tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post5728443117571798861..comments2024-03-18T17:42:24.279-04:00Comments on Dave Dubya's Freedom Rants: What Class Warfare?Dave Dubyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-88870139511958050002012-03-27T16:02:26.750-04:002012-03-27T16:02:26.750-04:00And as for hippies, the only good hippies is a dea...<i>And as for hippies, the only good hippies is a dead hippie.</i><br /><br />So this is the first thing I read when I go to read the comments. At least I see that this "free" person is a murderous sociopath and I therefore do not have to listen to a single thing he has to say... well, THAT was easy! <br /><br />I guess with all the millions of people who still identify as hippies, he is talking mass murder on a very large scale? But I see he likes Ayn Rand, so this should not shock me. Amoral sociopaths tend to like other amoral sociopaths, birds of a feather, etc.Daisy Deadheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17993200276152025235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-40500134782586811062012-01-24T19:58:07.967-05:002012-01-24T19:58:07.967-05:00And oh yeah, the 1970s, that decade known for econ...And oh yeah, the 1970s, that decade known for economic prosperity, plentiful jobs, controlled inflation, good leadership, and great fashion and music taste! Oh wait, the opposite of all that. If you want to go back to that, no thanks.<br /><br />And as for hippies, the only good hippies is a dead hippie.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-43079329371006227012012-01-24T19:55:44.772-05:002012-01-24T19:55:44.772-05:00So yes, you don’t dispute the poor in more civiliz...<i>So yes, you don’t dispute the poor in more civilized countries have better health care than here. </i><br /><br />I got to experience them directly. I wouldn't trade. I have government health care right now, at the Army hospital system. The one that would lead in malpractice if it could be sued (it can't) and has record cost over runs yearly. I'd love to have my old corporate insurance back.<br /><br />And you can cry, cry, cry all day and all night about how rich people don't want to share their money with you. They don't care. They'll give your job to a Chinese and you can eat garbage in the street. They do NOT give a fuck. Then you can smugly starve to death.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-47687584042150887132012-01-21T11:07:26.329-05:002012-01-21T11:07:26.329-05:00Just finished re reading this thread.
The un-answ...Just finished re reading this thread.<br /><br />The un-answered questions with in are, do we raise taxes or cut spending. I say both!<br /><br />We "allow" the close to 50% of Americans who now pay NO Federal Income Tax to "contribute" $100 a year every April 15th to the IRS.<br />We cut non-entitlement spending by same amount as contributed. <br /><br />ALL other Federal Budgets are rolled back to 2009 levels with NO increase allowed for 5 years in any budget other that COLA adjustments for S.S. and veteran benefits. Federal Employee's wages will not be increase for 5 years except COLA, or until the average wage of the private sector employee catches up with the public sector employee, which ever comes first. This includes all Dept heads, Cabinet members, Congressional and Senate Staffers, Czars. <br /><br />All Federal Tax rates are frozen at 2008 rates. All modifications to the tax codes as purposed by the Joint Committee on Taxation are tabled until 2017. With this exception. The amount of a charitable contribution made can be deducted from the tax owed at 150% its actual amount. IE: $1000 given is equal to a deduction off your taxes of $1500. This applies to corporations, business and individuals equally.<br /><br />OK, start tearing it apart, but remember the title of this thread is "What class warfare".Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-2149723454599939832012-01-21T10:37:40.123-05:002012-01-21T10:37:40.123-05:00Dave the Libtard,
You have a toady for life, tha...Dave the Libtard,<br /><br />You have a toady for life, that funny coming from you, just ask Jefferson's Guardian!Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-88570427761062108992012-01-20T23:46:21.040-05:002012-01-20T23:46:21.040-05:00Free,
“If the Fascist fits...”
How protective of ...Free,<br />“If the Fascist fits...”<br /><br />How protective of you. You have a toady for life now that he has you to think for him and take care of him. By putting words together on his behalf he now has a voice without needing to copy and paste something. That boy needs help. You are so kind to rescue him. He will believe anything you say now, and follow you like puppy. <br /><br />You’re 33? Well that would make you the expert on the ‘70s, just as I suspected. I’m sure you had that decade all figured out and placed in historical context by the time you were 3. And everything you needed to know about the ‘60s is “Hippies bad, Vietnam War good”.<br /><br />Funny thing, I read Ayn Rand, and saw through her reptilian thinking, way before you were born. <br /><br />So yes, you don’t dispute the poor in more civilized countries have better health care than here. Getting that health care means they are doing “better than we are”. <br /><br /><i>”you liberals treated the people who own those jobs like shit</i><br /><br />Yes, that’s the stuff! This is the funny fantasy part where the poor, poor persecuted and oppressed millionaires and billionaires suffered inhuman brutalities under the jack-booted liberal tyrants. And it continues to this very day. LOL. It’s a good thing money is free speech, eh? Just give them a tiny little shred of hope, for mercy's sake. <br /><br />You are one funny guy, Free, often when you don’t intend to be.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-5499856960850508682012-01-20T21:47:04.920-05:002012-01-20T21:47:04.920-05:00If the Fascist fits...
