lady of color years ago, so that gives you justification to resort to playing the race card. Yep, I have been here before, and will be in the future. You will continue to divide people with your fear and hate (seems like your amygdala theory is wrong, unless you have changed to a closet conservative, Dave :) ) I will try to live up to my Christian duty to love my neighbor as myself. And that includes even you, Dave. I don't hate you because you wrongly accuse me of racism. You abhor racism. So do I. The problem lies in your inability to see the truth of that very simple fact. Because you want justice, I cannot despise you for that, even if you are misguided, my friend.

"Just another Black woman who doesn’t know she’s a slave? David Duke, Chuck and TP all seem to agree this is so. More con-servatve 'not racist values'. "

Please tell me, Mr. Dubya, how could any half-way intelligent person not take that previous set of comments you made and assume anything other than the FACT that he was being called a racist by you, sir. :)

Majormajor said...

Or is DD just a tool of the DNC, worshiping at the feet of Big Government, who gives the citizens of its plantation just enough to keep them voting democrat over and over again with the (failed) promise of

a. getting even with the "oppressor"
b. giving you more of other people's stuff
c. granting you forgiveness for not being self reliant, since Big Brother will take care of you
d. and labeling any black who has left the democrat plantation as an Uncle Tom, race trader, or plain crazy.

Did HRC get the same black voter turn out as Obama did?
No.
Even after Obama begged blacks to vote for HRC if for no other reason that his legacy was at stake.

Were black voters suppressed? Not likely as HRC got more of the popular vote. And there is the strange case of more ballots cast in the ballot box than register voters in Detroit. Is that black voter suppression? And the stupid 7 million dollar recount that produced more votes for Trump, is that black voter suppression?

The day the black voter realizes that they are no longer the favored DNC "oppressed minority", and the same promises they were given are now being made to this new favored minority, will be the day they flee the democrat plantation.



Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: JG, I assume by your smiley face that you were just teasing me about my former doctor being a racist.

Of course. But I must point out that your inference (and your buddy's) was that if a doctor leaves his practice or retires, it has to be due to the Affordable Care Act. I found that improbable.


Dave Dubya to T. Paine: "It's not ok. Blacks have more leeway in their language about blacks than whites do. You don’t get it."

Aside from television, maybe T. Paine has never seen a black man. He lives in Utah. ;-) [Yes, Mr. Paine, this was also a joke.]

Majormajor said...

JH,
You may find it improbable, but that is what my parent's Dr. told them was the reason for leaving his practice (he didn't retire and he is a member of a minority). You see JG, just because it doesn't fit your liberal narrative doesn't mean it isn't true.

;(

Dave Dubya said...

The day the black voter realizes that they are no longer the favored DNC "oppressed minority", and the same promises they were given are now being made to this new favored minority, will be the day they flee the democrat plantation.

Well said.

David Duke would agree wholeheartedly with this "not racist" statement.

Dave Dubya said...

When will poor whites flee the "Republican Klan" is now the question.

Dave Dubya said...

TP,

I would much prefer that we become a united society where all people of every color and creed are able to work and be self sufficient.

I've said liberals want this many times and have been ignored. All I got is "not racist" plantation crap thrown in my face.

From now on I should just say Klan-servative and their Republi-klans are under their big white sheets together. See North Carolina for proof.

Fair enough?

Every advance in voting rights and equality has been opposed by white klanservatives.



T. Paine said...

JG, I was friends with my doctor. We would discuss sports and politics all of the time when I went into his office. He told me that he was leaving medicine because of the ACA. It was the final straw as he already had so much overhead and administrative costs just dealing with medicare and medicaid patients who comprised a significant part of his practice.

Next, once upon a time you were close to being correct, JG. When I first moved to Utah the only black people I ever saw here in this state all played for the Utah Jazz. :) That said, I have lived all over the country and the world and have met and become fast friends with many diverse people... even those of color! :) Indeed, I even have non-white people in my own family! (And what would be even more shocking to Dave is that most of them agree with me politically on this issue!)

Continuing, Dave, I acknowledge that you have said that liberals also want all people to become self-sufficient. While that may very well be true for the rank and file members, and even yourself, the actions of your liberal politicians betray these words. If there is not dependence upon government, then liberal politicians lose a powerful voting block. This was why when Bill Clinton signed welfare reform (on the third time congress presented it to him) the left had coniption fits about it. They raged on in fear that people would be dying in the streets because of this cruel and inhumane bill he signed. Instead, the welfare roles shrank and far more people went to work.

Carry on with the race card as you will though. :)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "...Klan-servative and their Republi-klans are under their big white sheets together."

Priceless!...

Now we'll have blue states, red states, and white sheets... ;-) [No, Mr. Paine, I am not making a joke this time. Unfortunately, it's more akin to a premonition.]

Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "It was the final straw as he already had so much overhead and administrative costs just dealing with medicare and medicaid patients..."

Your statement that he was "leaving medicine" may attest to my earlier statement about primary medicare practitioners feeling squeezed over the last couple of decades by Big Insurance on one end, and Big Pharma on the other. Yes, it seems the "final straw", when making any major decision in life, tends to hold the most weight.


