tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post998375913857099948..comments2024-03-18T17:42:24.279-04:00Comments on Dave Dubya's Freedom Rants: Still AmazedDave Dubyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-61976474254135624052011-11-17T12:36:40.344-05:002011-11-17T12:36:40.344-05:00//Least the Koch's earned their money//
ah, t...//Least the Koch's earned their money//<br /><br />ah, they inherited itokjimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013002335848390765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-83571016558125740312011-10-18T19:00:07.233-04:002011-10-18T19:00:07.233-04:00P.S.
I also know from direct Tea Party experience...P.S.<br /><br />I also know from direct Tea Party experience that every wacko with a crazy agenda will show up to your protest and try to jump on your band wagon to try and lend some legitimacy to their crazy ideas. such is the nature of leaderless movements... they attract the nut jobs.<br /><br />I'm sort of enjoying watching you have to deal with them, because they are all bothering you guys now and leaving us well enough alone.<br /><br />Enjoy the nazis, commies and skinheads.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-80467305878196898332011-10-18T18:56:40.140-04:002011-10-18T18:56:40.140-04:00Least the Koch's earned their money as opposed...Least the Koch's earned their money as opposed to Obama's donors who got it via bail outs. In an era where campaigns cost a lot of money that must be donated, at least my side has honest money.<br /><br />Boom.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-15861307899757644222011-10-18T15:08:34.136-04:002011-10-18T15:08:34.136-04:00Dave, the fascists are at Stage II of their propag...<b>Dave</b>, the fascists are at <i>Stage II</i> of their propaganda escapade; planting provocateurs and instigators among the protesting masses of OWS. Since denouncing them as "hippies", and other bogus terms such as "mobs", was hugely ineffective and has not reduced their numbers, they're attempting to discredit them by false association. <br /><br />We all know that <i>Stage III</i> will be to incite violence and destruction.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-48149791486364346322011-10-18T13:44:48.172-04:002011-10-18T13:44:48.172-04:00In case someone buys into the lies:
Chris Hedges ...In case someone buys into the lies:<br /><br />Chris Hedges interviewed an OWS woman in the park.<br /><br /><i>“People have been yelled out of the park,” she said. “Someone had a sign the other day that said ‘Kill the Jew Bankers.’ They got screamed out of the park. Someone else had a sign with the N-word on it. That person’s sign was ripped up, but that person is apparently still in the park.</i><br /><br />It's more than clear who's side American fascists are on. They hate the demonstrators.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-39432522254355340632011-10-18T13:00:57.837-04:002011-10-18T13:00:57.837-04:00This one was probably from you know who. I just th...This one was probably from you know who. I just thought I'd let one more shining example of evil and stupidity make my case.<br /><br />This is what American fascism looks like.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-28232471685382547872011-10-18T12:42:26.278-04:002011-10-18T12:42:26.278-04:00OWS just won the endorsement of Obama, the America...OWS just won the endorsement of Obama, the American Communist Party, and the American Nazi Party. <br /><br />All want the destruction of America.Leaning Forward Wagon Pullernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-15506637768195910522011-10-18T12:10:51.513-04:002011-10-18T12:10:51.513-04:00JG,
Righties tend to believe they know what we thi...JG,<br />Righties tend to believe they know what we think more than we do. Just ask one. It's important for them to fit us into a mold that makes for an easier target. As with their Big Lie of "liberal media", it is a wish fulfillment on their part to define us as stupid, ill-informed socialists out to destroy capitalism. <br /><br />And as we all know, this is why it often comes down to them calling us anti-American Marxists.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-33069904885912077982011-10-18T03:48:38.171-04:002011-10-18T03:48:38.171-04:00Dave, somehow Free0352 hasn't heard a thing yo...<b>Dave</b>, somehow Free0352 hasn't heard a thing you've said all these months. <br /><br />Strange, huh?Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-10452117386103975162011-10-17T17:40:35.079-04:002011-10-17T17:40:35.079-04:00Free,
Did you miss those numbers above? Pull for a...Free,<br />Did you miss those numbers above? Pull for an R and you have Big Money, including GS. They've gone back to their usual puppets. Pull D and you still get corpo-dems. Pull your L and you get Kochs.<br /><br />Money money money, D R or L.<br /><br />You're telling me nothing.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-64955387236433807602011-10-17T17:16:02.084-04:002011-10-17T17:16:02.084-04:00Keep telling yourself Dave that Obama is funded by...Keep telling yourself Dave that Obama is funded by nothing but hard working middle class folks and pull that lever for Goldman, pull it for JP Morgan. He'll tell you what you want to hear and you'll eat it up... just like last time... and once again he'll let the cronies opt of of ObamaCare and he'll cut them huge tax breaks and NOTHING WILL CHANGE.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-71901918132751847122011-10-17T03:52:07.529-04:002011-10-17T03:52:07.529-04:00Just the Facts!, you said...
