tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post7197941443490732001..comments2024-03-27T21:14:20.537-04:00Comments on Dave Dubya's Freedom Rants: Con-servative TerrorismDave Dubyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-84979019288802853992019-02-28T11:30:13.415-05:002019-02-28T11:30:13.415-05:00I suppose, one day, we'll find ourselves in an...I suppose, one day, we'll find ourselves in an <i>Idiocracy</i> -- like in the 2006 science fiction dystopian comedy. We're almost there.<br /><br />Enjoyed bantering with you...Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-18591935228407840042019-02-28T07:14:36.487-05:002019-02-28T07:14:36.487-05:00Right. This is why these people need to be consid...Right. This is why these people need to be considered when making arguments. If we marginalize them and dismiss them, than we end up with more politicians like our current President.<br /><br />Good conversation.TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-43717980026744423902019-02-28T07:11:33.721-05:002019-02-28T07:11:33.721-05:00"I wonder how the NGD's co-sponsor, Senat..."I wonder how the NGD's co-sponsor, Senator Markey, feels about being dissed?" -- JTF <br /><br />No you don't. :)TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-80998543262751919402019-02-27T19:10:42.585-05:002019-02-27T19:10:42.585-05:00The imbecile, "Just the Facts" still has...The imbecile, "Just the Facts" <i>still</i> has no clue what's the difference between climate and weather. <br /><br />TG3, I apologize. You're right, it doesn't matter whether the corporate mainstream media is comprehensive or not. There are <i>way too many</i> dumb-asses.<br /><br />Extinction Rebellion's tactics of civil disobedience may be our only option. Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-32769506602531039622019-02-27T17:57:39.904-05:002019-02-27T17:57:39.904-05:00Schumer: Voting On Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal ...Schumer: Voting On Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal Is A “Sham”…<br /><br /><br />I shocked, I'd think Chuck would want America to know how much DEMOCRATS support the NGD with their vote. I wonder how the NGD's co-sponsor, Senator Markey, feels about being dissed? Just the Facts!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04046021100837080313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-7471736403925606882019-02-27T17:56:43.610-05:002019-02-27T17:56:43.610-05:00TB3,
Good points were made. Calling attention to ...TB3,<br /><br />Good points were made. Calling attention to a problem does not fix anything, but it is an important step. <br /><br />And so is putting a bucket under a leak to lessen the damage. It is temporary, but means more is to be done.<br /><br />There are several fronts in this struggle against catastrophic warming.<br /><br />You're right. Most important is the need for more courageous or younger or politicians like AOC to actively bring legislation into addressing global warming.<br /><br />Now about that corporatocracy and corporate media. We can't dismiss their roles.<br /><br />The corrupting influence on government by Big Oil is still a major impediment. They are funding the Republicans and the climate change denial industry. Big Oil pumps a lot of cash into corporate media. It is a real problem. Especially in this country. This is why there is a larger percentage of Americans questioning global warming than in any other country's population.<br /><br />Now we're on the cusp of our corporate media cheer-leading military intervention in Venezuela. The Military Industrial Complex also pumps a lot of cash into corporate media. <br /><br />We'll probably see protest demonstrations against this, but they will be too late, and as ineffective as with Bush's invasion of Iraq.<br /><br />We're not trying to reach the cult, but those who can be swayed by truth and science. <br /><br />Nothing will convince the brainwashed true believer that climate is different from weather.<br /><br />See above. Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-41327777309150902122019-02-27T17:05:39.377-05:002019-02-27T17:05:39.377-05:00"But [climate change] is being addressed [by ..."<i>But [climate change] is being addressed [by the corporate media].</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Really? Adequately?<br /><br />The media have nibbled around the edges, yes, but haven't reported, in depth, the ramifications of atmospheric and oceanic warming on eco-system breakdowns, pathogen developments, extinction rates of non-human species, etc., etc. Ask the common person what the consequences of warming climate means, and I'm sure they're limited to discussing ice-shelf loss and rising sea levels.<br /><br /><i>That's</i> what I'm meaning when I say it hasn't been adequately addressed. <i>That's</i> what I mean about sins of omission.<br /><br /><br />"<i>If awareness solved problems, Susan G Komen would have licked Breast Cancer by now.