"...once upon a time you were close to being correct, JG. When I first moved to Utah the only black people I ever saw here in this state all played for the Utah Jazz. :)"

Yes, I know. I used to travel to SLC a couple of times a year on business. The place was "as pure as the driven snow." ;-) It seemed surreal.

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
We have a Republiklan Party as a "counter meme" to the "democrat plantation" meme. It's as if they have asked for it. Reason and appeals to human decency fail, so that's how we play the game now.

Note how the racist North Carolina Republiklan actions are completely ignored as they repeat their plantation crap.

TP propagates the meme with this mythical far Right ideology:

If there is not dependence upon government, then liberal politicians lose a powerful voting block.

They believe this because they want it to be true. The likely truth of the matter is the small minority of welfare recipients who stay on welfare don't even vote.

But reality has no place in the ideology of the "Big White Tent". Instead they lecture us that voting for democrats is "just like" slavery.






Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "majormajor" Morre: "[My parent's doctor] didn't retire and he is a member of a minority"

Your parents, and Mr. Paine, had primary medical providers who were minorities? Now that's improbable! :-)

Chuck, are your parents liberals? ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "majormajor" Morre: "You see JG, just because it doesn't fit your liberal narrative doesn't mean it isn't true."

Unless, of course, you're saying it. You've been caught in dozens of lies and misrepresentations over the years. There's no reason for me to believe you're telling the truth this time.

Majormajor said...

And you JG have been caught in dozens of lies and misrepresentations in the last 12 months.

So there :(

Do you hold my parents having a minority doctor is improbable because you believe minorities aren't capable of being doctors? Coming from one who believes 9-11 was an inside job, I could see you believing that.

As to your question of my parents, why would you ask that? What business is it of yours?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "majormajor" Morre: "Do you hold my parents having a minority doctor is improbable because you believe minorities aren't capable of being doctors?"

and...

"As to your question of my parents, why would you ask that? What business is it of yours?"

Of course not, Chuck. The improbability is the likelihood that two conservatives, trolling on the same liberal-slanted blog, would admit to seeing a primary-care physician of a minority race. Hence, the question about whether your parents are liberals. If your parents aren't liberals, the probability of this happening, again, would be astronomical!

I'm running out to buy a Powerball ticket! ;-)


"Coming from one who believes 9-11 was an inside job..."

It wasn't??? All available evidence indicates it had to be, not to mention credible testimony from firefighters on the scene, hearing/feeling explosions in the basements of the Towers that dreadful morning, and seeing the destruction that occurred - before the Towers fell to the ground. Testimony that was intentionally omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report, by the way.

I guess being a first-responder, in the midst of destruction and mayhem, doesn't warrant recorded and published testimony as it would in a criminal trial? Is that the way you see it, Chuck?

By the way, you might want to dig out your old college physics textbooks and go over Newton's laws of motion. You seemingly missed attending class when these very basic concepts were discussed. LOL

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Tell me, Chuck, what made you want to become a RepubliKlan? It had to be something inside of you...a feeling, maybe? Was it because, in your early years, you admired Richard Nixon?...or Barry Goldwater? What, Chuck, was the tipping point for you?

Did you enjoy the racist and hateful rhetoric that spewed out of Dear Leader's mouth during the campaign? What was it, exactly, that sent tingles up your leg? Was it specifically when he ranted on with his shared Islamophobia?...or was it when he talked about "grabbing pussy"?...or maybe his white nationalist bravado? Which was it, Chuck? What turned you on about him?

Tell me Chuck! Tell me!...

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Also, Chuck, in case you missed it. I asked you to tell me exactly where the "dangerous left" resides in your mind? Where, Chuck, where?

Gee, Chuck, I'm starting to see this as a one-way relationship. I always answer your questions, but you hardly ever answer mine. :-( Why is that, Chuck? I thought we were friends.

T. Paine said...

I know you didn't ask me, so please pardon my butting in, JG.

The dangerous left comes in the form of the following groups when they foment and incite and partake in violence for their causes:

Occupy Wall Street
SEIU
Black Lives Matter
Animal Liberation Front
Earth Liberation Front
Weather Underground
Black Panthers
Students for a Democratic Society
May 19th Communist Organization
United Freedom Front

These are just a few of the dangerous and sometimes violent leftist groups that immediately come to mind, sir. (And that is just in the U.S.A.)

Cheers!

Majormajor said...

JG,

"Why is that, Chuck?"


Why JG, because I follow your Dear Friend DD's position on question's.

Is that a alarm bell in the background JG, maybe you should respond to it.




Anna Van Z said...

T.Paine, you need to wake the hell up and start thinking for yourself. You've clearly been brainwashed.

Anna Van Z said...

Dave, thanks for this really important post! I'm passing this on. You said it all!

