tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post8677846463308937196..comments2024-03-18T17:42:24.279-04:00Comments on Dave Dubya's Freedom Rants: Prebuttals and RebuttalsDave Dubyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-85720348863005812692012-02-03T23:22:33.351-05:002012-02-03T23:22:33.351-05:00A month ago, we joked when we said that for Obama ...A month ago, we joked when we said that for Obama to get the unemployment rate to negative by election time, all he has to do is to crush the labor force participation rate to about 55%. Looks like the good folks at the BLS heard us: it appears that the people not in the labor force exploded by an unprecedented record 1.2 million. No, that’s not a typo: 1.2 million people dropped out of the labor force in one month! So as the labor force increased from 153.9 million to 154.4 million, the non institutional population increased by 242.3 million meaning, those not in the labor force surged from 86.7 million to 87.9 million. Which means that the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7% as the BLS is seriously planning on eliminating nearly half of the available labor pool from the unemployment calculation. As for the quality of jobs, as withholding taxes roll over Year over year, it can only mean that the US is replacing high paying FIRE jobs with low paying construction and manufacturing. So much for the improvement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-80423773608137160472012-01-29T13:13:00.490-05:002012-01-29T13:13:00.490-05:00willing to drop, not willing to agree with your de...willing to drop, not willing to agree with your definition of me, never.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-47712856665796139132012-01-28T17:48:46.967-05:002012-01-28T17:48:46.967-05:00Dear JtF, it was YOU who demanded I produce facts ...Dear JtF, it was YOU who demanded I produce facts that show FAUX NOOZ misinterprets and misrepresents the news. <br /><br />Remember?<br /><br /><br />"Support your claim that Fox News deliberately misinterpret what people write with examples." --Just the Facts<br /><br />When I did just that, you didn't like the evidence. Then YOU misdirected and claimed the sites that had actual snap shots of FOX's stupid presentations were liberal, as if that had any bearing on the facts.<br /><br />Now you're whining about it all after YOU brought up the matter and then was shown the evidence that my claim was correct. And now you protest that you never watch FOX.<br /><br />Man, you're all over the place on this, making absolutely no sense.<br />\<br />Let's just drop the matter and agree that you messed up. M'kay?Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-47887908179185360382012-01-28T10:53:24.165-05:002012-01-28T10:53:24.165-05:00Shawn,
I don't care what you say or claim to ...Shawn, <br />I don't care what you say or claim to know. You have and will not change my mind about so called liberals. <br />Anything that you can used to deflect from the liberal failures you will use including this thing you have with Fox News. It's pathological! <br /><br />Has it ever once dawned on you that I may not have cable or watch Fox News? Has it ever entered your mind that there are other sources of news available?<br /><br />Try these links for other news and opinion sources outside Fox News. Then report back how your handlers told you to respond.<br /><br />owntheworld.com/( Fox News noted once, but not as source)<br /><br />http://sadhillnews.com/ (Fox and CNN noted together as background for person quoted) <br /><br />http://jamesdelingpole.com/ (Fox not sited as source anywhere) <br /><br />http://weaselzippers.us/(first 7 stories, not one from Fox, but instead from ABC, MSNBC, IPT POLITICO RCP, WEEKLY STANDARD, CHICAGO TRIBUNE)<br /><br />www.burtfolsom.com/ (Fox last mentioned 1/29/2010)Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-65197229130530818562012-01-27T20:28:11.674-05:002012-01-27T20:28:11.674-05:00JtF: "Shaw, I checked your sources, surprise...JtF: "Shaw, I checked your sources, surprise! They were admittedly left wing, anti Conservative sites.Some were a yr old."<br /><br /><br />JtF, you apparently don't understand that truth has a liberal bias.<br /><br />BTW, what the hell difference does it make how old the links are that show FOX News has been misleading its viewers? That just proves how long they've been distorting and misrepresenting facts!<br /><br />Missed again.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-20783639050091957532012-01-27T20:15:31.190-05:002012-01-27T20:15:31.190-05:00Wanna talk about Ayn Rand some more?