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />That's pure speculation. <br /><br />If the corporate media really made an effort to report corporate malfeasance (i.e., pollution of our air and waterways, the contamination of our foods and drinking water, etc.), perhaps <i>every</i> cancer would be eradicated by now. <br /><br />There's big money in treating cancer, not unlike the money that's to be made in supplying the implements of war (or in incarcerating prisoners, as just one more example).<br /><br />Follow the money.<br /><br /><br />"<i>[Conservative] cries of media bias against their point of view hasn't won you over to their side, has it?</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Do you think it has? Has it won <i>you</i> over? <b>;-)</b><br /><br />My disagreement with the conservative argument is its insistence that the media bias is of the liberal variety.<br /><br /><br />"<i>...because the prospect of exctinction and losing one's home is currently not real to the people that need to be convinced. We can see how well that kind of appeal worked in a children's story: Chicken Little.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Yet, the fairytale Jesus stories <i>always</i> strike a chord with the willfully uninitiated. <b>;-)</b><br /><br />As previously mentioned, galvanizing a population for war is an easy task. (Just ask George W. Bush.) With something like climate-warming, where the threats are not as easily apparent or discernable, obviously the challenges are enormous.<br /><br />Hence, a last-gasp effort at swaying at least 3.5% of the population to engage in civil disobedience. Obviously Extinction Rebellion believes any redundant political processes are ineffective and not expedient enough to turn the tide. Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-52042534914763256442019-02-27T11:57:16.602-05:002019-02-27T11:57:16.602-05:00"There is a reason why a higher percentage of..."There is a reason why a higher percentage of Americans deny global warming." Gee, maybe it's because it's claimed that the USA is the source of man caused global warming.<br /><br /><br />One of the strongest Arctic outbreaks of winter is ready to surge into the Lower 48 soon<br />By Ian Livingston<br />The Washington Post<br />Updated 2/26/2019 1:58 PM<br /><br />Atmospheric River Is Pummeling California's Sierra With Feet of Snow, Topping February Records<br />By Jonathan Erdman <br />The Weather Channel<br /><br />Los Angeles is officially experiencing the coldest February in nearly 60 years, according to the National Weather Service, as the city has endured a series of storms and is bracing for more later this week.Just the Facts!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04046021100837080313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-83506856099361670812019-02-27T11:41:34.711-05:002019-02-27T11:41:34.711-05:00"Peaceful protest and non-cooperation are sti..."Peaceful protest and non-cooperation are still viable and visible means of calling attention to global warming. There's nothing wrong with appealing to emotion, as long as the science is presented as well." -- DD<br /><br />I totally agree that peaceful protest and non-cooperation are viable and visible means of calling attention to something. What I quibble about is its efficacy in achieving the change necessary to deal with the problem. Calling attention to climate change is like putting a bucket under a leak in the ceiling. You're aware of the problem, but it's not fixing it. Earlier in this thread there was talk of paradigm shifts and a different age. I just don't think that this approach would achieve the desired goals in the necessary time frame that keeps getting mentioned in conversations about dealing with climate change. Isn't there a red line that scientists keep saying that we're coming up on? I believe peaceful protest and non-cooperation are wonderful tools when we're not butting up against a timeline. I believe electing more people with priorities with dealing with climate change will be more effective in the short term. More, young, like minded people to AOC in Congress for instance.<br /><br />"Remember the "Daisy Ad"? Instead of extinction, their signs would be more effective if they's show children facing catastrophic events tied to global warming." -- DD<br /><br />Yes. However, referencing the Daisy Ad, is Apples to Oranges here. Daisy fed on an existing fear of Nuclear Armaggeddon. A similar ad here would only stoke the fears of people that already believe in the catastrophic effects of climate change. It would elicit eye rolls and dismissals from those we would hope to sway to our side. This brings me back to my previous comments on the need to NOT SOUND hyperbolic. We see news coverage of the terrible forest fires and mudslides and hurricanes every year. People still deny it has anything to do with climate change, so showing them advertisements with this kind of imagery will only reinforce each side's opinions. <br /><br />"Show images of privation, hunger and devastation for the masses, along with the cozy gated enclaves protecting the privileged.