"That's is ...<b>Just the Facts!</b>, you said...<br /><br />"<i>That's is what I've always heard about you.</i>"<br /><br />The only things <i>you've</i> ever heard are the voices in your head due to your pathological delusions, which are fed, I'm sure, by the lies and deceit coming from Fox News, the right-wing echo chamber.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-31217218548896219202011-10-16T23:45:27.059-04:002011-10-16T23:45:27.059-04:00Do you know who Wall Street supported by well over...<i>Do you know who Wall Street supported by well over 75% in the 2008 election? It wasn't McCain.</i> <br /><br />Tough question. Big secret. Hmm. Ya got me there.<br /><br />That was your question and answer. It was a distraction about the past, a distraction from the present truth that you didn't want to read. That is your pattern. <br /><br />That wasn't what you said directly after quoting me, was it?<br /><br />This pile of fascist excrement was:<br /><br /><i>Dave, your too smart to really believe that or at least I hoped you were. I can give you link after link where the OC protesters are expressing anti-Jewish feelings. Why do you think the American Nazi party supports the OC protesters? Because the OC protesters are made at gentiles?</i> <br /><br />You meant OWS, but never mind your usual ignorant jack around, you've gone over the line with <i> taking money from the Jews you and others liberals hates so much.</i><br /><br />That is pure fascist hate mongering.<br /><br />This means the time has come for us to ignore your typical rude troll crap, as well as your hate speech. <br /><br />You've been a fascist cult troll for long enough here. We got more than we need of what you say. Everything I've allowed you here for has finally come down to this foul hate.<br /><br />Your evil is not welcome, and shall not be rewarded with further reply.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-91874013780680086832011-10-16T21:33:28.094-04:002011-10-16T21:33:28.094-04:00"Do you know who Wall Street supported by wel..."Do you know who Wall Street supported by well over 75% in the 2008 election?" <br />There's the question I asked you Dave, in case you missed it! Or didn't take time to read it? Or did you want to deflect the fact that all of hated WALL STREET has had Obama , the man you have said you will support in 2012 for President,in their back pocket. You know the guy who supports the 99% now, but has been screwing them over all along and taking money from the Jews you and others liberals hates so much.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-48732540387986983472011-10-16T21:27:28.812-04:002011-10-16T21:27:28.812-04:00JG
To be your type I'd have to be an under ag...JG <br />To be your type I'd have to be an under age boy. That's is what I've always heard about you. <br />What do you recommend for pouge bait, Snickers or Almond Joy?Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-10281277395374097082011-10-16T21:13:15.733-04:002011-10-16T21:13:15.733-04:00Just The FOX(R),
No, you didn't ask about 200...Just The FOX(R),<br /><br />No, you didn't ask about 2008. You brought it up as an argument against what you quoted me, "Now they are bankrolling Republicans' campaigns".<br /><br />What did you say immediately after that? <i>Dave, your too smart to really believe that or at least I hoped you were.</i><br /><br />This is why I call it deliberate distraction and deceit. If you are not deliberately being dishonest, or ignorant, then I can only say you are intellectually lazy, inattentive or careless. Either way, distraction is the result.<br /><br />You say you want to "find different ideas". Good. Try reading for understanding.<br /><br />Instead you argue against something you didn't read or comprehend in the first place. That reinforces our perception that you are a rigid ideologue.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-38946415649270747052011-10-16T20:56:08.902-04:002011-10-16T20:56:08.902-04:00HR,