Uh, she'...<i>Wanna talk about Ayn Rand some more?</i><br /><br />Uh, she's dead Dave, she died. I'm right here. You're having a debate with me, not Ayn Rand. Do I like Ayn Rand? Absolutely. But Objectivists aren't cult members and and Objectivism isn't a cult. Arn Rand was human being and like all humans she wasn't <i>always</i> right. Take our dissconnect over abortion. I like about 35% of Libertarians am pro life - Rand in no way was. So you can try to paint me with Rand wallpaper all you care to but if you want an honest debate it won't work because while Rand has influenced my thinking she doesn't do it for me.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-17049261832599860282012-01-27T15:18:43.428-05:002012-01-27T15:18:43.428-05:00Free,
Thank you for arguing against something that...Free,<br />Thank you for arguing against something that was not my point.<br /><br />You Righties love to pretend that we progressives are arguing that all capitalism is bad and all corporations are evil.<br /><br />You do love your straw men and distractions... <br /><br />Wanna talk about Ayn Rand some more?Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-62376039076341146772012-01-27T14:47:53.528-05:002012-01-27T14:47:53.528-05:00For some one who discredits Fox News as much as yo...<i>For some one who discredits Fox News as much as you do, you sure spend a lot of time talking about them.</i><br /><br />Truer words were <b>NEVER</b> spoken. I'm starting to think 80% of Fox's ratings are made up by Dave Dubya, and Okijim. I haven't watched Fox News for more than 2 minutes in 3 years and they still won't stop bringing it up like I care about it.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-49813028925365210522012-01-27T14:45:26.025-05:002012-01-27T14:45:26.025-05:00Dave,
Capitalism brought us out of the 18th centu...Dave,<br /><br />Capitalism brought us out of the 18th century. Prior to this the world economy was built on Mercantilism. I think I read that in one of those history book things I read from time to time.<br /><br />Funny, but it has always seemed to me liberals wanted to return us to a hybrid Social-Mercantilism. Funny how they call that regression <i>progressive</i>. I can see them demonizing the East India Company even as they taxed the middle class to bail it out just like Obama did Goldman Sachs and General Motors and AIG.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-37433197670802011002012-01-27T14:41:51.090-05:002012-01-27T14:41:51.090-05:00LOL, I see I touched a nerve. I'd half believ...LOL, I see I touched a nerve. I'd half believe you were reading all those books if you could form connected thoughts. Here's my suggested reading list for you.<br /><br />Horton Hears a Who by Dr Suess<br /><br />Every Body Poops by Minna Unchi<br /><br />The Little Engine That Could by Watty Piper<br /><br />Those seem more in line with your level. Now go watch some TV and let John Stewart and Rachel Maddow do your thinking for you.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-5150725046303802202012-01-27T12:58:45.566-05:002012-01-27T12:58:45.566-05:00oh oh oh.... and Free....I still take slight umbra...oh oh oh.... and Free....I still take slight umbrage to your insinuation that I do not read. Please, for your perusal..<br />Naomi Klein, "The Shock Doctrine"<br />Thomas Frank, "The Wrecking Crew"<br /><br />or... for cold, dark nights, to stimulate your non-Cabal mind, <br /><br />any E.L. Doctrow, Jim Harrison,Cormac McCarthy.okjimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013002335848390765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-24350392127653580702012-01-27T12:29:27.581-05:002012-01-27T12:29:27.581-05:00"Masturbating to John Stewart doesn't mak..."Masturbating to John Stewart doesn't make you informed." -Free<br /><br />Stewart? To be honest I always preferred Andy Rooney. Oh, gees... what a woody he could raise!<br /><br />"Try Reading"- Free<br /><br />Oh oh oh... from my current perusals..<br /><br /> “People who know little are usually great talkers, while men who know much say little.”<br />― Jean-Jacques Rousseau <br /><br />Not that I will admit to knowing much, as each day unfolds I discover more that I did not know'....I just glean,however, from your writings, that you know little, and, indeed, 'make shit up'<br /><br />It is symptomatic of the Tea Party movement. If I do not like the truth, if the truth does not fit what I believe. Just make shit up.<br /><br />It smacks of fanaticism. Eric Hoffer in his book, "The True Believer" a short philosophical foray into understanding mass movement said, <br /><br />“All mass movements generate in their adherents a readiness to die and a proclivity for united action; all of them, irrespective of the doctrine they preach and the program they project, breed fanaticism, enthusiasm, fervent hope, hatred and intolerance; all of them are capable of releasing a powerful flow of activity in certain departments of life; all of them demand blind faith and singlehearted allegiance.” <br /><br />This is still relevant, and to me... the epitome of the new Right Wing of the Republican/Tea Party. your writing is a good example.<br /><br />oh, but back to Stewart.... I do love the man. I watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" every time it is on Cabal TV. Sends me rushing for a wet towel.<br /><br />Have a good day, Free. The dog and I are reading "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich". I have to help him with the big words...and his understanding of WWII is scanty. I will help you, too, if you ask nice.<br />You do seem to be a cheerful guy, after all.okjimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013002335848390765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-6246759825797926382012-01-27T10:02:03.816-05:002012-01-27T10:02:03.816-05:00Free,
