Monday, August 23, 2021

Dare I Compare?

 

Dare I compare?

Because of all their similarities, I’ve tended to compare the American Radical Right to Nazis and other fascists. I knew I would get flak for that, and I suppose I’m begging for it again.

Recently I was informed that I was uninformed, of some Brownshirt/Nazi history, although the correct information was never offered. The Brownshirts were Hitler’s Nazi storm troopers during his ascent to power. They were his “security”, but more accurately they were his brawling street thugs. They were his early versions of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, itching for fights with commies or anyone they declared a commie. He purged them the year after he became chancellor, awarding the security duties and brutality to Himmler’s SS.

I was told, “Comparing anyone to Hitler is an insult to the Holocaust victims and the millions of other victims”. I can understand equating mask requirements and vaccinations to the Holocaust would be an insult, but Holocaust victims HAVE compared Trumpism and its white nationalist core to the early Nazi movement, and rightly so.

I’m pretty sure my comparisons of similarities don’t meet the same level of insult as Marjorie Taylor Greene saying, “We can look back in a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star and they were definitely treated like second-class citizens — so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany,” and days later, tweeting, “Vaccinated employees get a vaccination logo just like the Nazi’s forced Jewish people to wear a gold star.”

Readers are free to make their own call on comparing our two perspectives.

I do stand guilty of comparing the rise of the current American radical Right with the rise of Nazis and other fascists of Europe in the past. Similarities draw those comparisons, but in my defense I did not equate them. Fascists come in all sizes and colors, creeds and races. Nazis do not. They come almost exclusively in white.

I don’t want to be a blog Nazi, but I insist on an understanding of the difference between “compare” and “equate”. (Just joking. I suppose the olden days when Jews could joke about a “Soup Nazi” were too wild for today’s PC sensibilities. If so, I apologize to Holocaust victims and survivors on our joint behalf.)

I’ll summarize my case.

Remember "Godwin's Law"?

Mike Godwin updated it. Now he says this:

"I came up with Godwin’s Law. In its original form, Godwin’s Law goes like this: “As an online discussion continues, the probability of a reference or comparison to Hitler or Nazis approaches 1.”

First, let me get this Donald Trump issue out of the way: If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician."

I'm comparing the similarities of radical Right movements and their common roots of fascism. Authoritarians have always been the minority, but that doesn't stop them from taking power.


Yes, I'm comparing racist American authoritarians to Nazis because Nazis were/are racist authoritarians.

Nazis didn't start out with camps and Kristallnacht. They started in the same place as other racist authoritarians. They had to win a propaganda war first.

Today's radical Right are doing just that. The anger, resentment, scapegoating, accusations, and lies from FOX(R) and Limbaugh and all the rest of the radical Right's hateful messaging has been sinking in to millions of Americans.

They have indoctrinated a significant percentage of our population into believing Democrats are Socialists and the radical left "hates America".

Good God, MOST Trump voters believe HE WON! This degree of brainwashing and delusion is a lethal cancer on the republic.

As with Hitler, all opposition is demonized as "Marxist" and communism. Why in the world should I NOT compare such similar ideologies?

As I noted, Tucker Carlson denied the existence of white nationalism, but he attacked Rep. Ilhan Omar for “hating America,” saying, “We have every right to fight to preserve our nation and our heritage and our culture.” He fanned outrage at, “non-white people cheering the extinction of white people”.

Systemic denial of systemic racism is actually systemic racism. No wonder the radical Right sees the study of racism and its effects as a Marxist assault on our freedom, and is why they want to ban the 1619 Project and anything that looks like CRT.

And while we’re at it, let’s ban masks and vaccines. It’s just patriotic, unabashedly American, common sense.

Some think I went too far with, “I get a lot of flak for comparing America’s radical Right to Nazis. But racists are racists. Authoritarians are authoritarians. They spring from the same fetid mire of bigotry and hatred. They are enemies of democracy and equality. They share the bloody trait and heritage of a violent coup and Putsch... They desecrated the “Back the Blue” and US flags by beating police officers who thwarted their coup and protected our Congress and Constitutional rule of law. Are they really that different from Hitler’s Brownshirts?”