The only times I call Republicans fascists, de...HR,<br />The only times I call Republicans fascists, delusional or cultists is when they speak and behave as such.<br /><br />It is not a blanket indictment, but the party is sliding so fast to the radical Right, the terms tend to follow.<br /><br />For example, former governor of New Mexico Gary Johnson hasn't earned any of those tags. I applaud his courage to challenge stale doctrine.<br /><br />Eisenhower was certainly not a fascist or cultist either. You won’t find another Republican warning us about the Military Industrial Comples.<br /><br />Bachmann-Palin Overdrive and their followers on the other hand... <br /><br />See where I'm going here? There are damn few moderate Republicans left. As a party they are extreme in their opposition to democracy. I don’t care if someone wants lower taxes or no public funded abortions. I’ll even let someone try to say a corporation is a person. Fine. I can argue against those people without calling them anything. When public education is attacked I will defend it. When public services are denied, I will object. The greedy will be greedy, and will advocate for greed. I will question their conscience, but not their sanity. Those are their opinions. <br /><br />But when the party that represents those positions actively disenfranchises voters, destroys workers’ right to bargain on working conditions and pay, and allows corporations more rights than persons, I will call them what they are. When that party’s defenders call me a Marxist, or insinuate I am anything less than they are, or spew any other hateful dishonest Right Wing propaganda, they will be called the fascist that they are. <br /><br />I have documented moderate Republicans leaving the party due to its shift to the extreme Right. <br /><br />Rational statements are never derided as cultist either. However few would allow the word rational to describe many of the assertions and accusations presented by the Right Wing extremists here. <br /><br />When Limbaugh says, "Liberals want to destroy America and want the terrorists to win" he forfeits any civility, and deserves contempt as the propagandist and liar he is. <br /><br />I think the radical Right is shocked when they meet real resistance. They’ve cowed the corporate media for so long they think everybody will allow their dishonesty and destruction of democracy to go unchallenged. <br /><br />Okay, maybe I’m a radical extremist too, but I am being rational and extreme for the cause of democracy, for the Bill of Rights, and for the majority of Americans. <br /><br />Our government has become so corrupt that democracy and our Constitution have become the radical solutions.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-23058418075263259432011-10-16T20:30:18.285-04:002011-10-16T20:30:18.285-04:00Just the Facts!, you said...
"Fuck you!"...<b>Just the Facts!</b>, you said...<br /><br />"<i>Fuck you!</i>"<br /><br />Sorry, but you're not my type.<br /><br />"<i>Final note, I've not been on Tom's or this blog for a year. How about less than 6 months?</i>"<br /><br />Gee, it <i>seems</i> like a year. Actually, it seems like it's been an eternity.<br /><br />"<i>Wonder if that could be said about liberals?</i>" [visiting conservative blogs in order to find challenging ideas]<br /><br />Nope, been there and done that. I rarely visit conservative sites any longer because I seek the truth, and I find the truth has no validity with most conservative minds.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-65480312206969150712011-10-16T20:06:06.702-04:002011-10-16T20:06:06.702-04:00Jefferson's Guardian,
Fuck you!