What they hell did unregulated Wall Street d...Free,<br />What they hell did unregulated Wall Street do to bring us out of the 18th century? Don’t worry. We’re headed back to the 18th century style aristocracy rule.<br /><br />Shaw,<br />Maybe Just the FOX(R) would like to crow about the sparkling success conservativism brought us with a war on drugs. But he won't. Just the FOX(R) never answers questions. He has no answers, unless he copys someone else's words. He is a troll, and not a very bright one at that.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-60551032294597572042012-01-27T09:39:04.850-05:002012-01-27T09:39:04.850-05:00Shaw, I checked your sources, surprise! They were ...Shaw, I checked your sources, surprise! They were admittedly left wing, anti Conservative sites.Some were a yr old.<br /><br /> Keep drinking the liberal kool-aid Shawn, while over looking non Fox News reports such s this. <br /><br />Ener1--a company that manufactures batteries for electric cars, and that received $118.5 million in federal stimulus money, and that Vice President Joe Biden visited last year the day after President Obama’s State of the Union Address—announced today (1/26/2012) that it has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.<br /><br />You see Shawn, govt is rotten at picking the winners and losers in business, and under our Constitution has no business doing so.<br />Hang in their buddy, one day you too will be called a loser by your favorite liberal.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-28080772059097118662012-01-27T09:10:24.968-05:002012-01-27T09:10:24.968-05:00Just the Facts wrote: "Blogger Shaw Kenawe
...Just the Facts wrote: "Blogger Shaw Kenawe <br /><br />For some one who discredits Fox News as much as you do, you sure spend a lot of time talking about them.<br /><br />Maybe it would be wise of you to spend the same amount of time and effort defending the failures of liberalism. Starting with Solandra."<br /><br />That's called redirection and changing the subject. A ploy politicians use when they've been cornered with the truth. <br /><br /><br />Apparently what I posted, a factual answer to your request for evidence that FOX News absolutely does misinform its audience, stunned you so you came back with an unconnected statement.<br /><br />Solyandra has nothing whatsoever to do with your request for proof that FOX News misinforms.<br /><br />Nice try.<br /><br />But I made my point, you didn't.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-79783356170570783402012-01-26T22:29:58.903-05:002012-01-26T22:29:58.903-05:00the failure of the unregulated capitalism of Wall ...<i> the failure of the unregulated capitalism of Wall Street?</i><br /><br />Without capitalism we'd still be in the 18th century. Somehow dave, I doubt you could survive plowing a field for very long.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-74376749609269199462012-01-26T22:00:14.228-05:002012-01-26T22:00:14.228-05:00Just The FOX(R),
How about you compare the "f...Just The FOX(R),<br />How about you compare the "failure of liberalsm" to the failure of the unregulated capitalism of Wall Street? <br /><br />Which one hurt the country more?Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-40750999185506155362012-01-26T21:56:04.166-05:002012-01-26T21:56:04.166-05:00HR,
Your point on income tax rates is taken. My ar...HR,<br />Your point on income tax rates is taken. My argument was not restricted to only income tax, was it? Those are not the only taxes paid by the middle class. Add SS and Medicare and the tax rate for the middle class is higher. Add taxes for gasoline, goods and services, and it is a higher still. Do you think Romney's gasoline bill for driving to work is an equal portion of his income as mine? <br /><br />Oh, that's right. He doesn't even go to work. He gloated about being unemployed. <br /><br />Consider for a second what impact those taxes have. Who feels it most in respect to their cost of living? <br /><br />Romney and his fellow aristocrats’ "burden" is utterly negligible. Not so with the middle class.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-1827176124488382482012-01-26T21:23:39.936-05:002012-01-26T21:23:39.936-05:00Blogger Shaw Kenawe
For some one who discredits ...Blogger Shaw Kenawe <br /><br />For some one who discredits Fox News as much as you do, you sure spend a lot of time talking about them.<br /><br />Maybe it would be wise of you to spend the same amount of time and effort defending the failures of liberalism. Starting with Solandra.<br /><br />.americansforprosperity.org/green-scams-2<br /><br /><br />http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house<br /><br />http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/abc-news-investigations-year-solyndra-scandal/story?id=15199603#.TyIJ5yMv870<br /><br />Not Fox News here Shaw, who you gonna blame next?Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-22560116306964778012012-01-26T20:36:31.095-05:002012-01-26T20:36:31.095-05:00"Your point is taken."