T. Paine said...

Anna, I always have thought for myself, ma'am. That is why I criticize and praise both Democrats and Republicans when they are deserving of either. Our gracious host Dave seemingly has never met a progressive position he did not like and he talks the party line with their talking points accordingly. If you think otherwise, then perhaps it is not me that needs to "start thinking for myself". :) Cheers to you anyway!

Majormajor said...

Well said TP.

Majormajor said...

If Putin wanted to influence American politics, all he had to do was donate to the Clinton Foundation.

LOL

Jefferson's Guardian said...

T. Paine: "I know you didn't ask me, so please pardon my butting in..."

Mr. Paine, this is an open forum for anybody that Dave Dubya deems viable and follows his blog guidelines and protocol. If I desired confidentiality I wouldn't comment here.


"The dangerous left comes in the form of the following groups when they foment and incite and partake in violence..."

"Dangerous" to who, Mr. Paine? The establishment?...the militarized police who gun-down and murder unarmed black men when they're sitting in their cars? The military-industrial-complex, which teamed up with the Bush Administration to kill over a million civilian Iraqis in an unprovoked and unilateral invasion of a sovereign nation? Is Wall Street dangerous, Mr. Paine, for bringing the whole economy to its knees through the collateralized debt obligations created with subprime mortgage instruments, and through which we're still suffering the after-effects?

Here's the difference, Mr. Paine, between the types of violence that the fake-news corporate mainstream-media focuses on and people like you eat up. When it's seemingly done by "leftist" groups, it's more often than not incited by militarized police or their agents, and it's in response to a transgression toward someone who has been killed for no legitimate reason, or some group that has been kicked to the curb and made to pay for the sins and criminal activity of the corporate state and its agents. When the violence originates with rightist or alt-right members, it starts purely based out of hate and racism and bigotry. Pure and simple.

Would you not agree that the group that initiated and wrote the Declaration of Independence, in the summer of 1776, would also be considered a "dangerous" leftist group? King George sure thought so.


"These are just a few of the dangerous and sometimes violent leftist groups that immediately come to mind..."

Dangerous and "sometimes violent"? So when they're not violent - and I've already cited the reasons when they are - your implication is they're still dangerous? Again, I ask, dangerous to who?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, you still haven't answered my questions (date/time stamped January 4, 2017 at 3:22 pm and 4:02 pm). Cat got your tongue? ;-)

Just trying to get to know you better; what causes you to adore and admire Dear Leader and his bigoted and racist message. C'mon Chuck, let it all hang out! We're all friends here. Everything's confidential. "What's written on Dave's blog stays on Dave's blog." ;-)

Dave Dubya said...


Anna, your brainwashing point is blunt, but cuts to the core truth. The far Right has been indoctrinating its cult for decades.

In response to TP.

Yes I support progressive positions. Progressive means promoting civil rights, voting rights, equality of opportunity, safety nets, public education, public health, Constitutional regulation of commerce and providing for the general welfare, and equal application of fair laws and justice. Progressive means opposing wars based on lies, torture, and a de-regulated economy run by those who profit at the expense of the public.

TP's brainwashing has him repeating offensive and insulting crap equating slavery with voting for democrats.

TP's brainwashing has him believing liberals are to blame for everything. He said I'm the one who "propagates fear".

TP's brainwashing has him believing the corporate media is a vast liberal conspiracy against him. This funnels him to the propaganda of the Republican Party, FOX and alt-Right media for his "truth".

TP's brainwashing has him believing there’s a global conspiracy of evil climate scientists.

TP's brainwashing has him believing corporate PR and the Republican Party line that denies the effect of greenhouse gasses on our climate.

TP's brainwashing sees me as one who "talks the party line". He didn't say which party, since none share my values.

TP's brainwashing has him believing in his far Right plantation meme, which he revises to include whites to throw cover over the racially loaded intention of the meme.

However, in context, if a person OF ANY COLOR, who is dependent upon the government for his or her livelihood simply continues to vote for Democrats to ensure that their "entitlements" will not be reduced or eliminated, then in essence they are choosing to be dependent upon that government. They will rise no higher in life and will depend on the taxpayers' largesse in order to pay for their shelter and sustenance. Is that indeed not a form of financial slavery, Dave?

The answer to the question is a resounding NO.

What the hell is “financial slavery” anyway? Slavery is working for others for no pay and the denial of freedom. Slavery held unwilling blacks as property. Period, To equate slavery with voting for democrats is false and demeaning, and therefore evil.

The minimum wages the Right opposes create the hardships closer to actual slavery.

As I noted to TP:

I have no shame in my positions,. They are founded on truth and basic human decency. And yes, even true Christian morals. You and I differ in that I agree with the Pope that unchecked, de-regulated capitalism has no conscience, is dominated by greed, and is harmful to human beings. I opposed Bush’s war based on lies, I oppose the torture that Bush and Trump have advocated. I oppose Trump’s proposed war crime of stealing Iraqi oil. I oppose his stupidity on a renewed nuclear arms race...and you pompously say I’m the one who “propagates fear”? Yup. It’s all the liberals fault again.

I oppose Obama’s war crimes of unconstitutional extra-judicial killing of Americans.