<br /><br />Make it about them, their children and their future." - DD<br /><br />Again. I'm not being a contrarian here. I'm just failing to see how this tactic will, at all, convince the deniers and unbelievers. I can see images of privation, hunger, and devestation for the masses when I see those 'Feed the children for just 27 cents a day' commercials. It's hard to convince someone the sky is falling when they look up and don't see it happening. It's hard to convince someone of a future of hardship when they are currently living in relative comfort and always has.<br /><br />Gee, I'm not used to being ya'll's foil in these conversations. :) I just want to reiterate that I'm on your side of the climate change debate. Chants, slogans, signs and spray paint may be acts of despiration... but I feel if people willing to do that put that energy into putting themselves in a position to inact legislation or government action we'd see faster movement in the right direction. I'd anticipate a dismissal of this citing corporatism and corporate media, but such an avenue shouldn't be outright dismissed so simply. See how quickly the Green New Deal came into the public zeitgeist when AOC was sworn in. Had she lost her election, how loud would her voice be advocating for it?TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-89456301082902532522019-02-27T10:17:59.284-05:002019-02-27T10:17:59.284-05:00After enduring the Blitz, maybe Brits feel more at...After enduring the Blitz, maybe Brits feel more attuned to a threat of extinction? It may resonate more with them.<br /><br />There is a reason why a higher percentage of Americans deny global warming. Republican lies, the corporate media's neglect, and "both-siderism" have taken a severe toll on dissemination of facts.<br /><br />Nothing can penetrate the cult bubble, but more media recognition of a real crisis would only help the majority learn the facts.<br /><br />Peaceful protest and non-cooperation are still viable and visible means of calling attention to global warming. There's nothing wrong with appealing to emotion, as long as the science is presented as well. <br /><br />Remember the "Daisy Ad"? Instead of extinction, their signs would be more effective if they's show children facing catastrophic events tied to global warming. <br /><br />How about a little child asking Republicans why oil company profits are more important than their future? Show parents fleeing inundated coastal regions, apologizing to their children for trusting Big Oil and the Republicans. Show images of privation, hunger and devastation for the masses, along with the cozy gated enclaves protecting the privileged.<br /><br />Make it about them, their children and their future. <br /><br />Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-12198128704937046412019-02-27T09:36:59.619-05:002019-02-27T09:36:59.619-05:00"I'm not sure once something is politiciz..."I'm not sure once something is politicized, it's even possible to "depoliticize it"." - JG<br /><br />Some people believe that if climate change is occurring, there's no consensus on if it's even possible to halt or reverse it. Like with climate change, there's no harm in trying. :)<br /><br />"It's inconsequential to solving the problem, but certainly not to addressing it. Its failings have been decades in the making." - JG<br /><br />But it is being addressed. Talking about the problem and "awareness" isn't going to solve it. If awareness solved problems, Susan G Komen would have licked Breast Cancer by now. You mentioned in a prior comment that the "collective solutions [of climate change] will create totally different world outlooks and viewpoints." Greenpeace has been screeing about the planet and its fate for decades. A new organization with a doom and gloom name that can be vilified on Fox News and OAN, getting themselves arrested, and graffiting buildings isn't going to the win the hearts and minds of skeptics to get to that 3.5%. Just in my opinion. I need to note; I'm not a skeptic. Climate change is happening and it needs to be dealt with. I'm just questioning this new group's approach and whether chants and slogans will effect change in the timely manner it needs to happen in.<br /><br />"If the corporate media don't want us to learn about something, they just ignore it. It's their sins of omission." - JG<br /><br />Yet you and me and millions of other people around the world are able to acquire information in regards to the truth about the matter, despite efforts or indifference of the media. This isn't a powerful argument. You're making the same argument "Right-wing" "Conservatives" make about the "Liberal" Media. Sins of Omission are what they harp on. "Why do they always focus on the bad things *Insert their team member* does and not all the good things? Bias!" Their cries of media bias against their point of view hasn't won you over to their side, has it? Why would the same argument tactic replacing "Conservative" views with facts on climate change work?