Perhaps you’ve heard of the Nazi anthem called “The Horst Wessel Song”. He was a brown shirt storm trooper killed in a 1930 brawl, possibly by communists. Nazi propagandists, led by Joseph Goebbels, elevated him to martyrdom.

Not to equate anyone, it seems Trump has his own martyr.

~~~~~

“Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America”

"I spoke to the wonderful mother and devoted husband of Ashli Babbitt, who was murdered at the hands of someone who should never have pulled the trigger of his gun. We know who he is. If that happened to the “other side,” there would be riots all over America and yet, there are far more people represented by Ashli, who truly loved America, than there are on the other side. The Radical Left haters cannot be allowed to get away with this. There must be justice!"

 “Save America”

President Donald J. Trump

August 11, 2021

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It’s quite clear who to hate and blame in all this, and they are not the “very special” terrorists he “loves”.

He promoted and basked in a renewed elevation of nationalism. Flagrant patriotism was the new norm. Flag displays, many of him, were more abundant than any time since 9-11. National security, as in a strong military, was paramount.  Without his leadership the military was “out of ammo” and weak. After he became president the military suddenly became the “most powerful military in the world”.

He wanted to expand interrogation torture tactics “beyond waterboarding”. "I would absolutely authorize something beyond waterboarding and believe me, it will be effective," he said on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos." "You have our enemy cutting heads off of Christians and plenty of others, by the hundreds, by the thousands."

"Do we win by being more like them?" asked Stephanopoulos.

"Yes," replied Trump. "I'm sorry. You have to do it that way."

The pro-torture serial sex offender pretended to embrace traditional family values. Denial of women’s reproductive rights was a priority. His appointments to the Supreme Court had to be pro-business and anti-choice.

History has echoes:

“The National Government...regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." - Adolf Hitler "My New Order" - Proclamation to the German Nation, Berlin, February 1, 1933

In 1941 Hitler said, “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

On October 10, 1936 Heinrich Himmler created the Reich Central Office for Combating Homosexuality and Abortion, or Special Office (II S), a sub-department of Executive Department II of the Gestapo.

Incidentally, Hitler’s “My New Order” was the only book his wife Ivana saw him read.

But Trump brought religion back to government, surrounding himself with preachers in the Oval Office. Better yet, Black preachers. After gassing protesters for exercising their First Amendment right, he brandished an upside-down Bible in a calculated campaign photo-op.

He anointed an unhinged woman as his “spiritual advisor” who reveled in her “assignment from God”. Paula White was the typical “prosperity” preacher who sucked up cash from unwitting dupes before bankrupting the church.

She employed the old scam of “speaking in tongues” to secure Trump’s reelection, as Jesus surely would have wanted. "We declare that we overcome every strategy of hell that has been aligned against this election, that has been aligned against your will, that has been aligned against the church," she said.

White claimed that "demonic confederacies" were attempting to steal the election from Trump.

"I hear victory, victory, victory, victory in the quarters of heaven," "Angels are being dispatched from Africa right now," she said, adding, "They're coming here."

Can I get an “Amen”?

He told us who the bad guys were. We’re not talking about ISIS, the Taliban, Russia or China, but fellow Americans. The enemies are everywhere, and they would be his scapegoats and targeted for blame for any and all ills within our borders.  He blamed immigrants for gangs and crimes, saying Mexico and other “shithole countries” were sending rapists and murders to the US. He wanted to have protestors and people crossing the border illegally to be shot. 

Athletes taking a knee to protest police violence were “sons of bitches” who deserved to be fired, “Radical left Democrats”, antifa, "The radical left democrat communist party" were more of his hated enemies. “Like it or not, we are becoming a communist country. That’s what’s happening.” The message is, “The Left hates America”.

He ran on a promise to ban Muslims from entering the country. His supporters were delighted to share his hate for all those “Anti-American others”. When he ordered the assassination of an Iranian bad guy, he pushed us to the brink of another war. Luckily Iran was satisfied by retaliating with a missile attack on a US base in Iraq.