It's funny to hear you...<i>If the Fascist fits...</i><br /><br />It's funny to hear you say that Dave because every time one of us say's something akin to <i>If the Commie fits</i> you cry like a 15 year old girl with period cramps.<br /><br />As for spending, it's simple. They get enough, way more than enough. No more, in fact less. Way less. Time government had to learn to live within a budget like the rest of us do every day.<br /><br /><i>You didn't exist during the '70s</i><br /><br />Yes I did, I'm 33 do math.<br /><br /><i>The poor in more civilized countries have better health care than here</i><br /><br />I've been to . In fact I'm not sure how many counties I've been to it's that many. France, England and Germany aren't doing better than we are so I'm pretty sure we've got Angola beat.<br /><br /><i>They'd be better off and need less government aid too, if your "Atlas" didn't off-shore all those jobs.</i><br /><br />Maybe so, but you liberals treated the people who own those jobs like shit so they took them away and gave them to Chinese people because they don't bitch and whine about having the highest standard of living in the world and demand more of it for free every day with the job owner's money. Are you catching on to how this works yet?free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-48479394778738530552012-01-20T10:27:50.116-05:002012-01-20T10:27:50.116-05:00Heathen,
Those are all very good points, but, yo...Heathen, <br /><br />Those are all very good points, but, you left one thing out of the equation: <br /><br />Spending Problem: <br /><br />Spending more money than you have on things you don't need. <br /><br />Revenue Problem: <br /><br />Not having enough revenue to cover the cost of the things you do need. <br /><br />In reality, we probably have both a spending problem and a revenue problem, but I think the revenue problem is worse. We should cut wasteful spending as much as possible, but we should not deny those who are in dire need what they need. To do that would be to misinterpret a revenue problem as a spending problem. <br /><br />I hope to God you don't respond, because I don't have time today to deal with your response.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-51570710065841065522012-01-20T01:31:15.382-05:002012-01-20T01:31:15.382-05:00No. The budget deficit goes down by a dollar, but...No. The budget deficit goes down by a dollar, but the debt goes UP by nine dollars. All that has happened is that the debt goes up slower but it still goes up.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-318980477786115592012-01-20T00:58:47.048-05:002012-01-20T00:58:47.048-05:00Right, the deficit (and consequently the debt) goe...Right, the deficit (and consequently the debt) goes down a dollar more than it would have otherwise. Just as I said.Eric Norenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648635662703229678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-32438282583606714532012-01-20T00:42:26.757-05:002012-01-20T00:42:26.757-05:00If the budget deficit is $10 and the revenue is in...If the budget deficit is $10 and the revenue is increased by $1, the the budget deficit will be $9. That means the debt will increase by $9 instead of $10 , but it will still increase.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-18214072065657229322012-01-20T00:17:27.371-05:002012-01-20T00:17:27.371-05:00"That's only true if you are starting fro...<i>"That's only true if you are starting from the point of a balanced budget."</i><br /><br />Not at all. Even with an imbalanced budget, $1 increase in tax revenue can be applied to reducing the debt; $1 in spending reduction can be applied to reducing the debt. No balanced budget required.<br /><br /><i>"The debt will only decrease if some combination (and one can be zero) of spending decrease and revenue increase is greater than the budget deficit."</i><br /><br />I'm glad we agree. So I assume you're willing to agree to some real spending reductions, right? Unfortunately, no Democrat in congress today is willing to do so. One might call them obstinate in the same way Republicans won't agree to increase taxes.Eric Norenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648635662703229678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-55180014473930149072012-01-20T00:10:16.800-05:002012-01-20T00:10:16.800-05:00HR,
That's only true if you are starting from ...HR,<br />That's only true if you are starting from the point of a balanced budget. The debt will only decrease if some combination (and one can be zero) of spending decrease and revenue increase is greater than the budget deficit.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-86472257734362646552012-01-19T23:18:45.910-05:002012-01-19T23:18:45.910-05:00"Spending and tax cuts raise the debt, as doe...<i>"Spending and tax cuts raise the debt, as does refusal to raise taxes when needed."</i><br /><br />John, I can't help but notice that you intentionally left something out of your equation.<br /><br />You acknowledge the debt has inputs (taxes) and outputs (spending). Yet you only acknowledge that refusing to raise taxes reduces debt, when refusing to cut spending does the same.<br /><br />There are two factors to consider with the national debt, the inputs and the outputs. You can increase the input, you can decrease the output, or you can do both. Both would solve the debt problem the fastest, but if we were to choose only one then decreasing the output would be best.<br /><br />We can increase revenue but, if spending doesn't slow down, all the extra income gets spent. On the other hand, if we decrease spending, even if we get no more income, the debt will start to disappear.Eric Norenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648635662703229678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-84909062907263532742012-01-19T23:00:40.792-05:002012-01-19T23:00:40.792-05:00"The Bush tax cuts have been raising the debt...<i>"The Bush tax cuts have been raising the debt"<br /><br />LIE<br /><br />Its the spending that has been raising the debt.<br /><br /></i> <br /><br />I mean this in the most polite way possible: <br /><br />Spending and tax cuts raise the debt, as does refusal to raise taxes when needed.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-8780397017733157622012-01-19T21:26:18.413-05:002012-01-19T21:26:18.413-05:00If the Libtard fits....,
What is it again that yo...If the Libtard fits....,<br /><br />What is it again that you DON'T like about socialism? I missed your answer the first time I asked you that?<br /><br />What you running from dave?Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-18312702168643392102012-01-19T21:06:21.892-05:002012-01-19T21:06:21.892-05:00If the Fascist fits...If the Fascist fits...Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-33688516351718251322012-01-19T20:11:18.750-05:002012-01-19T20:11:18.750-05:00Gee Dave,
In guess you sure told me...