<br /><br />"Losing one's home, and the prospect of extinction, can be emotional. ;-) It need not be devisive" - JG<br /><br />Losing one's home and the prospect of extinction can be emotional, I agree. What I am saying; appealing to that emotion isn't effective... because the prospect of exctinction and losing one's home is currently not real to the people that need to be convinced. We can see how well that kind of appeal worked in a children's story: Chicken Little. When the unconvinced can look at the weather and say 'It's snowing' or 'We're having record cold', never mind the fact that weather is different than climate, they can dismiss the 'Sky is falling' emotional appeals.TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-82965289782270611042019-02-26T17:15:51.812-05:002019-02-26T17:15:51.812-05:00"My overarching point, though, is that we sho..."<i>My overarching point, though, is that we should look to depoliticize it.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />I'm not sure once something is politicized, it's <i>even possible</i> to "depoliticize it".<br /><br /><br />"<i>You're pointing a finger at [the corporatist mainstream media] that is currently inconsequential to solving or addressing the problem.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />It's inconsequential to <i>solving the problem</i>, but certainly not to addressing it. Its failings have been decades in the making.<br /><br /><br />"<i>...[if the heads of corporate media] snapped their fingers and started to broadcast the truth as you see if, it's been politicized to such a point and people have already picked their 'teams'</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />As I said, <i>everything</i> that can be conceived, can be politicized. We've seen, firsthand, facts politicized by this administration and turned inside out.<br /><br />With global warming, for example, the factual, overwhelming consensual, information is out there, but the media chose and continue to choose to ignore it. It's almost ignored as much as alternate theories of what occurred on 9/11.<br /><br />If the corporate media don't want us to learn about something, they just ignore it. It's their sins of omission.<br /><br /><br />"<i>...what about Extinct Rebellion's strategic approach would address our situation with the timeliness that is required?</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Probably, in reality, nothing -- other than it's a last gasp effort. Ghandi knew civil disobedience was all that's left when political processes fail. Extinction Rebellion approaches the situation from the same perspective. <br /><br />Their approach is one of desparation.<br /><br /><br />"<i>Emotion is divisive...</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Losing one's home, and the prospect of extinction, <i>can be</i> emotional. <b>;-)</b> It need not be devisive.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-19104487153950915012019-02-26T14:35:33.962-05:002019-02-26T14:35:33.962-05:00TB3,
”I guess it's 'cause Capitalism has b...TB3,<br /><i>”I guess it's 'cause Capitalism has become a code word as much as Communism or Socialism has. Divide. Divide. Divide.”</i><br /><br />That’s the plan. Divide and conquer is vital to any authoritarian ruling class or power. Invoke the dreaded “other”. Make up your own definitions. This is amply illustrated by the tactics of Frank Luntz and other propagandists of the Right. They have learned there is power in unilaterally defining terms. Our language is flooded with terms like “death tax” and “job creators”. <br /><br />As long as they get away with it they will have power. Agreement on definition of terms is key to discussing, debating, and resolving issues. They don’t want to debate. They want to dominate. This is the difficulty that a reality based opposition must face. <br /><br />And yes, the Left can apply that tactic too. This is the point of my rants on authoritarian Con-servatism. If we don’t define them accurately, they will define us as they see fit.<br /><br />Capitalism, socialism and communism have become nebulous code words, especially when assigned to opposing viewpoints. The same is true with fascism. Even liberal capitalists have been labeled communists, socialists and fascists by the Right. They don’t care what the words really mean, it’s the emotional impact of their accusations. <br /><br />George Orwell discussed this turbulence of shifting meanings in “What is Fascism?”.<br /><br /><i>It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.<br /><br />Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.</i><br /><br />So let's get this as accurately as possible. Trump and the racist, authoritarian, white nationalist Con-servatives are bullies. The same goes for the Republican Party and their corporate owners. <br /><br />Some are as openly fascist as Nazis, others are not. But they are bullies. They want power to dominate and control the rest of us.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-39950854705060622022019-02-26T13:44:54.560-05:002019-02-26T13:44:54.560-05:00"Greed-is-good Gang" - DD