Also, whenever the press portrayed him in any negative or unflattering way, they became “fake news” and “enemy of the people”. He led the media in circles with daily outrages and rants against journalists. In one week in 2018 he singled out three African-American women journalists. The women - Abby Phillip, April Ryan and Yamiche Alcindor - earned his contempt apparently just for asking him questions. Trump, the Birther President, called one of Ms Phillip's questions "stupid," described Ms Ryan as "a loser" and scolded Ms Alcindor, saying her question was "racist."

In the radical Right’s twisted world, only Blacks, BLM, and liberals are racists. They will tell you they “don’t see color” and judge only on the “contents of one’s character”. They will tell you racism isn’t really a problem anymore, but white conservatives are the real victims of racism.

The far Right’s primary Big Lie was “liberal media” in their war on journalism. Journalism has always been seen as a threat to totalitarians and authoritarians.

The German Nazis used the term “Lügenpresse”, or lying press, in their campaign to replace journalism with their party propaganda. Now American fascists replaced “liberal media” with  “fake news” and “enemy of the people” when journalists threaten their agenda with truth.

He cut taxes and regulations for corporations and the economic elites. He scorned organized labor and embraced opponents of unions and labor rights.

He proposed cutting activities funded by the National Endowment for the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Humanities.

Following the Goebbels playbook, he projected his dishonesty onto the press and opposition. “That’s what they’re doing. You know what it’s called? Disinformation. They make up a lot of crap and they say it over and over and over…”

This projection is to deflect away from Trump’s 30,000 plus lies in office, as well as the stolen election “big lie”.

From the Jewish Virtual Library:

“The original description of the big lie appeared in Mein Kampf. Adolf Hitler applied it to the behavior of Jews rather than as a tactic he advocated. Specifically, he accused Viennese Jews of trying to discredit the Germans’ activities during World War I. Hitler wrote of the Jews’ “unqualified capacity for falsehood” and “that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation…. From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited.”

The OSS psychological profile of Hitler described his use of the big lie:

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

Goebbels did describe the big lie in different language in an article he wrote in 1941, “Churchill’s Lie Factory,” but he was accusing the British of the ploy: “The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”

Hollywood Access personality Billy Bush, of the infamous “Grab ‘em by the pussy” interview, reported Trump’s telling response after being called out for inflating his ratings. "People will just believe you. You just tell them and they believe you,"

He claimed the mantle of “law and order”, but he had different standards for BLM protestors and his own insurrectionist mob. He praised his violent mob, saying they were special and he loved them. He and his party are dug in on protecting violent and crooked cops with “qualified immunity”. They resist any reforms to police powers and practices.

He placed unqualified family members and loyal cronies into the Cabinet and high lever advisory positions. His daughter Ivanka would be an advisor. Her husband Jared Kushner was to solve every problem from the Middle East to the opiod crisis, in addition to being Liaison to Mexico and China.

Trump assured us, "I know all the best people".

Manafort *

Roger Stone **

General Flynn **

Giuliani ****

Michael Cohen *

Tom Barrack ***

Rick Gates *

Allen Weisselberg *****

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* Convicted & imprisoned

** Convicted

*** Arrested

**** Raided by FBI

***** Indicted

 

He undermined and interfered with elections with his big lie that he won the 2020 election, and by demanding Georgia “find” him enough votes to win. He twisted arms at the Justice Department and demanded acting attorney general Rosen to, “Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me.” In self-serving subservience his party actively works to restrict voting rights, registration, and ballot access. Minorities are specially targeted for disenfranchisement of both the vote and fair representation.

There is no doubt that the American radical Right, like all fascists before them, are absolute enemies of democracy and equality.

But are they really fascists? If that’s not clear by now, here’s a handy guide for your search for any similarities and shared characteristics between our American Radical Right and fascism.

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 Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism.

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

by Lawrence Britt

Spring 2003

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


10 comments:

Jerry said...

According to your behavior patterns God was worse than Hitler. God killed every single person on Earth except Noah and his family.