I'll compare these values against spewing the insulting and false plantation meme with David Duke any day.

Majormajor said...

DD,

What you said about blacks voting for the democrats sounds great until you factor in that % of Blacks the vote for the democrat in any race. 90% or more. WHY?
Then factor in the reasons given by the voter's themselves for their loyalty to democrats. One example ("Obama loot from his stash") Finally, the campaign promises made to blacks by the democrats directly promise more from the govt or to least stopping the evil republicans from reducing the amount of increase in budget spending for social engineering and entitlements not paid for by the recipients, IE SS.

You yourself have said the republicans want the end or reduce the safety net put in pace by democrats. Meaning I'm sure, that if you want to continue to have the govt safety net, you best vote in your self interest, IE democrat. Which you have also stated.

After taking in all of these facts, it's odd that you would deny the reality that blacks vote for democrats because of their programs designed to benefit blacks (example: affirmative action) and their promises for more if it's OK to vote in your best interest. If nothing else one would think that if blacks aren't happy with what the democrats promise and offer and provide, they would leave the ranks of democrat voter for something else. Blacks should be insulted by the pandering of the democrats over the past 50 years as being demeaning to them instead of voting as a block for democrats.

Is this any less the truth that the condition of America's large cities has not improved for the blacks still living there after in some cases over 60 years of
democrat control? Yet in large city after large city where the population is majority black, which party do the blacks vote for? In your home state I would ask you to look at Detroit. Maybe instead of being insulted and calling me a racist, you can explain
why this is?

Majormajor said...

JG,

I've been thinking a lot about your attempts to get to "know me better". Based on your words towards me and your dismissal and disrespect of my Christian faith, I believe you know enough about me already. I have known for sometime that you hold Christians to a standard that is of your making, not the faiths. This has caused me to really ponder and to be honest, pray about how to get you to understand what it means to me to be Christian. It's seems that any Christian standard I hold is worthy of mocking by you and DD. Even the concept of praying is laughable for you.

I know that I can not get you to learn about what it means to have faith in God through His Son Jesus. I do not have the words or for that matter the ability to convince you of anything. Honestly, you have offended my faith so many times I admit I have responded in anger and hate, not very Christ like on my part, but the truth.

There seemed to be no way for me to deal with your disbelief. (I hope that makes you smile.) I realize now that you chose to not believe in God because God has not chosen you to believe. Your disbelief is not your victory over Christianity, but is instead God allowing you to live in your disbelief and therefore without Him. Really there is nothing more that I can say or do.

I can continue to argue and debate with you over politics, (as though I have as much of a chance of changing your mind as I do in changing your mind about Christianity) but when you throw down on Christianity, you will not get a response from me.

This is why I respectfully decline to allow you to get to know me better.

Dave Dubya said...


Blacks the vote for the democrat in any race. 90% or more. WHY? look at Detroit. Maybe instead of being insulted and calling me a racist, you can explain why this is? Blacks should be insulted by the pandering of the democrats over the past 50 years

Obviously you didn’t read my examples about how the Republican Party in North Carolina actively targeted blacks for limiting voter registration, cutting early voting, and access to polls. Could that have anything to do with blacks not voting for republicans?

Look at Detroit. It was a war based manufacturing center when the population expanded. The auto industry held for a few more years until that too was decimated by economic factors way beyond the mayors control. And speaking of control, Republicans stripped that away from Flint government and let their corporate managers force residents to drink lead to save a few bucks. Another good reason for blacks to vote Republican?

Blacks, and decent humans everywhere, are insulted by these Republican travesties.

America's large cities has not improved for the blacks still living there after in some cases over 60 years of democrat control?

As I said, the mayors are not to blame for global and national effects on manufacturing. No Black wants to go back to the ‘50s sport. Buh-lieve me. Also this doesn’t apply to all democratic managed cities. Look at Republican controlled Flint for the disaster they imposed.

This “social engineering” sounds like one of your code phrases.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "majormajor" Morre: "Based on your words towards me and your dismissal and disrespect of my Christian faith..."

Chuck, your arrogance and self-importance, as if Christianity is the only religion worthy of a Universal Life Force's blessings and understanding, is only exceeded by your pitiful ignorance. Maybe it's even stupidity, I don't know.


"I believe you know enough about me already."

I believe you're a hypocrite. How's that?


"This has caused me to really ponder and to be honest, pray about how to get you to understand what it means to me to be Christian."

Oh really?! Your lack of honesty is exactly why I dislike you. One reason, anyway. And truly, I don't care what it means for you to be a Christian - beyond that it's a personal belief, for you only, and it has nothing to do with me.

"I reject any religious doctrine that does not appeal to reason and is in conflict with morality." — Mahatma Gandhi


"It's seems that any Christian standard I hold is worthy of mocking by you..."

If your standards of conduct are Christian, with a few days of training you'll be ready to fight for ISIL. Really, Chuck, you're kidding, right?!

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." — Mahatma Gandhi


"I know that I can not get you to learn about what it means to have faith in God through His Son Jesus."