Now I'v...Jefferson's Guardian, <br /><br />Fuck you!<br /><br />Now I've said something you can be pissed about. Dave, now I've given you reason to ban me from your site.<br />Go for it, the only people who you listen to are those who agree with you.<br /><br />Dave, <br />Top Goldman Sachs 2012<br />Nice but what I asked about was 2008. Guess another example of my asking numerous questions or distracting.<br /><br />Final note, I've not been on Tom's or this blog for a year. How about less than 6 months? FYI, I rarely read or post on conservative blogs, why? Because I agree with most posting I find there, I want to find different ideas that challenge my beliefs, and I want to challenge others positions. So I read the liberals blogs..Wonder if that could be said about liberals?<br />Naaah.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-52763263775949771562011-10-16T19:59:23.542-04:002011-10-16T19:59:23.542-04:00@John
"Have you forgotten about your interact...@John<br /><i>"Have you forgotten about your interaction at Fair and Unbalanced and Mysterious Things?"</i><br /><br />Not at all. Those are two good examples where the respective blog owners keep the conversation constructive, and do not lower themselves to calling their commenters named when they disagree.<br /><br />They also don't (usually) craft entire posts designed to call Republicans Fascists, delusional, or cultists.<br /><br />My comment was not intended as a defense of JTF or any other annoying commenters. It was to see if a rational statement might penetrate Dave's defenses, and see if we could return to a time when left and right freely debated at Freedom Rants, without the name-calling that is endorsed and employed by Dave himself.Eric Norenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648635662703229678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-48284632389643305042011-10-16T19:45:24.542-04:002011-10-16T19:45:24.542-04:00HR,
In case you and Just The FOX(R)both missed it...HR,<br /><br />In case you and Just The FOX(R)both missed it:<br /><br />Top Goldman Sachs 2012 cycle donations:<br /><br />Romney, Mitt (R)<br />$290,750<br />Obama, Barack (D)<br />$44,750<br />Brown, Scott P (R-MA)<br />$38,500<br />Rubio, Marco (R-FL)<br />$38,000<br />Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY)<br />$34,000<br />Pawlenty, Tim (R)<br />$19,000<br />Cruz, Ted (R-TX)<br />$17,750<br />Roskam, Peter (R-IL)<br />$17,500<br />McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)<br />$16,000<br />Cantor, Eric (R-VA)<br />$15,500<br />Himes, Jim (D-CT)<br />$15,000<br />McCarthy, Kevin (R-CA)<br />$15,000<br />Boehner, John (R-OH)<br />$14,500<br /><br />Look at all those (R's)<br /><br />You share some of that nonsensical style when you post: <i>Taxes create jobs. Show me. Your point doesn't stand until you can back it up</i> And I wearily did.<br /><br />One can reason with cultists, “6,000 year old Earthers” and “Birthers” only so much. The disconnect will always present itself. <br /><br />I’ve been more than tolerant of the red baiting, Nazi baiting and other fascist tactics. Yes they are fascist tactics. That is what fascists did....and still do. As a representative of the party that caters and serves only the wealthy elite, you cannot recognize what I am saying as relevant and true. You are defending your fellow ideologue and ideology, not the truth. I can freely say Obama has betrayed our Constitution. You cannot say the same of Republicans because you are the partisan. <br /><br />Yes it starts with attitude, and I have an attitude towards those who are dismantling democracy. And that attitude justly carries over to the minions of the proto-fascist advocates of minority rule. Look at where being nice to Republicans got Obama. He is the weakest president ever. Just what you want. Soon the Guardians Of Plutocracy will take the White House and continue their war on democracy and push their austerity program of punishment for the majority of Americans who had nothing to do with the debt and follies of Washington DC. <br /><br />Most of my life is past. I hurt for our children and grandchildren. They will never know the freedom and prosperity the former United States of America provided. <br /><br />I have a conscience and I know damn well when I see it lacking in others. There can be no conscience in an authoritarian cultist, only fanatical belief. <br /><br />Just the FOX(R),<br />My response to you is within the above comment.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-5788291340744912802011-10-16T19:42:47.375-04:002011-10-16T19:42:47.375-04:00Heathen,
Have you forgotten about your interacti...Heathen, <br /><br />Have you forgotten about your interaction at Fair and Unbalanced and Mysterious Things?John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-23544954835291902922011-10-16T19:39:58.725-04:002011-10-16T19:39:58.725-04:00HR,
