tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post4220468053620529952..comments2024-03-18T17:42:24.279-04:00Comments on Dave Dubya's Freedom Rants: Obama's "Brown Shirts"Dave Dubyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comBlogger107125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-16242995858439698382011-08-26T12:25:13.337-04:002011-08-26T12:25:13.337-04:00Dave, maybe it's word verification time...agai...<b>Dave</b>, maybe it's word verification time...again.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-55443897428097804932011-08-26T10:39:06.009-04:002011-08-26T10:39:06.009-04:00Just The FOX(R),
You just don't get it. Answer...Just The FOX(R),<br />You just don't get it. Answering your questions will not help you get it. It would be like explaining a joke to someone without a sense of humor. My point is clear enough to anyone not indoctrinated and blinded by the simplistic beliefs of the radical Right.<br /><br />Sorry I can't help you. Only an open mind will do it for you.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-45335154505771168312011-08-26T00:02:20.436-04:002011-08-26T00:02:20.436-04:00"I can see how Big Oil serves the government ..."I can see how Big Oil serves the government by taking all those subsidies and tax breaks" <br />What do you think they do with the money from all those big tax breaks?<br /><br />"I can see GE and other major corporations paying no taxes at all because the government owns them."<br />And what's your point, it's the current liberal administration who is doing this.<br /><br />"And woe to the frail and struggling Insurance companies." <br />Deregulate them and allow the consumer to buy across state lines and we will see how much insurance companies rates drop.<br /><br />"And for simplicity’s sake, we can report Wall Street is now under the total control of Obama."<br />If not under Obama's control certainly under his influence, not how stocks dropped when he spoke twp weeks ago?<br />BTW, isn't if odd how the current liberal administration is now running the home mortgage lending industry and the student loan industry. How health care will be a govt. enterprise by 2015 unless a changes stops it in 2012? <br /><br />But for simplicity sake, lets ignore that and focus on the EVIL RICH WHO ARE NOT PAYING ENOUGH TAXES..<br /><br />So my questions dear Sir. will you know answer them?<br /><br />If govt creates wealth, why then is there the need for private companies?Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-91503616608001989402011-08-25T21:40:39.551-04:002011-08-25T21:40:39.551-04:00Just The FOX(R),
Oh, to see the world from such sw...Just The FOX(R),<br />Oh, to see the world from such sweet simplicity... No wonder you’re convinced you’re right about everything. It’s so simple. Only a stupid liberal could fail to understand. Thanks for the lesson. <br /><br />So for simplicity’s sake, I can see how Big Oil serves the government by taking all those subsidies and tax breaks. I can see GE and other major corporations paying no taxes at all because the government owns them. Yes I can. I can also see how pharmaceutical companies suffer under the boot heel of Big Government by their lobbyists writing legislation that prohibits Medicare price negotiations. And woe to the frail and struggling Insurance companies. Whatever shall they do for all the money flowing into them, thanks to a corporate friendly health care law? <br /><br />And for simplicity’s sake, we can report Wall Street is now under the total control of Obama. Yes, I can see this. The bailouts have allowed Obama to write restrictive regulations for Wall Street, put an end to “too big to fail” banks, fire and jail everybody responsible for the ’08 collapse, and above all, make sure nobody got those huge bonuses to flaunt in the taxpayers’ faces for being suckers for the Great Scam. <br /><br />Yeah, I can see all this, if I keep hitting my head with a baseball bat long enough.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-29638791095767586912011-08-25T19:41:38.431-04:002011-08-25T19:41:38.431-04:00Govt is made up of people and takes away wealth fr...Govt is made up of people and takes away wealth from those who have wealth, companies create wealth for the people who make them up the company. IE: employees, stock holders, owners.<br />Govt takes from those just listed and gives to it's people while not creating any wealth for those who work for it.<br /><br />There's the big difference.<br /><br />If govt creates wealth, why then is there the need for private companies? <br /><br />JG you said ". The term "corporate-state" implies an implicit ownership of government and all its workings -- and becoming more explicit all the time." <br /><br />I see this happening as a result of govt. regulations of corporations, and govt lending money to corporations, which results, whether it was meant to or not, in control the business of the corporations by govt. I do not see this happening as the result of free market conservative capitalism.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-19119912002207225902011-08-25T19:10:12.747-04:002011-08-25T19:10:12.747-04:00free0352, you responded with...