You're right, Chuck, you can't. If being like you is what it means to be a faithful Christian, you might want to reconsider your approach. ;-)

Anyway, please stop the proselytizing. It's not your gig. I hope you're not judged on a quota system - and you didn't quit your day job.


"I do not have the words or for that matter the ability to convince you of anything."

Well, you can't tell me I haven't repeatedly said that you have comprehension challenges. You do seem to be a slow learner.


"There seemed to be no way for me to deal with your disbelief."

Disbelief? No, Chuck, you're wrong again - only a disbelief in your man-made Christ and man-made religion. I'm not an atheist. (You're showing that religious vanity again.)

See, that's the difference between us. You have an ethnocentric attitude about everything - religion included. I'm, as I've already said, accepting of whatever it is that lets people live and be happy. The caveat or proviso being, as I also mentioned, as long as it doesn't intrude upon my own rights. That's something you haven't grasped yet.


"Really there is nothing more that I can say or do."

So please, don't! You made the same overture earlier and I asked whether it was a threat or a promise. Please, promise me this time.


"I can continue to argue and debate with you over politics..."

Nooooooo! Please, noooooooooooooo!

(Chuck, your Christian-self must surely be at odds with your RepubliKlan-self, right? How would your Christ feel about the racist, Islamophobic, xenophobic, "pussy grabbing" Trump? There most certainly must be a ton of conflict going on inside. There has to be!

Majormajor said...

"Republican Party in North Carolina actively targeted blacks for limiting voter registration" proof please.

What has that have to do with Detroit being a sewage pool to live in and has had one party running it for 60 year, voted in by the largest minority in MI? Hint, it's not the GOP that's running Detroit. Or Flint for that matter. And when WWII ended, what did the democrats do in Detroit when they saw the war jobs leaving?

If the mayors have no control, they can't be blamed,(unless the mayor is a republican I bet)is that what your saying DD?

Dave I really feel your argument is race based, based on the fact that you are a black democrat and can't admit to the failure of party you have always voted for improving your life. I can see how that could skew your understanding.


JG,

All the best, try to not allow your hate for me overwhelm you. I forgive you.

Dave Dubya said...


Chuck, you need to say insulting things like "plantation" and "Detroit being a sewage pool to live in" in order to distract from Republicans forcing Flint citizens to drink lead.

Your con-servative Christian compassion is showing again.

"Republican Party in North Carolina actively targeted blacks for limiting voter registration" proof please.

No. You can't have it. I refuse to show you evidence and court judgment that make the case clear.

Nope. Not gonna give you the satisfaction.

Why?

Because you didn't read it when I posted it above. You will ignore and distract from the treacherous racist North Carolina Republicans.

The projection is here: Dave I really feel your argument is race based

Says the "Democrat plantation" spewing Republican con-servative white guy.
--
JG,

How can you NOT believe Trump is our pussy grabbing Orange Savior, sent by Jesus to make America great again?



Majormajor said...

DD,,
Your BLM rage is showing.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "majormajor" Morre: "All the best, try to not allow your hate for me overwhelm you. I forgive you."

And please don't allow your faux Christian piousness to juxtapose with your clear hate of minorities, other faiths, and people with gender differences. ;-)


Dave Dubya: "How can you NOT believe Trump is our pussy grabbing Orange Savior, sent by Jesus to make America great again?"

His refusal to answer my questions about this very clear dichotomy leads me to believe your statement is the only one he can rationalize. A pity.

Jesus in drag? (or maybe Chuck saw Barb's article on numerology?) :-)

Dave Dubya said...

Chuck,
Why would I be enraged with the Bureau of Land Management? Have they done something terrible?

T. Paine said...

Ahhh... the quasi-good-old-days when BLM actually was an acronym for the Bureau of Land Management.

Majormajor said...

"Our teachers kindly taught us that individual liberties resulted in crime, violence, and depravity. The Communist Party was the only thing that kept us alive, separating us from chaos and certain death. Individual people couldn't be trusted to make the right choices, which was why we needed a caring government. It was a matter of common knowledge that should the government stop regulating society, the world would almost immediately end in a terrible bloodbath."

Oleg Atbashian
First published in FrontPage Mag 12/30/2016

Let's see which liberal is first to disavow this.

"Individual people couldn't be trusted to make the right choices, which was why we needed a caring government."
The corner stone of liberalism.


Dave I really feel your argument is race based, based on the fact that you are a black democrat and can't admit to the failure of party you have always voted for improving your life. I can see how that could skew your understanding.




Majormajor said...

DD,

Is Rosey Grier Really A Black Man? Only you, the expert on what is really black and what isn't can enlighten us.

Former NFL player and Trump supporter running for Calif. governor.A former NFL player and supporter of President-elect Trump announced on Thursday plans to run for the Republican nomination in California's gubernatorial race when Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown leaves office at the end of 2018.

Rosey Grier, who played for the Los Angeles Rams, is 84 years old, but said he will be running in next year's election because he wants to serve Golden State residents.




Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, once again, you're going off the deep end again. [head shaking] Where's the pious evangelical we'd come to love and know? ;-)

Majormajor said...