Not be called names. Right. As if I and all th...HR,<br />Not be called names. Right. As if I and all the other progressives have not had our fill of Right Wing red baiting and accusations of being communists....or fascists, or any other term the accuser usually has no concept of.<br /><br />"...troll...fascist...sociopath...evil...insane...lacking conscience...intrusive...rude..." are all terms derived from verifiable context and examples from various extremist comments. Do you think I make up this crap we see here?<br /><br />Long ago I told JTF that dumping articles, distracting, and numerous questions, etc was troll behavior. He ignored me and continued. More similar content by himself and others was added later. This isn’t out of the blue.<br /><br />You and I have had somewhat constructive conversation, but that is not intended by some. I’m not so naive. <br /> <br />Forces against democracy need to be called for what they are. Rude dishonesty needs to be called for what it is. When idiots say I’m on the side of Nazis, I will say they are idiots. When they say I am a communist I will call them a fascist, because that is what fascists historically label those who disagree with them. When brainwashed cultists spew their brainwashing I will call them brainwashed cultists. That gives them leeway from being called simply evil. I try to understand where someone may be coming from. But I will not tolerate the intolerant. <br /><br />I’m also not so naive to call opposition to democracy nice names. Fascism is a cancer attacking our democracy and I will call it what it is. Minority rule by Republicans and the economic elites is proto-fascism and antithetical to democracy. I will not tolerate the intolerable. I will fight for freedom and democracy and that requires powerful words that contain truth. <br /><br />Look at this, <i>“I really hope you review your willingness to be ID'ed with any protest that has such an Anti-Jewish as OC does”.</i> And this: <i>“I can give you link after link where the OC protesters are expressing anti-Jewish feelings.”</i><br /><br />“OC” being OWS I would presume. Clarity is not the concern here obviously. <br /><br />No evidence offered. This is purely dishonest demonization. At least he admits he shills for the elites. There is a limit in trying to reason with such tactics. The limit is always pushed.<br /><br />I was quoted: "Your “scapegoat victims” are the powerful billionaires who first bought the politicians, then cheated us, and finally demanded we bail them out with bonuses. Now they are bankrolling Republicans' campaigns”. <br /><br />He responded: <i>Dave, your too smart to really believe that or at least I hoped you were.</i><br /><br />Maybe you can tell me what that means. I had even posted the donations in another thread JTF participated in. <br /><br />Continues...Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-87923217599552262762011-10-16T18:45:32.426-04:002011-10-16T18:45:32.426-04:00Heathen Republican, you said...
"It usually ...<b>Heathen Republican</b>, you said...<br /><br />"<i>It usually starts with the attitude and behavior of the blog owner, and commenters will follow suit.</i>"<br /><br />Possibly, but certainly not in this case. This character is a troll from the word go, and has haunted not only this site for far too long, but migrated from <i>The Rant by Tom Degan</i>, where he's been a nuisance for the last year. He's at his worst when he starts drinking at night (although he claims he's sober), when his obnoxiousness and challenge with grammar and spelling are clearly at its zenith. Tom is probably one of the most gentlemanly and courteous people you'd ever have the pleasure of knowing, so your premise is false. <br /><br />Please don't encourage his unacceptable behavior. I'm sure you wouldn't if you were a guest in Dave's home. Again, please don't here. <br /><br />Thank you.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-88751516738194092152011-10-16T18:07:45.001-04:002011-10-16T18:07:45.001-04:00"...troll...fascist...sociopath...evil...insa...<i>"...troll...fascist...sociopath...evil...insane...lacking conscience...intrusive...rude..."</i><br /><br />And that's just your last comment, Dave.<br /><br />I wonder what it would be like to participate in a blog from the left and NOT be called names, either personally or generally. You know, it is possible for people from the left and the right to participate on a blog without resorting to name calling. It's actually possible to have constructive conversation.<br /><br />It usually starts with the attitude and behavior of the blog owner, and commenters will follow suit.Eric Norenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648635662703229678noreply@blogger.com