"No, you'...<b>free0352</b>, you responded with...<br /><br />"<i>No, you're not grasping something. Companies are controlled by PEOPLE. They are not faceless Borg from Star Trek.</i>"<br /><br />Using your same [il]logical premise, <i>so is</i> government. <br /><br />What's your fucking point?Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-62214369367185919012011-08-25T17:02:25.167-04:002011-08-25T17:02:25.167-04:00That's the connection you seem to have the mos...<i>That's the connection you seem to have the most trouble wrapping your head around.</i><br /><br />No, you're not grasping something. Companies are controlled by PEOPLE. They are not faceless Borg from Star Trek.<br /><br />You're just peeved because they happen to often be people you don't like.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-74672217333336239762011-08-25T16:50:47.184-04:002011-08-25T16:50:47.184-04:00Gee Weasledog
You mean it was not GW Bush's ...Gee Weasledog<br /><br /><br />You mean it was not GW Bush's fault? But Obama's fault?<br /><br />How has this effected Fanny and Freedy Mae?Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-37899922792452801542011-08-25T14:07:01.710-04:002011-08-25T14:07:01.710-04:00T.Paine Here are some articles that explain how th...T.Paine Here are some articles that explain how the banks continue to 'earn' essentially free money.<br /><br />The scam is simple.<br /><br />The banks borrow money from the Fed at nearly 0% interest. The taxpayer guarantees the loan. The bank then loans the money to the US Gov at a higher interest rate.<br /><br />Previously, the US Gov borrowed directly from the Federal Reserve, but now the banks have been shimmed in.<br /><br />Of course you could argue that they are making money by performing a service. A service that isn't needed, provides no value, and shifts the burden of repayment directly to the taxpayer.<br /><br />T.Paine, I know that it's impossible to change your mind about this. No amount of evidence or proof can do that. But here are a few articles on the topic. I've tried to avoid using sources that might be interpreted as left leaning liberal.<br /><br />http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/01/12/the-subsidy-that-won-t-die.html<br /><br />http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fed-does-it-again-80-billion-secretive-bank-subsidy-program-uncovered-providing-bank-loans-0<br /><br />http://www.zerohedge.com/article/no-big-banks-have-not-paid-back-government-bailouts-and-subsidiesWeaseldoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12657976442272800800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-58156205675899700402011-08-25T13:40:17.042-04:002011-08-25T13:40:17.042-04:00T.Paine and Obama fully support the bankers keepin...T.Paine and Obama fully support the bankers keeping all of the money they've earned in the subprime crisis.<br /><br />http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/obama-goes-all-out-for-dirty-banker-deal-20110824Weaseldoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12657976442272800800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-80238211102591114392011-08-25T07:57:15.763-04:002011-08-25T07:57:15.763-04:00JM,
Sir,
The honor is ALWAYS mine, when I am in...JM,<br /><br />Sir, <br /><br />The honor is ALWAYS mine, when I am in a discussion with you. You command my complete respect.<br /><br />Thank you.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-10102969515272631352011-08-24T21:49:04.411-04:002011-08-24T21:49:04.411-04:00Just,
"Dictionary.com: a system of social ...Just, <br /><br /><br /><i>"Dictionary.com: a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party."<br /><br />So if you are a Federal employee, what part of the above does not apply to you?</i> <br /><br />This is not a totalitarian state dominated by a single individual. <br /><br />Also, I am not the only one helping you with some of the harder terms. A bunch of us replied, so you don't need to give me preferential treatment, although I am honored that you picked me, sir.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-20433395389279615122011-08-24T21:24:39.685-04:002011-08-24T21:24:39.685-04:00I loved the post - but keep coming for more. Did t...I loved the post - but keep coming for more. Did the brown shirts get you?VJhttp://threeamigostotheleft.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-70112678442054081022011-08-24T20:33:44.298-04:002011-08-24T20:33:44.298-04:00"Dictionary.com: a system of social organizat..."Dictionary.com: a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party."<br /><br />So if you are a Federal employee, what part of the above does not apply to you?<br /><br />BTW, what was defined above sounds a lot like a city who has been run by the democratic party for 50 years plus, like Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago.Just the Facts!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-13656113316168467592011-08-24T19:58:11.615-04:002011-08-24T19:58:11.615-04:00free0352, you replied with...
"I've neve...<b>free0352</b>, you replied with...<br /><br />"<i>I've never suggested otherwise that corporations have a stake in our government.</i>"<br /><br />Maybe, but I'm really not so sure. <br /><br />Nonetheless, it's more than "<i>a stake</i>" that liberals (and increasingly, Americans <i>of all</i> political persuasions) are concerned about. The term "corporate-state" implies an implicit <i>ownership</i> of government and all its workings -- and becoming more <i>explicit</i> all the time.<br /><br /><i>That's</i> the connection you seem to have the most trouble wrapping your head around.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-6555222280202561122011-08-24T13:14:07.499-04:002011-08-24T13:14:07.499-04:00I think it's starting to sink in for you.
