Monday, March 30, 2026

Keeping Score

 


How many times have Trump and his Iran War supporters lectured us about the “thousands of Americans killed by Iran”? How many still believe Trump when he keeps saying, “We won this war!”?

I’ve lost count on both questions, but “thousands of Americans killed by Iran” sounds like a great reason go to war with them, though.

Lets’ leave Israel and Netanyahu out of the discussion for moment, even though they goaded Trump into joining their war.

One Trumpist gloated in a previous comment thread.

The “Colonel”: We are doing something that NO OTHER AMERICAN PRESIDENT HAD THE BALLS TO DO.

IRAN has been killing OUR SOLDIERS, and our Citizens for 47 years. TRUMP is Finally ENDING THAT CRAP.

He’s echoing Trump, of course. No other president worked for Netanyahu and Putin either. Putin thanks him for HUGE oil profits, and Netanyahu thanks him for fighting his war for him.

Trump is doing EXACTLY what he promised NOT to do and what George W. Bush did. They BOTH started wars of choice in their acts of aggression in the Middle East. 

The White House posted a long list of Americans killed by “Iran” titled, “The Iranian Regime’s Decades of Terrorism Against American Citizens”.

“For nearly half a century, the Islamic Republic of Iran — the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism — has killed and maimed American citizens and service members through its own forces and proxy militias. More Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth.”

Note the inclusion of “proxy militias”. Very few were direct actions by Iran’s “own forces” against Americans. Almost all the cases of Americans being killed were preceded by “Iran-backed”, or “affiliated” entities.

I asked the colonel a few rhetorical questions. I mean “rhetorical” in the sense no answers are expected. Trump supporters HATE answering questions.

What kind of colonel thinks starting a war will end killing? A MAGA "colonel".

How many American children has Iran killed? None. We killed Iranian children without so much as an apology. (Retired intelligence officer Captain Josephine Guilbeau explained how the cameras on the Tomahawk missiles would indicate their target was a school. But they launched another one instead of confirming the target. She calls it terrorism, and she's correct by definition.)

How many American soldiers were killed by Iran?

Now we’re getting to the question at hand. Let’s look at some facts and historical context

The answer is very few directly, but by their Arab allies in Lebanon and Iraq. 

Reagan put Marines in harm's way with no military objective and they were killed by an “Iran-backed” suicide bomber. 

After Bush LIED about WMD’s and Saddam working with al-Qaeda HE STARTED the Iraq war. We have no way of knowing how many Americans were killed by Iranians in Iraq. We know they were invited to assist in resisting the American occupiers. This was all due to US aggression. Americans seem to have forgotten that the guy who starts wars of choice is the guy to blame for the deaths and destruction.

Bottom line: Excluding Afghanistan where Iran wasn’t a participant, all those Americans died because of misguided or dishonest actions by US presidents. The American deaths number in the thousands.

What kind of colonel can't see this pattern?

So, let’s look at the body count.

Thousands of American troops were killed by Iraqis, many with Iranian help. Obviously, not all of the thousands of casualties were inflicted by Iranians or proxies, but let’s count them anyway, just for argument’s sake.

If "Iran-backed" entities count, then US-backed Israel and US-backed Iraq have slaughtered HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Arabs and Iranians in Iran, Gaza, Lebanon, and in Israel. The body count from Trump's war is already in the thousands in Iran.

How’s that for perspective?

Hundreds of thousands of Iranians were killed by America-backed Iraq alone.

From AI:

During the 1980–1988 Iran-Iraq War, the United States provided significant covert and overt support to Iraq, including billions in economic aid, intelligence, and dual-use technology, to prevent an Iranian victory. This included intelligence sharing, over $200 million in direct arms sales (like helicopters), and allowing the sale of chemical/biological weapon precursors.

This all came back to bite us. Iraq and Iran were terrible regimes, but the US is definitely not the good guy in the Middle East. Only the peace activists are the good guys. Israel, Iran, and the US are not among them.

“When you get into trouble 5,000 miles from home, you've got to have been looking for it.” ~ Will Rogers

 

THAT's the crap that needs to end, or we're looking at MORE AMERICANS getting killed by terrorists.


22 comments:

  1. American aggression is used (mistakenly) to facilitate and support the MIC and the American Empire which was born on the heels of WW II. And as for Israel, a western plant right into the middle of the people THEY hate and wish to kill. A certain recipe for what the world is experiencing right now. Today. In the present moment.

    And the ignorant moron trump willingly jump right in breaking his very own promise to end wars. Not start them.

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  2. So here's a little inconvenient truth...

    The MAGA folks are correct. Iran HAS been a thorn in the side of millions of people around the world sine 1979, maybe earlier.

    They HAVE supported and encouraged terrorism for decades.

    They HATE Israel and refuse to acknowledge their right to exist.

    Many Middle Eastern leaders are not sad about Iran getting bombed.

    But...

    We had no plan. We have no plan. We have no objective beyond bombing. We have no plan for peace. The American people were not brought on board. The American people do not want US ground troops in Iran. The American people do not want higher gas prices and...

    The majority of Americans do not trust POTUS Trump to be honest with us and to chart an effective military plan to now, get us out of Iran and restore peace.

    Finally... not a single one of our trolls will even address any of the above, or be able to comprehend or perhaps even read it.

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  3. I really do not care that Iran has been nasty, so has Israel and the USA. Isreal because they are assholes who have no problem with genocide and the USA for supporting their genocide. It's past time Isreal and the USA clean up their own shitty acts before expecting others to comply with any of their wishes.