Greed is good..."Greed-is-good Gang" - DD<br /><br />Greed is good; It's a powerful motivator. That's what I don't understand about those on the "Right". Dangle the carrot of profit in front "Capitalists" and they should be reaching out for it. Instead, government initiatives to have companies improve emmission standards and build a Renewable Energy sector of the private sector economy is decried as socialism, rather than embraced as the money making opportunity that it is.<br /><br />"They are a threat to our specially designed economy, of, by, and for the Right elites and their Right Capitalism." - DD<br /><br />I guess it's 'cause Capitalism has become a code word as much as Communism or Socialism has. Divide. Divide. Divide.<br /><br />E Pluribus Unum: More than just foreign words on our currency.TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-14201745750326485842019-02-26T13:35:55.712-05:002019-02-26T13:35:55.712-05:00"Yes, as has everything ~~ including war.&quo..."Yes, as has everything ~~ including war." - JG<br /><br />Yes. My overarching point, though, is that we should look to depoliticize it.<br /><br />"Agreed, but it's because the corporatist mainstream media is omissive, or even dismissive, in explaining the consequences." - JG<br /><br />You're pointing a finger at something that is currently inconsequential to solving or addressing the problem. If, today, someone that can make decisions at NBC/ABC/FOX/CNN/CBS/BBC/ETC/ETC/ETC snapped their fingers and started to broadcast the truth as you see if, it's been politicized to such a point and people have already picked their "teams" that what good would that do at this point? Look at JTF. Provide all the credible information from credible sources that you want on any of a litany of subjects, they have already decided what they believe and, if they even counter, will counter with something from inside his bubble. Probably 'pwnthelibtards.ru' or something.<br /><br />"that the corporate state is well on its way to driving the final nail into the coffin of our democratic republic." AND<br /><br />"This is what I found particularly unique in Extinct Rebellion's strategic approach to protesting against a politically-entrenched system that chooses to ignore the warning signs."<br /><br />Admirable. But what about Extinct Rebellion's strategic approach would address our situation with the timeliness that is required? I admit I've only done my cursory bit of research, so I'm legitimately asking you this before I dive deep into it to learn. From my perspective, advocating a political paradigm shift is a slow process. Look how well it's worked for Greenpeace and Sea Shepard.<br /><br />Also... that name. Extinction Rebellion? That's pretty off-putting and the name they choose to use is hyperbolic and intended to elicit emotion. Emotion is divisive and people that have picked their sides will only dig their heels in deeper and probably blame a certain freshman congresswoman's boyfriend having a job with her campaign as a reason not to worry about rising sea levels.TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-88101087574023460962019-02-26T13:06:13.804-05:002019-02-26T13:06:13.804-05:00"Why does a certain flavor of the political s..."<i>Why does a certain flavor of the political spectrum hate capitalism so much?"</i><br /><br />That would include the "Keep govt hands off Medicare" crowd, I'm sure. Must be all that socialist Social Security and healthcare they seem to like.<br /><br />Or it's all about the "Right" capitalism. Their loyalty is to the "Right" capitalists and the "Right" corporations who truly deserve all the corrupt leverage, representation, corporate welfare and trickle up wealth.<br /><br />These are frightening times. The entrenched "Greed-is-good Gang" need protection from all the commies being elected to office by mob rule.<br /><br />They are a threat to our specially designed economy, of, by, and for the Right elites and their Right Capitalism. <br /><br />No "green-is-the-new-red" hippie upstarts are welcome. It's the only Right way for America, after all.<br /><br />Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-49374610094130482772019-02-26T11:25:41.875-05:002019-02-26T11:25:41.875-05:00"Climate Change has been politicized." ~..."<i>Climate Change has been politicized.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Yes, as has <i>everything</i> ~~ including war. Yet mobilization for war has a better chance for national consensus. The dangers of global warming are too incremental and not apparent, paradoxically until a tipping-point is reached and it's too late to do anything about it.<br /><br />Between a rock and a hard place...<br /><br /><br />"<i>Even if [extinction is a very real and distinct possibility] is true, it's too hyperbolic SOUNDING.