I&#...<i>I think it's starting to sink in for you.</i><br /><br />I've never suggested otherwise that corporations have a stake in our government.<br /><br />We just disagree about what to do about it.<br /><br />Liberals are fine with subsidizing companies that make solar panels or electric cars, but GOD FORBID they buy tanks!free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-39050028623129652052011-08-23T19:52:54.946-04:002011-08-23T19:52:54.946-04:00Anonymous, or "P" for short,
"No&q...Anonymous, or "P" for short,<br /><br />"No" about what? Not the same "gubmint"... but the same corporatocracy?<br /><br />No reality for you!<br /><br />I only bother with one response per troll or anonymous comment.<br /><br />You'll have to come up with a better name or identity if you want more attention. Be clever. We have no respect for unimaginative cowardly lurkers. Try Publius again. If the comment is relevant to the topic, we can all share your lame points, like my "crossed wires".Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-64378234480423505712011-08-23T19:21:26.385-04:002011-08-23T19:21:26.385-04:00"Free,
Eisenhower initially used the term mil..."Free,<br />Eisenhower initially used the term military-industrial-congressional complex. He apparently modified his final draft for some reason or another. We know how politicians avoid speaking certain truths."<br /><br />No Dave W. you have your wires crossed. The Military Industrial Complex and the Government Industrial Complex, where the gubmint tries to pick winners and losers, are not the same.<br /><br />no soup for you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-3094840805322989732011-08-23T15:40:11.795-04:002011-08-23T15:40:11.795-04:00Free0352, you said...
"Government Industrial...<b>Free0352</b>, you said...<br /><br />"<i>Government Industrial Complex.<br /><br />LoL, that's fucking hilarious! And so TRUE!</i>"<br /><br />I'm curious. Why the sudden epiphany when Publius coins the term "Government-Industrial-Complex", but when I (or Dave, or any "liberal") use the term "corporate-state" to describe the cozy relationship that has developed between big business and government, it's met with ridicule and scorn?<br /><br />I <i>think</i> it's starting to sink in for you.Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-47894400948441946762011-08-23T15:11:17.134-04:002011-08-23T15:11:17.134-04:00Tom,
We know the Tea Cult is not going anywhere. T...Tom,<br />We know the Tea Cult is not going anywhere. They are Republicans and have always been around. They just needed some cover because the Bush League tarnished the Republican Party. Now that Obama has been obsructed and demonized they can go back to waving their "Greedy Old Plutocrats", I mean GOP, flag.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-57809901181944150982011-08-23T14:06:42.662-04:002011-08-23T14:06:42.662-04:00Heathen said in regards to the Tea Party diminishi...Heathen said in regards to the Tea Party diminishing, <br /><br />"Fun while it lasted."<br /><br />Thanks to the Tea Party for wrecking the political and economic stability of the country.<br /><br />Now, back to your mansions and fat bank accounts, no matter what happens to the country because of your fun dabbling in national affairs.<br />Tea Partiers remind me of the rich housewife who is not concerned, or cares, or even knows who and what it takes to pay the bills she racks up.<br />Of course, she has spent her children's inheritance, and is totally unaware of the damage she has causedTOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-3423799634392509962011-08-23T11:00:10.979-04:002011-08-23T11:00:10.979-04:00John, your sarcasm wasn't lost on me. ;-)John, your sarcasm wasn't lost on me. <b><i>;-)</i></b>Jefferson's Guardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950868026721859555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-18752508286081199082011-08-22T19:29:16.018-04:002011-08-22T19:29:16.018-04:00"We're going to keep increasing welfare q..."We're going to keep increasing welfare queen subsidies for the rich. There is no way away around it. So cuts have to be made everywhere else."<br /><br />Weasel, even if that nonsense was true... and it is not, your mindset is still quite telling.<br /><br />Letting people, even the evil rich, keep more of THEIR own money that they earned is considered a subsidy to you and many on the left. Interesting...Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-8346412192340282612011-08-22T17:00:21.452-04:002011-08-22T17:00:21.452-04:00Weaseldog
Please if Communism is soooo wonderful...<i> Weaseldog </i><br /><br />Please if Communism is soooo wonderful explain the following.<br /><br />U.S.S.R, Eastern Europe, Cuba, Burma, Vietnam, North Korea?<br /><br />Yeah, you wouldn't live there. Nobody would by choice. Communism is misery, it killed 3 times as many people as Hitler, including plenty of my family members (I'm part Cuban and Czech and have family in both countries.)<br /><br />I double dare you to go check out what it's like to live in China... and I don't mean Hong Kong I mean fuck'n China. You'd piss your pants after two days.free0352https://www.blogger.com/profile/09930138880454672809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134372208798387606.post-44806749121903951882011-08-22T15:21:58.628-04:002011-08-22T15:21:58.628-04:00Wease,
The Right would be happy with Capitalistic ...Wease,<br />The Right would be happy with Capitalistic Government. It is their wet dream of a government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.<br /><br />But as long as we have any vestiges of a government of the people, by the people and for the people, they will be whining, and ignorantly crying about communism and socialism. As seen above.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.com