Obama's hidden legacy.

The expansion that began in June 2009 has been the weakest since World War II, with real gross domestic product growth averaging 2.1%. At 7 1/2 years and counting, it is also among the longest on record. But it hasn’t packed much of a punch. Cumulative growth of 16.5% since the trough is well shy of the 38.4% increase during the 1982-1990 expansion and 42.6% from 1991-2001, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Obama’s continued popularity hasn’t had much of a trickle-down effect. In the eight years since he was first elected, Democrats have lost more than 1,000 seats at the state and national level. Republicans now control 4,170 state legislative seats compared with 3,129 for the Democrats, an all-time low.

Republicans now hold 33 governorships and will have full control — governorship and both houses of the state legislature — in 25 states compared with five for the Democrats.

Democrats lost 12 governorships, 13 Senate seats and 69 seats in the House of Representatives during Obama’s two terms, highlighting “a devastation up and down the party across the nation,” according to The Hill.

A legacy is generally thought to be a gift handed down from one generation to the next. For the Democratic Party, Obama’s legacy is anything but.

Eight years of leading from behind has left America’s standing in the world diminished, its moral authority compromised and its foreign policy in tatters.

The wars Obama inherited are still going on. The Taliban has made a comeback in Afghanistan. Syria is in shambles. And Secretary of State John Kerry has been so ineffective that no one even bothered to invite him to the Syrian cease-fire negotiations among Russia, Turkey and Iran.

If that isn’t wreckage enough, Obama broke with 36 years of U.S. policy by abandoning its ally Israel and allowing the passage of U.N. Security Council Resolution 2234, declaring Israeli settlements, including the Western Wall and Temple Mount in East Jerusalem, illegal. It was a vindictive act that discourages bilateral negotiations and puts a two-state solution increasingly out of reach. Friends don’t knife friends in the back.

To bad if this sounds racist, but can we blame the black guy now?

Praying for you JG

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "majormajor" Morre: Everything you copied-and-pasted, less the last two sentences of your comment dated/time-stamped January 6, 2017 at 3:41 pm, is plagiarized.

Chuck, you're not only a hater of minorities, people of other faiths, and people with gender differences, but you're also a plagiarizer.

Here, let me help you:

pla·gia·rize (plā′jə-rīz′)
v. pla·gia·rized, pla·gia·riz·ing, pla·gia·riz·es
v.tr.

1. To reproduce or otherwise use (the words, ideas, or other work of another) as one's own or without attribution.
2. To plagiarize the words, ideas, or work of (another person).

from The Free Dictionary by Farlex

Chuck, plagiarizing is akin to stealing. Stealing is a sin. You sinned. Did you know that every time you plagiarize, another angel gets their wings clipped?

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.

Didn't need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.

Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.


Thank you Obama for 8 years of fine work destroying the DemocRAT Party!

Don't let the door hit your skinny arse on the way out!

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

"I'm more "Lennon-istic" in my personal philosophy and am inclined to think that no religion is the key to finding peace for humankind. Of course this notion may be because I rarely see Christians practicing the virtues their savior spoke about."

Spoken like a true Marxist. amirite?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "ArchieBunkerNYC" Morre: Your plagiarism dated/time-stamped January 6, 2017 at 7:40 pm.

Chuck, your alter-ego can't escape the eyes of Jesus. He sees everything you do.

Oops! Another angel's wings are clipped.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

JG,

You, Dave, and Che are three peas in a pod.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, have you ever noticed that when Chuck ("Majormajor") has to step away from his pious evangelical Christian self, he becomes one of two different "other" personalities -- ArchieBunkerNYC, the mean-spirited ignoramus when he seeks shielding from the confines of Chuck's promises to his lord of salvation -- thus thinking it's not "him", Chuck, being sinful? Or, he plays Michael Stivic, who he believes is subservient to the Archie and thus is humiliating to others, but who are actually more Christ-like than Archie ("Chuck")?

As I said previously, fascinating! The makings of a real psychopath.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

JG,

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all us Marxists living for today! amirite?

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Majormajor,

Don't let JG get under your skin.

He has a thick skull which prevents him from understanding that there is more than 1 non Marxist posting on this blog.

Jesus may forgive him for being an atheistic Marxist.

He probably had red diapers just like Dave as an infant.-)

Dave Dubya said...

Fascist's love to play the red card.

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
We can't all be "good Christians" like Chuck and his fellow red card player:


"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." - Adolph Hitler "My New World Order" - Proclamation to the German Nation, Berlin, February 1, 1933


Dave Dubya said...

More from Germany's red card playing "First Republican":

“The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism."

"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."

Chuck and fellow robed con-servatives' root ideology was there for all to see.

say didn't the Marxists kick the German Republikans' asses?

Now Putin is a fellow Republican along with Trump. That should work out well.

And since this is my blog I'll include this very relevant previous post:

For students of history and observers of US politics I offer this short history/current events quiz:

Republicans or Nazis...?