Dave, I actually...<i>"Your point is taken."</i><br /><br />Dave, I actually haven't made my point yet, I just wanted you to be specific about a "working American" income, which you seem afraid to do. Are you afraid of offering a specific number because it's easier to refute and you're not prepared to back it up? Anyway, I'll go ahead and make my point.<br /><br />In your post you say, <i>"Romney... pays a lower tax rate on his $21 million per year than most working Americans..."</i><br /><br />But most families pay less that Mitt Romney even though he pays the 15% capital gains rate. Take the median income of $50,221 in 2009. (For those who don't know, median means 50% of people make more and 50% of people make less.)<br /><br />Someone married filing jointly with an income of $50,221 would pay an effective tax rate of 9.9%. Mitt Romney pays a tax rate that's more than 50% higher. Would you say that the 50% of people making under $50,221 can be safely classifed as "working Americans"? If so, you have to admit "working Americans" do not pay a higher rate than Mitt Romney. (<a href="http://heathenrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/01/paying-more-taxes-than-romney-dont-be.html" rel="nofollow">Sources here</a>)<br /><br />===<br /><br />I see that you followed up by changing the parameters of your original argument, saying middle class working Americans <i>"pay a far greater share of their income in other taxes for goods and services than Romney."</i> So when you know you'll lose the income tax argument, you move the goal posts to include other taxes? How typical.<br /><br />You can't back this up because you have no idea how much Romney pays in property and sales taxes, so you should withdraw it as unfounded unless you can offer proof.Eric Norenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648635662703229678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-2029632012523788792012-01-26T18:32:11.048-05:002012-01-26T18:32:11.048-05:00admitting to being grossly under- informed?
Mastu...<i>admitting to being grossly under- informed?</i><br /><br />Masturbating to John Stewart doesn't make you informed. Try reading.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-16916436819546738692012-01-26T18:28:52.758-05:002012-01-26T18:28:52.758-05:00Dave W.
Ya still get tingles up your leg and anus...Dave W.<br /><br />Ya still get tingles up your leg and anus when obama gives a speech?HopeyChangynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-72871642031618166162012-01-26T16:14:23.675-05:002012-01-26T16:14:23.675-05:00okjimm,
Thank you.
Conservative icon William F. B...okjimm,<br />Thank you.<br /><br />Conservative icon William F. Buckley knew the woman. On "Atlas Shrugged", WFB:"I had to flog myself to read it." On Ayn, WFB : "Her scorn for charity,for altruism was such as to build up an unfeeling system".<br /><br />Rand is the Mother of All Sociopaths, enemy of democracy...and a hypocrite.<br /><br /><i>"Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom."</i><br /><br />If you like that one, you'll love, "Arbeit Macht Frei".<br /> <br />No wonder her minions and dupes sound like sociopathic fascists.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-33306547618314256222012-01-26T13:23:43.146-05:002012-01-26T13:23:43.146-05:00... and please, do not cite Rand. She admired ser...... and please, do not cite Rand. She admired serial killers...<br /><br />http://www.alternet.org/books/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killers<br /><br /><br />and for all her ranting and raving she had no qualms about collecting social security or medicare<br /><br />http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits,_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them/okjimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013002335848390765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-54273804939342449762012-01-26T12:51:19.043-05:002012-01-26T12:51:19.043-05:00'I think Free just makes shit up'
"I...'I think Free just makes shit up'<br /><br />"I haven't had cabal TV in 12 years"<br /><br /> admitting to being grossly under- informed?<br /><br />Cabal...? A GOP one?<br /><br />"I think Free just makes shit up"<br />"Like what," he says.<br /><br />Like.... "My point was socialism leads to totalitarianism. Socialism is like the totalitarian gateway drug."<br /><br />oh gees... must go walk the dog... he has some shit to make up.okjimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013002335848390765noreply@blogger.com