Still wai...Gee Dave,<br /><br />In guess you sure told me...<br /><br />Still waiting for you to answer my one question, "what don't you like about socialism?"<br /><br />Now that you have called me "Just the Fascist" can I use the term Libtard? Or are you going to get mad again and remove my posts?<br /><br />Just wondering.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-68619292926803228042012-01-19T19:23:16.972-05:002012-01-19T19:23:16.972-05:00Just the FOX(R),
YOU dumped that article. I don...Just the FOX(R),<br />YOU dumped that article. I don't have to jump to your demands as a result of your trolling behavior. <br /><br />YOU still have not answered ONE question from this thread. YOU are a hypocrite.<br /><br />You've shown yourself to be the autocratic type of hypocrite now, a regular Just the Fascist.<br /><br />YOU are the one cowardly running from reality and truth. Why don't you keep on running?<br /><br />We owe you nothing.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-39042628815743391602012-01-19T19:11:03.363-05:002012-01-19T19:11:03.363-05:00"My beliefs hold the notion that a wealthy pe..."My beliefs hold the notion that a wealthy person owes something to the society that allowed and nurtured an environment where they could prosper. We are our brothers keeper." <br /> <br />Well Dave, that's what's happening now with close to 50% of Americans paying no Federal Income Tax, while the rest are picking up the tab. Sounds fair to me. <br />We have the largest number of Americans receiving, what used to be called Food Stamps, in our history. We have extended unemployment benefits to the greatest number of weeks ever.<br /> <br />Sounds like our brothers are being taken care of by the wealthy, just as you beleive they should be pretty good already. Or is there more?<br /><br />BTW, why am I not surprised to see you run from asking Dr. Folsom your questions?Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-81126047125844148702012-01-19T18:49:49.856-05:002012-01-19T18:49:49.856-05:00OK free. Here's your chance. What would you ...OK free. Here's your chance. What would you cut to get that 65% reduction?Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-23441209291544124892012-01-19T18:10:22.652-05:002012-01-19T18:10:22.652-05:00Free,
You didn't exist during the '70s, bu...Free,<br />You didn't exist during the '70s, but I suppose that doesn't make you less an expert.<br /><br />More Americans have relatively less income than back then. The poor in more civilized countries have better health care than here.<br /><br />If the poor have a car they pay taxes every time they buy gas. They pay sales taxes at a higher percentage of their income than the rest of us do.<br /><br />They pay taxes for Social Security and Medicare, even with a minimum pay job.<br /><br />They'd be better off and need less government aid too, if your "Atlas" didn't off-shore all those jobs.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-52011611249909102922012-01-19T17:55:43.278-05:002012-01-19T17:55:43.278-05:00when you have less money to pay for them.
They al...<i>when you have less money to pay for them.</i><br /><br />They already take nearly 2 trillion out of us a year (not to mention the borrowing)<br /><br />They get enough in government. Time to cut. I'd like to see spending cut at least 65%.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-8817081089114916972012-01-19T17:54:16.054-05:002012-01-19T17:54:16.054-05:00The poor have gained over the past ten years while...<i>The poor have gained over the past ten years while taxes have been at record lows? On what planet? </i><br /><br />On every metric I can think of "the poor" are doing better than they were in the 1970s. Our "poor" have running water, a house, flat screen tv and likely a car. And they don't pay taxes.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-45275485169180165602012-01-19T17:49:39.331-05:002012-01-19T17:49:39.331-05:00Anonymous,
You are brainwashed. Both spending and ...Anonymous,<br />You are brainwashed. Both spending and removing revenue exacerbate debt. <br /><br />See what happens to your debts when you have less money to pay for them.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.com