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Agreed, but it's because the corporatist mainstream media is omissive, or even dismissive, in explaining the consequences. <br /><br />It's <i>so much more</i> than melting glaciers and rising ocean levels, yet it never broaches those very real probabilities. <br /><br /><br />"<i>Maybe there needs to be a focus on the less END OF DAYS rhetoric.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />Hedges has explained, repeatedly, that the corporate state is well on its way to driving the final nail into the coffin of our democratic republic. He also maintains that any chance of reviving our chances will ultimately be, and only be, accomplished through extensive and continuing civil disobedience.<br /><br />This is what I found particularly unique in Extinct Rebellion's strategic approach to protesting against a politically-entrenched system that chooses to ignore the warning signs. Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-87053004030921872812019-02-26T11:17:26.425-05:002019-02-26T11:17:26.425-05:00"The best strategy is getting people to under..."The best strategy is getting people to understand what is needed for the health and safety of their children and grandchildren." - DD<br /><br />Exactly. So adopting less hyperbolic rhetoric will help to achieve this understanding. Less The Day After Tomorrow, More food and water rationing. Less rhetoric that conjure images of action heroes running from tsunamis and more pictures of actual people in the Dust Bowl.<br /><br />"But we don't have a lot of time for regression and inaction either. Trumpism will either mark a turning point, or will be the point of no return."- DD<br /><br />Trumpism is many things, but mostly it's a rubberband effect of the Obama years and changing demographics. Mix with alleged foreign influence. However, Trumpism only capitalized on the already politicized nature of climate change. If the Venn Diagram of political "beliefs" between Donald Trump overlapped more with people who want to act on climate change, you know damn well, he'd pander to them. There's just not enough racism, "evangelicals", and contrarians on that side of the diagram, though.<br /><br />The greater question is why was Climate Change politicized in the first place? The old wedge issues aren't as sharp as they used to be, why was Climate Change relegated to being a wedge issue? The profit potential of attempting to dig out of that hole, EVEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT, is enormous. New infrastructure building, levy and flood mitigation technology, new car/airplane/vehicle construction opportunities, R&D Dollars towards carbon capturing/scrubbing, genetically modified food/plants/animals, water reclamation technology, waste treatment, Solar panels. Re: Solar panels - I can't think of a reason why solar panels aren't heavily encouraged on every new building/home built or tax credits to retrofit buildings with Solar-powered water heaters like I've seen on many houses in the Carribean. All I see are opportunities for dollar signs. Why does a certain flavor of the political spectrum hate capitalism so much?<br /><br />Instead of these conversations, we just have head in the sand responses, outright denial, or manufactured outrage over a certain freshman politician's attire.TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-6381289610483677182019-02-26T10:33:05.150-05:002019-02-26T10:33:05.150-05:00TB3,
Good point. Not only has global warming been...TB3,<br /><br />Good point. Not only has global warming been politicized, it has also been "religionized" to the extent millions are eagerly awaiting their Rapture, Four Horsemen, and other apocalyptic conclusions predicted within their belief systems. <br /><br />For those people, it's "bring it on" time. The few among them who might conclude it's not inevitable in their child's lifetime are not the ones on TV and in mega-churches. Armageddonists will welcome war, pestilence, famine, instability and chaos... in shit-hole countries, of course.<br /><br />Ignorance and fear always have a much louder voice than science and reason. Yearnings for Armageddon paired with the over-active amygdala of the authoritarian mind are not a good formula for a saner future. <br /><br />We already have enough nuclear weapons to bring about our self-extinction. Dr. Strangelove's mushroom clouds could still finish us off before catastrophic global warming. <br /><br />A volitional evolution of human consciousness and conscience is the only antidote to the certain chaos and eventual extinction of our species. The best strategy is getting people to understand what is needed for the health and safety of their children and grandchildren.<br /><br />This new enlightenment is not what our power structure wants.<br /><br />The ominous rise of corporatocracy and white nationalism is only taking us in the opposite direction. <br /><br />Maybe these dark times are a temporary setback and people will wake up to the danger. There are rays of hope. Bernie and younger politicians like AOC are the refreshing and vital voices we need for a saner and more compassionate future. <br /><br />But we don't have a lot of time for regression and inaction either. Trumpism will either mark a turning point, or will be the point of no return.<br /><br />It's up to us.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-75954952222744020772019-02-26T09:13:51.395-05:002019-02-26T09:13:51.395-05:00"The next, new, paradigm?..." - JG