    I have zero patience for the absolute bullshit the Butcher Netanyahu and his Zionist state have spread for over 30 years. Nor do I have patience for the bullshit this nation had spread in support of Israel's bullshit.

    The two greatest dangers at present to world peace and stability? Isreal and the USA. NOT Iran.

    Until that is realized the world and its present reality will continue to deteriorate. trump and Netanyahu are the two biggest assholes on the planet. Period. Full Stop.

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  4. Italy, making a righteous decision denies use of airbase for use in America's illegal unjustified war of choice with Iran.

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  5. Here's a sober and grim assessment of how Trump's war will go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcDxGveoplc
    America Is Trapped In This War — And There Is No Way Out (Professor Jiang Analysis)

    "Can America stop this war? Can it negotiate a ceasefire? Can it withdraw. Can it find a way out?
    The answer — when you look at it carefully — is deeply unsettling.
    America is trapped. It cannot go forward. It cannot go back."

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    My politically incorrect solution:

    Israel was formed by resolution 181 of the UN in August 1947 and became a nation in 1948.

    UN Resolution 181 has proven to be a tragic blunder that assured endless war. It became a path to hell paved with good intentions.

    Let's remove religion, "God's chosen people", WWII, and ancient history from the equation and deal with present realities.

    I propose Resolution 181 be rescinded or amended to let Palestine be Palestine, and to allow one of our deep red states be the new Jewish State, in addition to ending all weapons shipments to the rogue state of Israel.

    (It's still a better deal than the US ever gave to Native Americans.)

    We could finally make Washington DC the 50th state, so the flag would stay the same.

    Yes, I know it's impractical and nearly impossible, but so is peace in the Middle East.

    I'm open to any better idea...if there is one.

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    1. Essentially Dave, Washington DC is controlled in large part by the Zionist Lobby. Has been for years. So, I, for one, agree. Give Paletine back to its rightful owners, the Palestinians, and give Manhattan to the Zionists who are responsible for most of the problems in the ME.

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    2. And anon, Why do you hate America? That, Is the proper question.@9:23 PM.

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  6. Dave... some ppl are saying what is happening now in the Middle East is the beginning of WWIII. Maybe so, but if it is, here's the pertinent question...

    Where did the original spark come from?

    What will be remembered as the "Franz Ferdinand" moment?

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    1. Dave,
      Just as WWII had its roots in the WWI Armistice and Treaty of Versailles, UN Resolution 181 after WWII sparked endless war in the Middle East.
      US meddling in Iran by removing a democratically elected leader and replacing him with a dictator was the other spark.
      Instability, chaos and war have been constant since then.
      The chickens are coming home to roost.
      Now Trump is knocking at the door of WWIII. His actions will at minimum inspire more terrorism. We'll be lucky to get by with just a deep recession or depression.



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    2. Not to mention he also SAVED THE USA, and even the World for those Lunatics having a NUKE!
      You forgot to mention that , or did you?

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    3. Anonymous would also prefer not to mention Obama had an international agreement with inspectors that kept Iran from a nuclear weapon. They Trump tore it up.
      He forgot that, didn't he?

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  7. We the People got what we wanted when we voted for Donald Trump

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    1. Anonymous,
      So you're to blame for Trump insulting our allies and begging them for help, Trump's war he promised never to start, a dollar a gallon Trump war tax on gas, rising inflation, and an unstable market.
      Thanks a lot.

      We the people are fed up with his bullshit, chaos, and war

      Trump’s approval rate is FALLING.

      Combined polls Trump Approval Rating:
      Disapprove – 56.6%
      Approve – 39.9%

      https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

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    2. This war is the Zionist's plan, and has always been the plan of the Zionist state. To use the USA to fight its war of hate against the entire Muslim population of the ME. We have fronted for the Zionist's every since 1948. And the Zionists have played the US like a fiddle to accomplish the Zionist's desired and evil ends.

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  8. That's so funny Anon... you can't even define WHAT you wanted apart from President Trump.

    There's not a single policy or objective you can point to that represents what you want. You voted to be part of a group, a feeling, nothing more.

    Which means if you feel good, regardless of reality, you got what you want. It's as if your playing a game of Fish and got the threes you asked for.

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    1. And Trump Keep On Winning

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    2. Anonymous,
      Does it feel like winning to you when you're LOSING a dollar per gallon MORE at the gas pump?

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    3. Nice try Anon... I'll note you can't even define "winning" in your context.

      You, like the rest of your MAGA friends, are simply unable to put together a cogent argument for the Iran War. And by cogent, I mean an objective we hope to achieve with this war.

      I know you and your buddies want to see Iran's ass kicked and take joy in the beating they are sustaining. But what do you, or the US, hope to accomplish through this butt kicking.

      I mean, beyond the kicking itself.

      Come on man... you can do it.

      Give us a thoughtful response.

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    4. Dave,
      He won't answer you, but I'll tell you what it would be like.
      "Trump SAVED America from being NUKED by IRAN!! It would have happened TWO WEEKS AGO, like Trump said."

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  9. There is only the butchering objective of the Zionist state Isreal. A state born of hate, whose sustenance is hate, and if they have their way will bomb Iran back to the stone age, killing millions upon millions of Muslims..

    trump and Zionist Israel are sickening. They are the very personification of evil.

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  10. America has, up to now, owned the singular horrific achievement of being the only country to have used nuclear weapons on another country.

    Something we should be terribly ashamed of. We (trump and the Butcher from Israel) however have no problem projecting our evil on Iran. Who has never detonated a nuke. And never would. Unless driven to do so by the Butcher Netanyahu Zionist Isreal in an act of self defense.

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