You quote intellectuals and physiologists who offer their OPINION of facts they studied. I wonder what those same people would say about God after studying the Old Testament?
I guess (according to your conclusions) we can look forward to mass killings by the Trump led Republicans. When will the mass jailing and killings start? Who will they start with? Certainly you will be on their list. When will the U.S. government become a fascist killing machine?
I find hate drives your fantasy of American fascism. Trump is gone. He holds no position of power. Carlson is a reactionary on the right just as you are a reactionary on the left. And neither should be listened to.
Push the gloom and doom. Can you tell us when the World will end? You claim to be a student of WW II, but your understanding of what the brown shirts did, is lacking. Your comparison to Nazis is just as lacking and your conclusions are plain wrong. Nothing you point out has come to the same end as Nazi rule. The data you provide describes what Hitler did. It does not say Trump is the same as Hitler, which was your contention from the beginning. The facts of what has happened by Trump's leadership in no way compares to Nazi conclusion of their policies.
Keep espousing your hate and when they come for you, let me know. Your paranoia seems to have led you to the conclusion that you will be the first to be executed if what you claim, will ever come to pass.

Dave Dubya said...

Jerry,

Thank you for your response.

Yes, Jerry. I hate fascism. I hate racist white nationalism. Why don't you?

And yes, you seem to love straw men. What the hell does God have to do with this subject?

Your point seems to be that comparing Nazis to American racist white nationalists is only allowable if the end results are identical. Comparing is NOT equating.

I explained in the previous post that the Constitution limited the damage the Trump Cartel could do. You missed or ignored that.

And there you go again. Lecturing me on history without citing my error, while offering no facts. A common MAGA tactic. Show me where I am wrong, or please stuff it. I will publish your next comment only if you respond to this very reasonable request. Last chance.

And you say the leader of the Republican party has no power. Right. Just like FOX(R) has no influence on gullible racists.

That's really sad. Now you're equating calling out racism with racism itself. How far Right of you.

"Carlson is a reactionary on the right just as you are a reactionary on the left. And neither should be listened to."

You equate me with a racist like Tucker Carlson. Your false equivalence, aka "both siderism", fallacy is showing again.

I see you took your own advice and didn't pay attention to what I said.

"It does not say Trump is the same as Hitler, which was your contention from the beginning."

False. "The same" equals "Equate". "Compare" is NOT the "same". Get it?

Once again I request you refute my words instead of what you want them to mean. You failed to grasp my primary contention, which is the similarities of American racist white nationalism with European fascism, and their common roots.

As I stated, I don’t want to be a blog Nazi, but I insist on an understanding of the difference between “compare” and “equate”.

You've failed that simple standard.

Your reading comprehension is falling to the level of the radical Right. You seem to be operating from assumption of my position, or an emotional, rather than rational, perspective.

Can you engage in fair discourse, without resorting to baseless accusations, straw men, false framing, and gross misunderstanding and misrepresentation?

If not, then it's time for tough love, brother.

I understand perspectives and opinions vary, and grey areas exist. It's perfectly valid to have a different opinion. You don't like the comparisons I've made. Fine.Your opinion does not invalidate them.

Try this next time.

Dave, you were mistaken or in error on this point: "Dave's point".
This evidence shows the correct information: "Correct information".

Is that asking too much? Is that fair? It's the best suggestion I can offer to maintain fair and rational discourse while settling a disagreement.

Dave Dubya said...

Jerry,
Not to be overly persnickety, but words have definitions.

I tried in vain to show you the difference between "compare" and "equate".

Another term you might want to understand before applying it to me is "reactionary".

"Carlson is a reactionary on the right just as you are a reactionary on the left. And neither should be listened to."

“Reactionary”

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/reactionary

a person who is opposed to political or social change or new ideas:


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reactionary


Synonyms & Antonyms for reactionary

Synonyms
• archconservative,
• brassbound,
• button-down
• (or buttoned-down),
• conservative,
• die-hard,
• hidebound,
• mossbacked,
• old-fashioned,
• old-line,
• old-school,
• orthodox,
• paleoconservative,
• standpat,
• traditional,
• traditionalistic,
• ultraconservative,
• unprogressive

Antonyms
• broad-minded,
• large-minded,