It&#..."The next, new, paradigm?..." - JG<br /><br />It's always good to have high goals to reach for.<br /><br />"There are ways to meet these goals and objectives, but no doubt they'll require resolve and commitment." - JG<br /><br />And consensus and politics-proofing. It's all well and good to have resolve and commitment, but if a Green New Deal leaning Congress and President implement sweeping reforms, it shouldn't be easily nixed if Anti-Green New Deal politicians come into power. Unfortunately, Climate Change has been politicized. Look at some of the initiatives promoted and started during the Obama administration? Fuel emissions standards, Paris Climate Accord, Solar and Renewable Energy credits and incentives? Everything's been nixed or neutered because these things have been politicized and we have a thin-skinned President in office.<br /><br />"extinction is a very real and distinct possibility." - JG<br /><br />Whether this is true or not, using this kind of language isn't going to win over skeptics or deniers. Even if it is true, it's too hyperbolic SOUNDING. It's a theme in movies/books/tv. Maybe there needs to be a focus on the less END OF DAYS rhetoric. Especially considering there is a not-insignificant contingent of our fellow citizens that happily count down and wait for the events of Revelation.TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-13583909294942682382019-02-25T19:30:45.977-05:002019-02-25T19:30:45.977-05:00"I see nothing wrong with another organizatio..."<i>I see nothing wrong with another organization or group advocating action toward addressing climate change.</i>" ~~ <b>TB3</b><br /><br />I believe the climate crisis isn't just another fire to put out. Like the New Deal of the 1930s, the collective solutions will create totally different world outlooks and viewpoints. <br /><br />Something analogous to, or similar to, the Green New Deal may be the doorway or pathway to a totally different age.<br /><br />There are ways to meet these goals and objectives, but no doubt they'll require resolve and commitment.<br /><br />The next decade will be the tell-all. Either the old ways are phased out and replaced, or extinction is a very real and distinct possibility.<br /><br />We have a lot of turmoil to endure before we're out of the woods. That's a given.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-22027265343319229912019-02-25T17:50:22.543-05:002019-02-25T17:50:22.543-05:00"Extinction Rebellion raises one term, and su..."<i>Extinction Rebellion raises one term, and suggests another, that we understand and share: Sortition...</i>" ~~ <b>Dave Dubya</b><br /><br />Exactly, Dave, which is what caught my eye in the Hedges article:<br /><br />"<i>The optimal transition is going to be from the corrupted 'representational' model to a sortition model in the same way aristocratic law shifted to representational law at the end of the 17th and beginning of the 19th century.</i>"<br /><br />The next, new, paradigm?...Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-4742007326323294672019-02-25T16:42:48.688-05:002019-02-25T16:42:48.688-05:00Extinction Rebellion raises one term, and suggests...Extinction Rebellion raises one term, and suggests another, that we understand and share: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition" rel="nofollow">Sortition</a> and Gandhi’s <a href="http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/satyagraha.htm" rel="nofollow"> Satyagraha</a> Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-85410909732283707702019-02-25T14:36:12.043-05:002019-02-25T14:36:12.043-05:00I have never heard of that organization. After a ...I have never heard of that organization. After a quick google search, I am aware of them and their goals. I see nothing wrong with another organization or group advocating action toward addressing climate change.TB3https://www.blogger.com/profile/18261016141806763895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-86046649603669654032019-02-25T12:35:08.246-05:002019-02-25T12:35:08.246-05:00Dave, I assume you've read the latest Hedges a...Dave, I assume you've read the latest Hedges article. Check into the <i>Extinction Rebellion</i>. Read their many PDFs. <br /><br />Our last and final hope? Takes only 3.5% of the population to create change. (It only took 1% on their part to lead us down the current deadly path.) <br /><br />TB3, have you heard about this organization and its objectives? Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.com