...Crushed unions and opposed minimum wages for workers.
...Demonized and scapegoated minorities.
...Invaded countries without provocation.
...Opened prison camps where inmates were incarcerated for indefinite time, had no legal counsel, no charges and no conviction.
...Suppressed voter rights.
...Sent mobs to obstruct vote counts.
...Openly scorned democracy.
...Embraced fanatic nationalism and war as the first resort.
...Pushed propaganda portraying their kind as a “master race”, or other claim of “Exceptionalism”.
...Denounced those who opposed their war of aggression as "siding with the enemy".
...Openly stated a desire for military dominance of the world.
...Expanded a security state and imposed warrantless surveillance on their own citizens.
...Allowed torture by government agencies.
...Promoted “Family values” while claiming God was on their side as they started wars and embraced torture.
...Employed the “Big Lie” tactic in propaganda efforts.
...Elevated party loyalty over the general welfare of their country and citizens.
...Demanded Loyalty Oaths.

Answers:

BOTH the Republican Party and Nazi Party are known for these acts of destroying democracy and their crimes against truth and humanity.

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
Don't you get a kick out of the irony that a fascist like Chuck takes the names of characters created by "Marxist" liberal Jews ?

Majormajor said...

JG, DD

"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone"

How about that Obama "legacy"? How about deflecting from this?

The expansion that began in June 2009 has been the weakest since World War II, with real gross domestic product growth averaging 2.1%. At 7 1/2 years and counting, it is also among the longest on record. But it hasn’t packed much of a punch. Cumulative growth of 16.5% since the trough is well shy of the 38.4% increase during the 1982-1990 expansion and 42.6% from 1991-2001, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Obama’s continued popularity hasn’t had much of a trickle-down effect. In the eight years since he was first elected, Democrats have lost more than 1,000 seats at the state and national level. Republicans now control 4,170 state legislative seats compared with 3,129 for the Democrats, an all-time low.

Republicans now hold 33 governorships and will have full control — governorship and both houses of the state legislature — in 25 states compared with five for the Democrats.

Democrats lost 12 governorships, 13 Senate seats and 69 seats in the House of Representatives during Obama’s two terms, highlighting “a devastation up and down the party across the nation,” according to The Hill.

A legacy is generally thought to be a gift handed down from one generation to the next. For the Democratic Party, Obama’s legacy is anything but.

Eight years of leading from behind has left America’s standing in the world diminished, its moral authority compromised and its foreign policy in tatters.

The wars Obama inherited are still going on. The Taliban has made a comeback in Afghanistan. Syria is in shambles. And Secretary of State John Kerry has been so ineffective that no one even bothered to invite him to the Syrian cease-fire negotiations among Russia, Turkey and Iran.

If that isn’t wreckage enough, Obama broke with 36 years of U.S. policy by abandoning its ally Israel and allowing the passage of U.N. Security Council Resolution 2234, declaring Israeli settlements, including the Western Wall and Temple Mount in East Jerusalem, illegal. It was a vindictive act that discourages bilateral negotiations and puts a two-state solution increasingly out of reach. Friends don’t knife friends in the back.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Dave Dubya said...

Chuck desperately deflects from You-Know-Who's legacy before "The expansion that began in June 2009"?

Stock Market Closing Prices - 1/20/09

Dow Jones Industrial Average ( DJIA ) Close - 7,949.09 Down 332.13 (Bush's "Legacy")
Nasdaq Stock Market Close - 1440.86 Down 88.47
S&P 500 Close - 805.23 Down 44.89

Stock Market Closing Prices - December 30, 2016

Dow Jones Industrial Average ( DJIA ) Close - 19,762.60 (Obama's "Legacy")
Nasdaq Stock Market Close - 5383.12 Down 48.97
S&P 500 Close - 2238.83 Down 10.43

As of the last trading day of 2016, the Dow Jones ended the year with a 13% gain.

The wars Obama inherited...

Inherited? From "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named", amirite?

http://fortune.com/2016/09/13/us-israel-military-aid/

The United States and Israel have reached final agreement on a record new package of at least $38 billion in U.S. military aid... The deal will represent the biggest pledge of U.S. military assistance ever made to any country...

Some "abandoning its ally" and "knife in the back", amirite?

How stupid, how false, how ignorant, and how "blaming the black guy" can a "not-racist" Republican get?

Ignorant, false and stupid enough to plagiarize, copy and paste, to evade the truth of Bush's debacle and deflect from Putin's Puppet.

I will delete further plagiarism from our weak minded, low-information, con-servative fellow who is unable to think and put words together for himself.


Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "I will delete further plagiarism from our weak minded, low-information, con-servative fellow who is unable to think and put words together for himself."

Thank you, Dave. Like most RepubliKlans, he's singularly dimensional and unable to adhere to the discipline and principles he demands of others.

Just the Facts! said...

Amazing, delete when the facts don't fit your template, while allowing violations of same when facts fit your template.

None of what you said DD changes one wit of what I said about Obama's legacy, just more deflection on your part.

Current Dow average could be looked at two ways,
1. reaction by investors to Trumps election
2. reaction by investors knowing that Obama Presidency will end in two weeks.