• liberal,
• nonconservative,
• nonconventional,
• nonorthodox,
• nontraditional,
• open-minded,
• progressive,
• unconventional,
• unorthodox

Darrell Michaels said...


"Yes, Jerry. I hate fascism. I hate racist white nationalism. Why don't you?"

Interesting. Where do you draw the conclusion that Jerry doesn't hate fascism and racism too. You want to talk about straw men!

"And there you go again. Lecturing me on history without citing my error, while offering no facts. A common MAGA tactic."

Jerry may be many things but aligned with Trump's MAGA rhetoric is not likely to be one of them. Why do you resort to such things when someone disagrees with you, Dave?

As for pointing out your errors in that diatribe that was only slightly shorter than a Tolstoy novel would, as is typical, be a full time job. There is a reason why only the most militant leftists agree with you any more. You have gone over the edge, my friend.

Dave Dubya said...

Hi, Darrell,

Thank you for your insight. As you can tell, Jerry is upset by my comparisons. They are supported by evidence, but that doesn't seem to matter.

Next time I would appreciate it if you, or Jerry, would actually address my actual words, but that seems to be asking too much. I think you both react emotionally rather than rationally.

You missed my point on asking if Jerry hates fascism. He denounced me for just that, or my "fantasy of American fascism".

I find it fascinating how those who lecture me on history are oblivious of American Nazis, and racist white nationalists.

Jerry decided to accuse me of "hate" while ignoring the content of my post. That is NOT "disagreeing" with me. It is a judgmental comment on my emotional make-up, which both of you seem to think is worse than the radical Right extremism I'm discussing.

I think it angers you, so you respond emotionally.

You missed my point of my noting the specific MAGA tactic. I did NOT say Jerry is "aligned with Trump's MAGA rhetoric". See how readily you mischaracterize my words? As I desperately tried to convey to Jerry, words have meanings. Refute my words, not what you want to assume what I'm saying. This is also a radical Right tactic. You do it all the time. In fact, you just did it.

Neither of you are willing to engage in the subject and points presented. You join him in asserting I've made "errors", but mysteriously abstain from elucidating for me what or where the "error" is.

No need to address all 10,000 of them with a sweeping dismissal. Just pick ONE. ;-)

If you disagree, state what you disagree with, and WHY. One running example is your support of Trump's Big Lie that he won the election. I have asked you multiple times for evidence that shows WHY that is the case, but all in vain. (I know the reason, but you can't utter the words.)

You prefer to simply denounce me personally. And yes, that is exactly how the MAGA crew "debates". Trump and his cult offer nothing but ad hominem attacks, totally removed from reasonable and fact based discourse.

In the previous thread I told Jerry I'm fine with him disagreeing about comparing the American Radical Right with European fascism. He's entitled to that opinion. Unfortunately he, and you, would prefer to level negative opinions of me personally, while ignoring the content of my words.

Isn't that an example of bigotry? If not, it reeks of arrogance and a sense of moral or intellectual superiority.

And yes, it requires more than a bumper sticker to refute false accusations, misrepresentations and fallacies.

I would ask you why I am "militant" and what constitutes "over the edge", but you've also proven to be the sort to not present evidence to back your accusations and claims.

From that assessment, no doubt you believe I "hate America", because what I say upsets you, and you've been indoctrinated by radical Right elements to believe in that demonizing nonsense. After all, you believe the election was stolen from Trump. I rest my case.

Prove me wrong, buddy. I welcome it. Show me the facts and evidence that support your accusations and assertions. Wouldn't you think I need that corrective influence from more enlightened and erudite gentlemen like you and Jerry?

I think it is insulting and disrespectful to accuse someone of being wrong, while refusing to offer the correct information, or to even cite the error.

I know you well, so I never take it personally. In fact I've learned to never take anyone's ill-conceived, uneducated, angry, and false remarks personally, because I understand where they are coming from.

I've been around long enough to realize, "They know not what they do".

I'm not the subject of discussion, but emotionally reactive people can't see it. Just "shoot the messenger", it's the classic emotional reaction.


Jerry said...

"I told Jerry I'm fine with him disagreeing about comparing the American Radical Right with European fascism."
That is not true, and it's pointless to debate falsehoods.
You state many falsehoods, which aren't worth debating.
I don't know you well enough to hate you. I know your words well enough to read your hate.

Dave Dubya said...

Jerry,

You're attacking me with accusations without showing my offense. You accuse me of falsehoods but do not state what they are, nor do you offer the facts I've requested.

I asked you for facts and you double downed the accusations, without evidence to support them. You refuse to engage with my words again. This is not good faith discussion.

"I told Jerry I'm fine with him disagreeing about comparing the American Radical Right with European fascism." That is not true, and it's pointless to debate falsehoods.

Wrong, Jerry. It is pointless to debate without facts and evidence.

This is what I said above:

"I understand perspectives and opinions vary, and grey areas exist. It's perfectly valid to have a different opinion. You don't like the comparisons I've made. Fine. Your opinion does not invalidate them.

Try this next time.

Dave, you were mistaken or in error on this point: "Dave's point".
This evidence shows the correct information: "Correct information".

Is that asking too much? Is that fair?"


As I said to Darrell, "I think it is insulting and disrespectful to accuse someone of being wrong, while refusing to offer the correct information, or to even cite the error."

Obviously it was asking too much. You've done the exact same thing.

I gave you fair notice:

"Lecturing me on history without citing my error, while offering no facts. A common MAGA tactic. Show me where I am wrong, or please stuff it. I will publish your next comment only if you respond to this very reasonable request. Last chance."

After blatantly ignoring my request, you've decided to continue to disrespect and accuse me without showing evidence.

This is exactly the behavior of trolls. I won't put up with it. You were politely warned.

You've rejected good faith discussion.

Now you're done here.

Dave Dubya said...

Jerry, 8-19-21: “As far as I'm concerned Trump is in the past.”

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=134372208798387606&postID=5818651186902381349


Jerry, 2-21-21: “But the evil still lurks. He's working full time to divide the country. He will be speaking at the CPAK convention next Sunday. Accept the fact that this criminal will be in our national politics until he dies."

From ”Calm the fuck down.”
https://jdm4857.blogspot.com/2021/02/calm-fuck-down.html


Well, Jerry. Which is it? Make up your mind. One of these is false. Which one? Are you special like MAGAs and get to have it both ways?

Or is your head so full of hate, you're just confused? Hmm?

Dave Dubya said...

Jerry has a few things to teach Holocaust survivors.

https://twitter.com/johnpavlovitz/status/1432660710396420097

Five years ago I received a letter from a 90-year old woman who was born in the Netherlands, lived under Hitler, and whose father was tortured and died in Dachau. She told me she saw history repeating here and asked me to keep fighting. I do, every day. Fight on, good people.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2019/08/30/this-is-how-holocausts-happen/
This is How Holocausts Happen, How Nations Lose Their Humanity

Dave Dubya said...

The Defense calls these witnesses:

Holocaust Survivors and Trump

https://www.newsweek.com/im-holocaust-survivor-trumps-america-feels-germany-nazis-took-over-876965
'I'm A Holocaust Survivor—Trump's America Feels Like Germany Before Nazis Took Over'

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/2020/10/25/holocaust-survivor-fears-rising-tide-ugliness-blames-trump-opinion/3740781001/
This 92-year-old Holocaust survivor has a warning for America about Donald Trump

https://forward.com/news/458540/from-joy-to-oyholocaust-survivors-and-scholars-react-to-bidens-win-and-its/

For Holocaust survivors, Trump’s refusal to concede is a bad memory
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article223718330.html
Bernard Marks, the Holocaust survivor who challenged Trump’s immigration tactics

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-01-16/survivor-holocaust-education-defeating-trumpism
Holocaust survivor: World War II education is key to defeating Trumpism

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/letters/fl-op-letters-holocaust-survivor-capitol-assault-20210205-hnvwgdi4ibf7jieulbuwlqk7ni-story.html
A Holocaust survivor sees shades of his past in the Capitol assault

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/382270-holocaust-survivor-america-under-trump-feels-like-1929-berlin
Holocaust survivor: America under Trump feels like 1929 Berlin

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holocaust-survivors-auschwitz-remembrance-day-ben-lesser/
92-year-old Holocaust survivor says white supremacist imagery during Capitol riot "gave me taste of the past"

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/opinion/ct-abn-crosby-holocaust-st-1021-20161021-column.html
Holocaust survivor on Trump: 'I've seen this before — in Nazi Germany'

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-hitler-insurrection-autocracy-holocaust-january-6-20210127.html
Is it wrong to compare Trump to Hitler? No.