The rest of your reply is your same ole same ole excuse of blame the White Guys for the failure of the Black Guy. No surprise there, except for the desperation of your tone and calling anyone who isn't as liberal as you a Nazi or Fascist or racist or all three.

What are you going to do if in the next 4 years things improve more than the dismal 2.1 average of the past 8 years? Credit the Black Guy? Of course, because in your Bizzaro World the only solution is more liberalism, higher taxes, more govt programs, which is what the past 8 years have produced.

It is clear to me that just like Oleg Atbashian said he was taught to believe that "Individual people couldn't be trusted to make the right choices, which was why we needed a caring government." you have been taught the same thing by the democrats.

It must be terrifying for you think that under the new administration you will need to learn self reliance and how to compete in the real world where safe rooms aren't needed. (Unless you're a mentally disabled white kid in Chicago who was kidnapped and tortured by 4 black racist, where safe rooms are needed since guns cant be legally carried)

Obama's legacy is best summed up by his leadership of the democrat party. Now at it's lowest level of power in over 90 years. Can we blame the Black Guy fir that?

Dave Dubya said...

Just the Facts,

“Facts deleted”? ...What facts would those be?

Yes, the current Dow average could be looked at in many ways.

3. Anyway you look at it, it has for over 7 years, been better than what Bush gave him.

But that doesn’t matter.

What matters now will be the imminent Trump debacles, as he and his “Corporate Cabinet and Kremlin Generals” pillage and burn their way to infamy.

None of what you said DD changes one wit of what I said about Obama's legacy, just more deflection on your part.

Deflection, huh? You mean what both you and majormajor simultaneously said January 7, 2017 at 11:53 AM about Obama’s legacy?

Of course.

Dave Dubya said...

And JG,

Let me remind you what Archie said of you, "He has a thick skull which prevents him from understanding that there is more than 1 non Marxist posting on this blog."

Arch must have been anticipating the recent arrival of "Just The Facts", amirite? Something our thick skulls could never understand. ;-)

You remember "Just The Facts" from years ago. Ever since MajorBunkerStivic ("Major BS" for short) has been here, JTF has been pretty quiet.

Now it's like having an old friend back. All four of him.

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

From the dead guy who said he was more popular than Jesus:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all us Marxists living for today!

Dave Dubya said...

Thanks for the reminder, Arch.

With Beatles records in countless homes of Christians and pagans alike, John Lennon is far more popular than Dear Leader.

Isn't that right, Arch?

Boy the way the Beatles played
Songs that made the hit parade
"All You Need Is Love" they sang
Those were the days.

But liberals, we love to red bait
Dear Leader is here to make us great
Our Orange Savior will set us straight
All you need is hate.

Majormajor said...

Obama made America great again like he made the DNC great again

Lol

Dave Dubya said...

MajorBunkerStivic,

I'll bet Just the Facts agrees with you too. LOL

ArchieBunkerNYC said...

Ringo established residency in Monaco to escape the taxes of Socialism in England.

I guess he didn't care about England's schools, roads, and post offices anymore.

Ain't that right my marxist friends?

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.

Dave Dubya said...

So Major BS IS a Beatles fan! Proving my point they are far more popular and loved than Dear Leader ever will be.

Great song. Better songs would follow. Stuff about peace and love and other issues Major BS hates.

George recognized the spiritual traps of material wealth and didn’t whine about taxes like greedy billionaire Republicans, nor did he call corporations persons, nor was he a conservative Christian. He supported the socialized National Health Services. George would be the first to admit he was blessed.

The Telegraph reported:

George Harrison has left his £99 million estate to his wife Olivia and then to his 25-year-old son Dhani.

Harrison, who also had a £15 million mansion near Henley...His estate is believed to include the rights to several songs, including My Sweet Lord and the triple album All Things Must Pass, as well as the income from his part in producing films, including Monty Python's Life of Brian.


“The Greek shall inherit the Earth?”

Always look on the bright side of life.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave Dubya: "Now it's like having an old friend back. All four of him."

It's the sequel to The Three Faces of Eve. I call it The Four RepubliKlans from Trumpistan.

Catchy, huh? :-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck "ArchieBunkerNYC" Morre: "From the dead guy who said he was more popular than Jesus:"

Jesus who?

Oh, the dead guy who walked on water?

Majormajor said...

Archie

Isn't it insightful how J\G and DD can't deal with the failure of the past 8 years so they attack the Christianity.

Why do you think that is?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, when Chuck "talks to" Archie, I think it's very similar to when Eve White would talk to her alternate personality, "Eve Black".

Creepy.


Oh!...I just thought of an even better reference for Chuck and his multiple personalities: the Four Horse's Asses of the Apocalypse.

Very apropos, don't you think? ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Dave, we can't use "The Fab Four". As you know, it was used originally to describe the members of the Beatles, and I dare not denigrate or blaspheme anything associated with their name.

But we can still use the Sad Four for Chuck and his marauding RepubliKlans. LOL

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